To be Armenian in Turkey

[Artashes]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

Turks have been hated wherever they showed their ugly faces.
To show faces that looks somewhat like the people that you have been raping for the hundreds of years is testimony to the amount of rape the physically ugly turk has done.
Every people that had the misfortune to be invaded by your kind has always commented at least 3 things:
The incredible numbers (hordes), how ugly your kind was(and is) and how inhuman your (?family) was and is.
You can show pictures of human like faces and proclaim: see we are human too, but the moment you open up your mouth the Turkish inhumanity spews out.
Your fraudulent denial of your inhuman treatment of all those who you have encountered in your brutal assault of this area is testament of the conniving and heartless Turkish scam.
You are not fooling anyone here.
Maybe if you kept your mouth shut and just showed the product of your rape, maybe, just maybe no would know its an ugly, heartless conniving turk.
Artashes

[Eddo211]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

Why Turks had not killed (The Loyal Nation?) Armenians throughout 600 years and started to kill after 20th century, have you ever thought?

Not true, Armenians have been fighting the invading Turkic tribes long before they reached Armenian lands and much longer than 600 years.

We cleaned ASALA and after a while PKK appeared, now we are not cleasing Kurds we are cleaning Terrorist Party (includes many ethnic groups mostly kurds),

ASALA was disband by Armenian public opinion and internal problems....eitherway, ASALA had reached its main objective and was no longer needed, for now.

As far as the Kurdish struggle....Ocalan controls PKK, the Deep State controls Ocalan.

https://www.google.com.tr/search?sug...w=1366&bih=643

This is not a dirrect link to the article and you still havn't said why you openned this thread with the title that you chose to use.

[Artashes]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

Turks have been hated wherever they showed their ugly faces.
To show faces that looks somewhat like the people that you have been raping for the hundreds of years is testimony to the amount of rape the physically ugly turk has done.
Every people that had the misfortune to be invaded by your kind has always commented at least 3 things:
The incredible numbers (hordes), how ugly your kind was(and is) and how inhuman your (?family) was and is.
You can show pictures of human like faces and proclaim: see we are human too, but the moment you open up your mouth the Turkish inhumanity spews out.
Your fraudulent denial of your inhuman treatment of all those who you have encountered in your brutal assault of this area is testament of the conniving and heartless Turkish scam.
You are not fooling anyone here.
Maybe if you kept your mouth shut and just showed the product of your rape, maybe, just maybe no would know its an ugly, heartless conniving turk.
Artashes

Every thing said above is historically documented and verified by all acknowledged historians both past and present who don't have their lips attached to a certain turkish body part.
All the yammering can not, I repeat not turn back the hands of TIME. You(turk) cannot erase history(documented beyond a shadow of a dought) by connivingly running your mouth. You(turk) cannot change the TRUTH .
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

Nice photographs, they look like or similar to the people turks hsve been murdering and raping and torturing for hundreds of years.
You are heartless. And I know that. I'm an Armenian.
If you (turk) came to me with a truthful accounting and an accompanying disgust(minimum) than we would have a basis to discuss the truth of the matter. All bs is dead.
Artashes

[Hyreniq]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

Turks have been hated wherever they showed their ugly faces.
To show faces that looks somewhat like the people that you have been raping for the hundreds of years is testimony to the amount of rape the physically ugly turk has done.
Every people that had the misfortune to be invaded by your kind has always commented at least 3 things:
The incredible numbers (hordes), how ugly your kind was(and is) and how inhuman your (?family) was and is.
You can show pictures of human like faces and proclaim: see we are human too, but the moment you open up your mouth the Turkish inhumanity spews out.
Your fraudulent denial of your inhuman treatment of all those who you have encountered in your brutal assault of this area is testament of the conniving and heartless Turkish scam.
You are not fooling anyone here.
Maybe if you kept your mouth shut and just showed the product of your rape, maybe, just maybe no would know its an ugly, heartless conniving turk.
Artashes

Nice photographs, they look like or similar to the people turks hsve been murdering and raping and torturing for hundreds of years.
You are heartless. And I know that. I'm an Armenian.
If you (turk) came to me with a truthful accounting and an accompanying disgust(minimum) than we would have a basis to discuss the truth of the matter. All bs is dead.
Artashes

Well said!

[ADandelion]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

Our relationship with Turkey has been so poisoned, I doubt it will ever heal. And I'm not sure that Armenians want it to be healed.

The Turkish culture is somewhat sick. The people there are fine; they're the same kind of people that you find anywhere. But when you're raised in such an environment, it warps your perspective.

Of course, I say this from a biased, Armenian perspective, but examining my reasoning, I can say that while my intrinsic dislike of Turks is based off of the influence of Armenian sentiment throughout my life, my views on their culture comes from an entirely rational place.

What infuriates me more than anything is how Turkey has been given carte blanche in foreign relations for so long, much like Israel (though that has been changing lately). Being useful to the Western nations will of course grant you more lenient oversight in international matters, but the bias is painfully clear in these two cases.

