Can We Trust the Bible?

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Diet And Nutrition


Genesis 1:29
And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.

Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Leviticus 3:17
It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”

Leviticus 11:4-44
4 But of animals that rechew food and have divided hoofs you must not eat the following: the camel—though it rechews food, it does not have divided hoofs, so it is unclean for you;
5 the rock badger—though it rechews food, it does not have divided hoofs, so it is unclean for you;
6 the hare—though it rechews food, it does not have divided hoofs, so it is unclean for you;
7 the pig—though it has completely divided hoofs, it does not rechew food, so it is unclean for you.
8 You must not eat the flesh of these animals or touch their dead bodies; they are unclean for you.

9 You are allowed to eat the following from all water animals: You may eat anything in the water that has fins and scales, whether in sea or stream.
10 But anything in the seas or streams that does not have fins and scales—whether it be any of the swarming creatures in the water or any of the other living creatures in the water—is detestable to you
11 and must remain so. You must not eat their flesh, and you must detest their dead bodies.
12 Anything in the water that does not have fins or scales is detestable to you.

13 Of the birds, the following are the ones you must detest—they must not be eaten; they are detestable: the eagle, the black vulture, the bearded vulture,
14 the kite, any kind of falcon,
15 any kind of raven,
16 the eagle owl, the short-eared owl, the long-eared owl, any kind of hawk,
17 the tawny owl, the fisher owl, the screech owl, 18 the white owl, the scops owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe, and the bat.[a]

20 Any flying insect that walks on four feet is detestable to you,
21 but you can eat four-footed flying insects that have jointed legs above their feet with which they hop on the ground.
22 Of these you can eat the following: any kind of migrating locust, any kind of bald locust, any kind of cricket, and any kind of grasshopper.
23 But every other flying insect that has four feet is detestable to you.
Unclean animals

24 You make yourself unclean by the following animals—whoever touches their dead bodies will be unclean until evening,
25 and anyone who carries any part of their dead bodies must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening:
26 All animals that have divided hoofs, but they are not completely split, and that do not rechew food are unclean for you—whoever touches them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on four feet, the ones that walk on their paws are unclean for you—anyone who touches their dead bodies will be unclean until evening.
28 Anyone who carries one of their dead bodies must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening; these animals are unclean for you.

29 The following are unclean for you among the small creatures that move about on the ground: the rat, the mouse, any kind of large lizard,
30 the gecko, the spotted lizard, the lizard, the skink, and the chameleon.[b]
31 Of all small moving creatures, these are unclean for you—anyone who touches them when they are dead will be unclean until evening.
32 Moreover, anything on which one of these creatures falls when it is dead will be unclean, whether it is wood, cloth, skin, or funeral clothing—any such item that can be used to do work. It must be put into water and will be unclean until evening. Then it will be clean again. 33 If any of these creatures fall into a pottery jar, everything inside it will be unclean; you must smash the pot.
34 If water from such a jar gets on any edible food, it will be unclean; any drinkable beverage in such a jar will be unclean.
35 Anything on which a part of these animals’ dead bodies might fall will be unclean. If it is an oven or stove, it must be destroyed; they are unclean for you and must remain that way.
36 Now, a spring or cistern that collects water is clean, but anyone who touches one of these animals’ dead bodies in it will be unclean.[c] 37 If any part of these animals’ dead bodies falls on seed that is to be planted, the seed is still clean. 38 But if water is poured on some seed and part of their dead bodies falls on it, it is unclean for you.

39 If one of the animals that you are allowed to eat dies naturally, anyone who touches its dead body will be unclean until evening.
40 Anyone who eats from the dead body must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening. Anyone who carries such a dead body must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening.

41 Every creature that swarms on the earth is detestable; it must not be eaten.
42 Among all such creatures that swarm on the earth, you must not eat anything that moves on its belly or anything that walks on four or more feet because they are detestable.
43 Do not make yourselves detestable by means of any swarming creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean with them or be made unclean by them.
44 I am the Lord your God. You must keep yourselves holy and be holy, because I am holy. You must not make yourselves unclean by any swarming creature that crawls on the ground.


As a start worth noticing the contraditions....

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General Morality

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
25 But if the man met up with the engaged woman in a field, grabbing her and having sex with her there, only the man will die.
26 Don’t do anything whatsoever to the young woman. She hasn’t committed any capital crime—rather, this situation is exactly like the one where someone attacks his neighbor and kills him.[a]
27 Since the man met up with her in a field, the engaged woman may well have called out for help, but there was no one to rescue her.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man meets up with a young woman who is a virgin and not engaged, grabs her and has sex with her, and they are caught in the act,
29 the man who had sex with her must give fifty silver shekels to the young woman’s father. She will also become his wife because he has humiliated her. He is never allowed to divorce her.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24
23 If a young woman who is a virgin is engaged to one man and another man meets up with her in a town and has sex with her,
24 you must bring both of them to the city gates there and stone them until they die—the young woman because she didn’t call for help in the city, and the man because of the fact that he humiliated his neighbor’s wife.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
“When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. But if you no longer delight in her, you shall let her go where she wants. But you shall not sell her for money, nor shall you treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her.

