Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

[londontsi]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

I met with the Katolikoc ......... He isnt all holy and all that but a very smart man and a good administrator.

Is this your judgment or somebody told you this.

[londontsi]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

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...... the Katolikoc ....... He isnt all holy and all that but a very smart man and a good administrator.

If your doctor said to you “I am not much of a doctor but, I am very smart and a good administrator “
would you let him do an operation on you?


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[Serjik]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

I know what you are saying bro, like I wouldn't trust him around my sister LOL But you know what he is a very good administrator and that is what we need not a saint. we were given a tour of all the building he had built and all the churches and schools for priests and seminaries. He is pushing for more church presence in television programs and army which is a GREAT thing. Have you seen our priests with camouflage robes? Awesome! he also has the western cults in check. We met him he is very charismatic, he impressed all of us. Look at it this way bro, a hospital administrator doesnt have to be a doktor to be effective. Besides I ain't going to him for my checkups LOL

.If your doctor said to you “I am not much of a doctor but, I am very smart and a good administrator “
would you let him do an operation on you?.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

I know what you are saying bro, like I wouldn't trust him around my sister LOL But you know what he is a very good administrator and that is what we need not a saint. we were given a tour of all the building he had built and all the churches and schools for priests and seminaries. He is pushing for more church presence in television programs and army which is a GREAT thing. Have you seen our priests with camouflage robes? Awesome! he also has the western cults in check. We met him he is very charismatic, he impressed all of us. Look at it this way bro, a hospital administrator doesnt have to be a doktor to be effective. Besides I ain't going to him for my checkups LOL

That says it all.

The leader of the Armenian Church is someone you wouldn't trust being around with your sister.

I also wouldn't trust him being around money (especially other peoples), or cars, or palaces, or casinos, or parks, or historical monuments either - he is guaranteed to abuse at least one of them.

...and I'd especially not trust him to be in charge of that corrupt extremist reactionary fascistic cult that the Armenian Church in Armenia has become. Armenia has enough enemies and problems without having this poisonously devisive organisation at its very heart.

[Mher]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

The demon speaks:

The critics are especially unhappy with his
reluctance to speak out against human rights abuses, government
corruption and injustice in the country. Some of them have also
denounced the pontiff for effectively siding with the current and
former Armenian governments in their standoffs with opposition forces.

In particular, Garegin came under opposition fire after endorsing the
official results of Armenia's February 2013 presidential election that
gave victory to the incumbent President Serzh Sarkisian. He personally
delivered a congratulatory message to Sarkisian together with several
other high-ranking clergymen the day after the disputed ballot. `Your
victory in the elections testifies to the fact that our people trust
your programs of reformation,' read the message.

The church leadership went on to criticize post-election street
protests organized in Yerevan by Raffi Hovannisian, the main
opposition presidential candidate who claimed to be the rightful
election winner. Hovannisian reacted angrily to the criticism. He
accused Garegin of `desecrating the Bible' by attending and blessing
Sarkisian's inauguration for a second term.

All national churches do what they must to stick to the regime in power in order to stay relevant, and the regime does its best to work with them to control the masses. The per-soviet Russia, post soviet Russia, hell even soviet Russia, the many south American dictators, etc.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

Armenian Church in Moscow Shut Its Doors on Christmas and Sends Congregation Home

http://hetq.am/eng/articles/31898/armenian-church-in-moscow-shut-its-doors-on-christmas-and-sends-congregation-home.html

The doors to the main entrance of the newly constructed Armenian Church of the Holy Transfiguration in Moscow were closed on Jan. 6, and Armenian churchgoers who arrived on Christmas night were told by the guard to go home and come back the next day at 10:30 am.

"On Christmas, we went to church; it was midnight. We were told that the church is closed, to go home and come back tomorrow," says Moscow resident Shoushan A., who didn't want her surname published.

According to Shoushan, there were about 50 people near the gates at that time. "We asked to be let in, [but] they didn't allow us inside the church." After Shoushan pleaded extensively with the guard, he allowed her and her family members, and, after more urging, some of the others gathered to enter the church from the back.

"We were quite offended. I said instead of calling us to church, you dismiss us. They said, we have orders from above not to allow anyone to enter the church at 12 am," says Shoushan.

Surprisingly, those gathered outside saw several people inside the church. They believe that most likely there were VIPs among the guests, and other visitors were turned away in order not to bother the special guests.

Diocese of New Nakhichevan and Russia Press Secretary Alvard Nazaryan, in a telephone conversation with Hetq, said the church was indeed closed at 12 am because the ceremony was over. The ceremony began at 11 am and the church was open the entire day. "Since the Russian Church has ceremonies at night, they thought our church is also open, and they came at night, at a late hour," she said.

"It's not possible for there to have been people inside because the guards said when the flow of people stopped, they saw people aren't going inside, and they closed [the doors]. The guards are not authorized to close the doors when there are people or priests inside," she added.

Nazaryan stated that the church opens every day in the morning and remains open till late in the evening, but since the church is undergoing construction, and taking into consideration security measures, it is not always open, and the priests are not yet completely serving the church.

"The right thing is to come to church during the liturgy and participate in the sacrament and blessing of the water," she said.

[TomServo]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

Typical; it was funded and constructed by oligarchs for oligarchs and their families. I do wonder how many of them are pious Christians.

It might be the biggest Armenian church in that country but it also has the dubious distinction of being the ugliest.

The churches in the Russian North Caucasus (Rostov, Vladikavkaz, Derbent, etc.) might not be behemoths but at least they're pleasant to look at and not eyesores.

[TomServo]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

and you are so advanced putting down Christianity while you live your life in Christian values.....hypocrite always think they know it all.

I severely doubt he lives his life in Christian values.

Do you mean that modern European values have roots in Christian (read: Western Christianity) culture? Even so, very few of these values are shared by people in or from Armenia -- in fact people on here often argue against the applicability of such values in Armenia.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

Do you mean that modern European values have roots in Christian (read: Western Christianity) culture? Even so, very few of these values are shared by people in or from Armenia -- in fact people on here often argue against the applicability of such values in Armenia.

Those values would include individual freedom and responsibility, the rule of law impartially enforced and available to all, and a rigid separation of the Church from the State. In Western Europe, really only Islamists would argue against such values. Islamists and, it seems , quite a few Armenians. Hence my "as backward as your Muslim neighbours" comment. Except that the Three Stooges [nb: I am refering here to 3 forum members whose posts here were, after I made this posting, deleted as personal atacks] dont have Muslim neighbours: like all the vocal apologists here for the corrupt and immoral in Armenia, they don't actually live in Armenia.

In Armenia, it's still mostly silent apathy:

http://www.rferl.org/content/golbal-corruption-survey/25040514.html

Nearly 90 percent of global respondents said they were ready to fight graft, from signing petitions to protesting to spreading the word through social media.

The only country surveyed in which less than half of respondents said they would be prepared to do anything was Armenia. Less than one-third of people in the Caucasian state said they would even be willing to sign a petition.

And the same apologists here of the corrupt and immoral are also always vocal attackers of those who are no longer silent and apathetic in Armenia.

[jgk3]

Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?

Stop with the personal attacks.