What amuses me is how Turkey tries to pass itself off as a European democracy even as it assassinates Turkish journalists who speak out against the government and crush the freedom of speech underfoot.

Not that any nation is much better when it comes to free speech. Look at what happened to Helen Thomas in the US.

I find a lot of parallels between what happened to the Palestinians at the hands of Israel and between what Turkey inflicted on Armenia. And at least we have the sympathy of Europe. Palestinians have no one.

[Artashes]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

Our relationship with Turkey has been so poisoned, I doubt it will ever heal. And I'm not sure that Armenians want it to be healed.

The Turkish culture is somewhat sick. The people there are fine; they're the same kind of people that you find anywhere. But when you're raised in such an environment, it warps your perspective.

Of course, I say this from a biased, Armenian perspective, but examining my reasoning, I can say that while my intrinsic dislike of Turks is based off of the influence of Armenian sentiment throughout my life, my views on their culture comes from an entirely rational place.

What infuriates me more than anything is how Turkey has been given carte blanche in foreign relations for so long, much like Israel (though that has been changing lately). Being useful to the Western nations will of course grant you more lenient oversight in international matters, but the bias is painfully clear in these two cases.

What amuses me is how Turkey tries to pass itself off as a European democracy even as it assassinates Turkish journalists who speak out against the government and crush the freedom of speech underfoot.

Not that any nation is much better when it comes to free speech. Look at what happened to Helen Thomas in the US.

I find a lot of parallels between what happened to the Palestinians at the hands of Israel and between what Turkey inflicted on Armenia. And at least we have the sympathy of Europe. Palestinians have no one.

When you say: Palestinians have no one do you mean besides 80 million arabs?
And when you say: we have the sympathy of Europe is this the Europe that's holding the eurovisionand that is part of NATO?
Is this the Europe that vacillates between what's good for them and the truth?
Have you ever heard of the man who said what he meant and meant what he said?
When one says they are carrying the banner of TRUTH and then shakes the hand of a known fraud and heartless murder perhaps sympathy might
Have to go
Artashes

[ADandelion]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

When you say: Palestinians have no one do you mean besides 80 million arabs?
And when you say: we have the sympathy of Europe is this the Europe that's holding the eurovisionand that is part of NATO?
Is this the Europe that vacillates between what's good for them and the truth?
Have you ever heard of the man who said what he meant and meant what he said?
When one says they are carrying the banner of TRUTH and then shakes the hand of a known fraud and heartless murder perhaps sympathy might
Have to go
Artashes

These 80 million Arabs have no real power in the civilized world. The Arab world lives in outdated squalor, and their methods of assistance don't particularly endear them to the West and Far East, as far as diplomacy goes.

Indeed, that is the Europe that I'm referring to.

I have heard of him, but I have yet to have the pleasure of making his acquaintance.

And there is no truth, there is only perspective.

[Artashes]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

These 80 million Arabs have no real power in the civilized world. The Arab world lives in outdated squalor, and their methods of assistance don't particularly endear them to the West and Far East, as far as diplomacy goes.

Indeed, that is the Europe that I'm referring to.

I have heard of him, but I have yet to have the pleasure of making his acquaintance.

And there is no truth, there is only perspective.

The Sun( Old Sole(soul) is big(really big) and round and golden. Your perspective does not and cannot change the truth. The truth is not dependent on your perspective or any other (important?) persons opinion or perspective.
Would you recognize him even if you meet him?
The very consistent appeal by the Arab community for Palestine far outweighs every mention of Armenia
Emmensily.
If our just cause was mentioned half as much(publicized) perhaps people would know about us too.
Artashes

[ADandelion]

Re: To be Armenian in Turkey

The whole question of whether truth exists is a bit heavy for this thread, but you seem to be lingering on the subject so I will do my best to clarify my point of view on it.

I believe there is a single and universal Truth concerning all that there was, is, and will be. This Truth, however, is factual. It consists of an explanation of what happens and why it happens. It is not a justification or judgement, becasue judgement is based off of a moral system, and morality is a man-made construct, arbitrary to each individual.

The Truth, which is singular and undeniable, does not depend on perspective. However, the lesser truth in the more mundane, human sense, does. Any statement about human nature is both true and untrue, simply becasue people are not developed enough to reach any conclusive understanding about themselves.

So my statement regarding truth being a child of perspective applies to truth as advocated by people, or as preached by anyone who claims to carry its banner. There is no certainty in the human experience, only the folly of those who claim otherwise.



I am a little confused about your statement regarding the Sun. I assume it was meant to illustrate your point, and as I have already done so to my own satisfaction, I'll let your rhetorical anecdote be.

As for the appeal on the part of Palestine outweighing the appeal for Armenia (though I argue that we have been liberated from oppression by foreign countries as much as any nation of the region can reasonable be, while Palestine has not), that is entirely true. Those appeals fall on deaf ears, however.

Our cause concerns us, while the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an infamous source of tension across the world. Don't get me wrong, I wish prosperity for my country as much as any citizen, and I'm certainly not saying the suffering of one people outweighs that of the other. I'm simply trying to draw parallels to help depict the issue in a clearer way.