Zechariah 14:1-2
Behold, a day is coming for the Lord, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Judges 21:10-24
10 The community dispatched twelve thousand warriors there with these orders: “Go kill all the people in Jabesh-gilead, including women and children.
11 Here’s what you should do: Exterminate every man and every woman who has slept with a man.”
12 Among the people of Jabesh-gilead, they found four hundred young women who had not known a man intimately or slept with one, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
13 The whole community then sent word to the Benjaminites who were at the rock of Rimmon and offered them a truce.[a]
14 So the Benjaminites returned at that time, and they gave them the women from Jabesh-gilead that they had allowed to live. Even so, there weren’t enough for them.

15 Since the people had a change of heart concerning the Benjaminites because the Lord had caused a rupture in the tribes of Israel,
16 the community elders said, “What can we do to provide wives for the ones who are left, seeing that the Benjaminite women have been destroyed?
17 There must be a surviving line for those who remain from Benjamin,” they continued, “so that a tribe won’t be erased from Israel.
18 But we can’t allow our daughters to marry them, for we Israelites have made this pledge: ‘Let anyone who provides a wife for Benjamin be cursed!’
19 However,” they said, “the annual festival of the Lord is under way in Shiloh, which is north of Bethel, east of the main road that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and south of Lebonah.”
20 So they instructed the Benjaminites, “Go and hide like an ambush in the vineyards
21 and watch. At the moment the women of Shiloh come out to participate in the dances, rush out from the vineyards. Each one of you, capture a wife for yourself from the women of Shiloh and go back to the land of Benjamin.
22 When their fathers or brothers come to us to object, we’ll tell them, ‘Do us a favor for their sake. We didn’t capture enough women for every man during the battle, and this way you are not guilty because you didn’t give them anything willingly.’”
23 And that is what the Benjaminites did. They took wives for their whole group from the dancers whom they abducted. They returned to their territory, rebuilt the cities, and lived in them.
24 Likewise, the Israelites set out from there at that time, heading home to their respective tribes and clans. They all left there for their own territories.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
10 When you approach a city to fight against it, you should first extend peaceful terms to it.
11 If the city responds with peaceful terms and surrenders to you, then all the people in the city will serve you as forced laborers.
12 However, if the city does not negotiate peacefully with you but makes war against you, you may attack it.
13 The Lord your God will hand it over to you; you must kill all the city’s males with the sword.
14 However, you can take for yourselves the women, the children, the animals, and all that is in the city—all its plunder. You can then enjoy your enemies’ plunder, which the Lord your God has given you.

Numbers 31:7-18
7 They battled against Midian as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male.
8 They killed the kings of Midian: Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian, along with others slain. They also killed Balaam, Beor’s son, with the sword.
9 The Israelites took captive the Midianite women, their little ones, all their cattle, their herds, and their possessions.
10 They burned all the cities where they lived and their encampments.
11 They took all the spoils of war and the valuable property, both human and animal,
12 and they brought the captives, the valuable property, and the spoils of war to Moses, Eleazar the priest, and the Israelite community, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho.

Purification from war

13 Moses, Eleazar the priest, and the chiefs of the community went to meet them outside the camp.
14 Moses became angry with the commanders of the army, the officers of thousands and the officers of hundreds, who came back from the battle.
15 Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live?
16 These very women, on Balaam’s advice, made the Israelites break faith with the Lord in the affair at Peor, so there was a plague among the Lord’s community.
17 Now kill every male child and every female who has known a man intimately by sleeping with him.
18 But all the young girls who have not known a man intimately by sleeping with him, spare for yourselves.

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2 Samuel 12:11-14

11 “This is what the Lord says: I am making trouble come against you from inside your own family. Before your very eyes I will take your wives away and give them to your friend, and he will have sex with your wives in broad daylight.

12 You did what you did secretly, but I will do what I am doing before all Israel in the light of day.”

13 “I’ve sinned against the Lord!” David said to Nathan.

“The Lord has removed your sin,” Nathan replied to David. “You won’t die.

14 However, because you have utterly disrespected the Lord[a] by doing this, the son born to you will definitely die.”

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So the newborn baby had to die !!!

