My interesting philosophy...

[Tali]

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If we wanted to be eco-friendly, we'd stop getting new computers, laptops, tv sets, cell phones, etc. every 2-3 years. Manufacturing cheap, disposable and wasteful products has taken its toll on the environment. The amount of trash that's created from cheap imports is piling rather high. It wasn't too long ago that appliances, furniture and gadgets were used for decades and even passed down generations. Now everything is so cheap that it's not worth repairing when it breaks.

That was precisely my point
Because we have such tendencies, it'll be rough enough on him to try to live truly "eco-friendly" without even having to leave his home and go to unowned land.

If we take a look at modern society, animals have more rights than humans. In fact, domesticated animals are treated better than the sick, poor and elderly. I wouldn't mind being a dog for some bourgeois couple. Sitting around all day doing nothing and getting all the attention.

Not all of them. Every 10 seconds in America alone, an animal is being beaten or abused, with over 10 million each year being euthanized.

[KanadaHye]

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the danger about going to live outside of society and fend for oneself is tricky. because in our minds, this kind of social organization is what separates us from animals, including abiding by the laws of man instead of "the land". if you want to try a 'safer' min-version... try being truly eco-friendly. it's far more than just recycling - includes farming (though most start small scale).

If we wanted to be eco-friendly, we'd stop getting new computers, laptops, tv sets, cell phones, etc. every 2-3 years. Manufacturing cheap, disposable and wasteful products has taken its toll on the environment. The amount of trash that's created from cheap imports is piling rather high. It wasn't too long ago that appliances, furniture and gadgets were used for decades and even passed down generations. Now everything is so cheap that it's not worth repairing when it breaks.

If we take a look at modern society, animals have more rights than humans. In fact, domesticated animals are treated better than the sick, poor and elderly. I wouldn't mind being a dog for some bourgeois couple. Sitting around all day doing nothing and getting all the attention.

[Tali]

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If enough people did have the guts, and starting doing things the government didn't like, at some people it would create a large conflict, which as you said would lead to a resolution. But if we don't have the guts, there is no resolution to the things we complain about!

Well, i think i wasn't clear. government was created by people agreeing to letting go of doing whatever they want. in return, they were given protection and rights of their property. thus they created what is right vs wrong rules by which all must abide. By doing this, we started the trend that never ends: organized civilizations. we are now born into it.

the danger about going to live outside of society and fend for oneself is tricky. because in our minds, this kind of social organization is what separates us from animals, including abiding by the laws of man instead of "the land". if you want to try a 'safer' min-version... try being truly eco-friendly. it's far more than just recycling - includes farming (though most start small scale).

I don't understand, I know your philosophy is not an organized religion, I'm saying that by contrasting ourselves from organized religion, we are engaging in this us (non-organized religion people) vs. them (organized religion). Is that what you disagree on?

i do not disagree that there is the element of us vs them, but as Odar demonstrated for me, it's not non-organized vs organized - it's "God-believing" vs everyone else (organized or not).

[jgk3]

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Actually, historically speaking, if you start looking at the earliest signs of government... people willingly gave up their 'rights' to land and 'true freedom'. weird, right? here we are today, clamoring for it, when once upon a time -- we had it. now we're just born into it. Why did people give it up? b/c they wanted a better, organized world. no more "survival of the fittest" - no more losing our homes b/c we're weaker, or having endless feuds. we wanted clear, concise rules and consequences. but with that, we had to lose some things in order to gain. the main problem nowadays is: how FAR should government go in upholding what we asked of it?

You know, every time I complain in my house about lack of freedom, and not being able to live with the land, my mom says, "Go! No one's stopping you! If you want land, go to it!" And of course, I don't go to it, because I don't have the guts to leave my attachment to society :P I do want to be free with the land, but I can't make a rigid break from my current life, and the steps I'm taking towards living free with the land are in queue with the same list of other social responsibilities I've chosen to live with, though sometimes complain about.

If enough people did have the guts, and starting doing things the government didn't like, at some people it would create a large conflict, which as you said would lead to a resolution. But if we don't have the guts, there is no resolution to the things we complain about!

for once, and probably one of the very few times, i'll have to disagree with you. please note: my philosophy is not at all an organized religion... yet i have followers see why how carefully i stay away from the word "religion"?

I don't understand, I know your philosophy is not an organized religion, I'm saying that by contrasting ourselves from organized religion, we are engaging in this us (non-organized religion people) vs. them (organized religion). Is that what you disagree on?

Nope. To have resolution, you need conflict. Much alike how you need sorrow to know happiness, hate to know love. it's always paired - this idea of balance; "give and take."

I agree

You can always apologize to the poor insects instead of denying

Sounds a lot like Canada's Indian Affairs policy! Mow the grass whenever it needs to be cut and pull out troublesome weeds, and make a ritualistic "sorry"!

[Tali]

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Government is not God, the only reason they own us is because of the atrocities that were committed in the past (and still occurring in many parts of the world today) taking away our rights to land and true freedom. When we learn to tolerate and respect each other and share everything that God has given to us, then and only then will we realize just what a wonderful world it really is.

Actually, historically speaking, if you start looking at the earliest signs of government... people willingly gave up their 'rights' to land and 'true freedom'. weird, right? here we are today, clamoring for it, when once upon a time -- we had it. now we're just born into it. Why did people give it up? b/c they wanted a better, organized world. no more "survival of the fittest" - no more losing our homes b/c we're weaker, or having endless feuds. we wanted clear, concise rules and consequences. but with that, we had to lose some things in order to gain. the main problem nowadays is: how FAR should government go in upholding what we asked of it?

Then the various religions/sects themselves should stop claiming each one of them to be the ONLY way to interpret God's "will".

well, that statement is exactly what i'm referring to. there are many (even major) religions that are not about your God's will in any variance-- as there are far more nonbelievers than believers in his existence anyway. even those that are in agreement, differ.

we're victims of the same basic human syndrome of us vs them too, look how we're singling out organized religion.

for once, and probably one of the very few times, i'll have to disagree with you. please note: my philosophy is not at all an organized religion... yet i have followers see why how carefully i stay away from the word "religion"?

So the question remains, can the world exist without conflict?

Nope. To have resolution, you need conflict. Much alike how you need sorrow to know happiness, hate to know love. it's always paired - this idea of balance; "give and take."

[Odar]

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I don't think so - basically for the same reasons why we cannot attain perfection - although as humans we should all strive to reduce "improductive" conflict. I say improductive for the only struggle we should fight is against ignorance and prejudice, within us as well as without.

I dunno, if I feel like mowing my lawn, and there are sentient insects crawling in it happily eating and following eachother...

You can always apologize to the poor insects instead of denying

[jgk3]

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So the question remains, can the world exist without conflict?

I dunno, if I feel like mowing my lawn, and there are sentient insects crawling in it happily eating and following eachother...

[KanadaHye]

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So the question remains, can the world exist without conflict?

[jgk3]

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we're victims of the same basic human syndrome of us vs them too, look how we're singling out organized religion.

[Odar]

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Then the various religions/sects themselves should stop claiming each one of them to be the ONLY way to interpret God's "will". Enlightened individuals have understood that throughout the ages but the majority of people, even when they're not particularly devout, can still be easily manipulated into a "us vs. them" mindset by the religious élites (written right after watching the movie "Agorà").