Armenian lesbians/gays

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I am very pleased and proud of President Obama. Were it not with the right wing fundamentalists who are trying to invade people's private lives, I'm sure he would have declared his support much sooner.

I haven't created my own religion. Not at all. All I've done is sit and think about whether it makes sense that some bearded guy sitting in the clouds is and has been calling the shots. If you allowed yourself the pleasure of critical thinking, you, too, might arrive at the same conclusion. All we have is this life. There is no god. There is no afterlife. But the notion of god and an afterlife sure does give some people the sense that they have the right to tell other people how to live their lives.

End of ...munication. Cute. Not original. But then, religion isn't about inspiring people to have original thoughts.

Your view of Christianity being a "white bearded guy in clouds" is very short sighted.

It's also interesting how you equate cultural conservatism with North Korea like dictatorship. I guess a tactic in trying to label people who wish to retain our cultural values?

[Flamenkita]

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Not really an obscure tactic on my part. North Korea is just an example of what happens when the ideas of a few obscure and suppress the ideas of the many. It's what happens when ideas like "Western assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the genocide" fully play out.

Let me ask you this, though: How do you know God is male?

[Flamenkita]

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gegev, a lot of psychotic people believe they have direct access to the thoughts of god and Christ.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Not really an obscure tactic on my part. North Korea is just an example of what happens when the ideas of a few obscure and suppress the ideas of the many. It's what happens when ideas like "Western assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the genocide" fully play out.

Let me ask you this, though: How do you know God is male?

Except it is not ideas of a few suppressing many. More it's just protecting the fundamental core of a society. No one here is saying society/behaviour should be controlled. As for the line "Western assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the genocide" that's more intended for the diaspora where assimilation will lead to Armenians forgetting their identity or accepting other identies, and with that the numbers of Armenians dwindling just like during Genocide. Research "White Genocide".

Because males are biologically and socially the dominant sex.

[Flamenkita]

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Except it is not ideas of a few suppressing many. More it's just protecting the fundamental core of a society. No one here is saying society/behaviour should be controlled. As for the line "Western assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the genocide" that's more intended for the diaspora where assimilation will lead to Armenians forgetting their identity or accepting other identies, and with that the numbers of Armenians dwindling just like during Genocide. Research "White Genocide".

Because males are biologically and socially the dominant sex.

Kim Jong Il spoke those same words: "Just protecting the fundamental core of a society."

For your information, the Diaspora has always preserved Armenian culture. It was the Mxitarist monks in Venice and Vienna who preserved and perfected Classical Armenian language and texts. They were the ones who saved manuscripts from perishing.
Armenian culture is almost synonymous with Diaspora. You may not like it, but there is nothing about an Armenian from the former USSR that makes him or her any more authentic in his Armenianness than an Armenian from New York City. Armenians were merchants and middlemen in international trade long before the Americas were discovered and colonized. Where there are merchants and middlemen, there are diasporan communities.

Also, in biology, males are usually the "marked" sex. They are the ones who have to do more or look like they are doing more to secure mates and to pass on their genes. Because our species has evolved past the point where brute force is what secures our survival, we can no longer accept the argument that males are the dominant sex. What secures the survival of our species is: intelligence, adaptability, diversification. If you want to make the biological argument, then the best thing we can do for ourselves as a biological community is to bring in fresh genes... i.e. marry non-Armenians, marry people who are as different from us as possible.

The biological-social argument is a failure. But there's something to the idea of men being the "marked" ones, the ones who have the elaborate feathers and do the fancy dancing in order to attract and impregnate females. Armenian men do this is a number of ways: machismo, fancy cars, throwing money around, ordering people around who they feel they're better than, be it their sisters, mothers, younger brothers, etc...

White Genocide is a construct and a situational device that has been overused to make some people fall in line by causing guilt and a sense of unending obligation. It's no way to run a family, or a nation.

[Sip]

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Kim Jong Il spoke those same words...

Hurray for not saying Hitler ... this discussion is still not lost Hmmm ... but I said Hitler ... did I just kill it all?

[retro]

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Except it is not ideas of a few suppressing many. More it's just protecting the fundamental core of a society. No one here is saying society/behaviour should be controlled. As for the line "Western assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the genocide" that's more intended for the diaspora where assimilation will lead to Armenians forgetting their identity or accepting other identies, and with that the numbers of Armenians dwindling just like during Genocide. Research "White Genocide".

Because males are biologically and socially the dominant sex.

Whilst the west manufacturers these insidious, brainwashed, neo-liberal, lemmings on a revolving assembly line. It's also used as a dumping ground for other peoples misfits.

Armenia does not need become autocratic or repressive in order to ward off subversive elements. However Armenia's demographics and external threats are such that it must at least for now remain a fortress state.

[retro]

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Kim Jong Il spoke those same words: "Just protecting the fundamental core of a society."

Which all just goes to show that. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Neo-liberalism = Aldous Huxley's Brave New World

[ADandelion]

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Wow.



I believe everyone should be free to practice what they wish so long as their views don't infringe on those of others.

Sexual orientation is something as deeply ingrained in you as the origin of your blood. It can't be repressed or denied in a healthy way. If one falls in love with a woman when one is a woman, that is equally valid as loving a man. Homophobia is a hard current to swim against, but if your parents love you, and if you maintain open channels of communication, time heals all. Don't deny yourself what could be a lifetime of happiness over uncertainty and fear of what could be.

And as for family, church and patriotism.... family is extremely important, I agree. Her bond with hers will be strengthened if they can support her through this major step, and will lead her to starting a family of her own.

The church is an invaluable tool for self-growth. When it becomes a wall rather than a bridge for moving forward though, one has to bypass it.

As for patriotism, one's allegiance lies first and foremost to oneself. Understanding and loving one's heritage is part of that, but groups are something we subscribe to to feel needed; people love to be shackled even as they cry out for freedom.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Wow.



I believe everyone should be free to practice what they wish so long as their views don't infringe on those of others.

Sexual orientation is something as deeply ingrained in you as the origin of your blood. It can't be repressed or denied in a healthy way. If one falls in love with a woman when one is a woman, that is equally valid as loving a man. Homophobia is a hard current to swim against, but if your parents love you, and if you maintain open channels of communication, time heals all. Don't deny yourself what could be a lifetime of happiness over uncertainty and fear of what could be.

And as for family, church and patriotism.... family is extremely important, I agree. Her bond with hers will be strengthened if they can support her through this major step, and will lead her to starting a family of her own.

The church is an invaluable tool for self-growth. When it becomes a wall rather than a bridge for moving forward though, one has to bypass it.

As for patriotism, one's allegiance lies first and foremost to oneself. Understanding and loving one's heritage is part of that, but groups are something we subscribe to to feel needed; people love to be shackled even as they cry out for freedom.

Amen to that!