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Deuteronomy 13:6-10


6 Similarly, if one of your relatives—even one of your own siblings—or your own son or daughter or your dear spouse or best friend entices you secretly, if someone like that says: “Come on! We should follow and worship other gods”—ones that neither you nor your ancestors have experienced,

7 gods from all the neighboring peoples, whether nearby or far away, from one end of the earth to the other—

8 don’t give in to them! Don’t obey them! Don’t have any mercy on them! Don’t have compassion on them and don’t protect them!

9 Instead, you must execute them. Your own hand must be against them from the beginning of the execution; the hand of all the people will be involved at the end.

10 Stone them until they are dead because they desired to lead you away from the Lord your God, the one who brought you out of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

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Another very serious subject that would make the Bible “Philosophy” difficult to stand in the modern society is
the debate about evolution and Bible’s position.

[Cory]

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londontsi, what exactly is the contradiction your referring to? I want to help you understand, but all your doing is posting verses from the law God gave to the nation of Israel under the old covenant (old testament).

You did this before and I explained to you why Christians are NOT bound under the old Mosiac law. Those laws and rules were temporary and only for the nation of Israel. The Bible goes in great detail on this subject alone. Read the book of Romans. We are now under the new covenant. The covenant of grace (not law) between God and all nations through Jesus Christ. You quoted Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them." Thats exactly what Jesus did, he lived a perfect pure sinless life and fulfilled the law. Christ than made a new covenant between God and man. A covenant of grace, for the law brought forth death but grace brings life through our Lord Jesus.

The law was NOT abolished but fulfilled by the Holy Son of God who paid the price on the cross to legally free us from the condemnation of the law. The law still remains, but through the blood of Jesus those who except Him are not bound by the law but are free by His grace. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. (Ephesian 2:14-18)

The Bible is crystal clear on this matter. All it takes is a study of the Bible and you will understand that the old covenant law does not contradict with the new covenant grace at all.

But it seems that your on a mission to discredit the Bible, because those verses you brought up are the same exact verses (in the same order) that are posted on anti-christain websites which are filled with lies and hate filled insults against our Lord Jesus Christ. It's odd that a professing "Christian" would reject reading the Bible (the very book Christianity is based on) themselves and trust in God to open their understanding, instead they would jump straight to a anti-christian website to copy/past verses specifically quoted (totally out of context) to discredit the Bible. It's sad.

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Another very serious subject that would make the Bible “Philosophy” difficult to stand in the modern society is
the debate about evolution and Bible’s position.

Evolution is nothing but a fairytale. It's the biggest scam in human history. Fabricated unscientific non-sense.

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Evolution is nothing but a fairytale. It's the biggest scam in human history. Fabricated unscientific non-sense.

and that's where you lost anyone still keeping an open mind. This is why I don't allow the "yegetsakans" near my house, or on my tv. Beyond the importance of attending and supporting OUR church, the church that has kept many of us in the Diaspora Armenian, nobody can take this stuff seriously when you chose to deny basic undeniable fundamental truths, and there's no point in trying either, because you people are more gone than north koreans. its unbelievable that in the 21st century, you could be coerced into believing that evolution is not real.

Cory are you at all Armenian, or is this just the e-version of the door to door pamphlet people

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This is all you need to know about religion/god/bs

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=george+carlin+religion&mid=BB8E310077ED812977A4BB8E310077ED812977A4&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1

[Cory]

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and that's where you lost anyone still keeping an open mind. This is why I don't allow the "yegetsakans" near my house, or on my tv. Beyond the importance of attending and supporting OUR church, the church that has kept many of us in the Diaspora Armenian, nobody can take this stuff seriously when you chose to deny basic undeniable fundamental truths, and there's no point in trying either, because you people are more gone than north koreans. its unbelievable that in the 21st century, you could be coerced into believing that evolution is not real.

Cory are you at all Armenian, or is this just the e-version of the door to door pamphlet people

Evolution is based on nothing. Not a single evidence. On the other hand the scientific evidence for creation/intelligent design is overwhelming. I challenged you to prove me wrong.

Naturalism itself is a religious belief. The conviction that nothing happens supernaturally is a tenet of faith, not a fact that can be verified by scientific means. Indeed, an a priori rejection of everything supernatural involves a giant, irrational leap of faith.

I simply do not have enough faith to believe in evolution.

Evolution is simply the latest means our fallen race has devised in order to suppress our innate knowledge and the biblical testimony that there is a God and that we are accountable to Him (cf. Romans 1:28). By embracing evolution, modern society aims to do away with morality, responsibility, and guilt. Society has embraced evolution with such enthusiasm because people imagine that it eliminates the Judge and leaves them free to do whatever they want without guilt and without consequences.

The evolutionary idea not only strips man of his dignity and his value, but it also eliminates the ground of his rationality. If everything happens by chance, then in the ultimate sense, nothing can possibly have any real purpose or meaning. And it's hard to think of any philosophical starting point that is more irrational than that.