Why dont Armenians get along?

[anileve]

I see pure love of multiculturalism spreading its powerful tentacles across this “fresh” forum. Baronchik, forget it, it's all in the past now and just for you I'll listen to Tata's annoying voice before I go to bed. Now let us all reflect on our Armenian and non-Armenian love.

[patlajan]

Originally posted by Baron Dants Yay! We have reached a new high in pathetic posting material! Hooray for us!

The thread started out really well with somebody asking about the animosity between Armenians (a very bothersome issue, certainly worth discussing)...AND THEN, we start to blame Armenians from the Middle East because "us European Armenians get along fine"!! Am I the only one who sees the irony here?

Yes Patlajan, the water in the Middle East makes us agressive. That's why I, born in Syria (which happens to be in the Middle East) have among my best friends an Armenian from Egypt, one from Lebanon, one from Iran, one from Turkey, and while there aren't too many Hayastantsis in Montreal, I still keep in touch with the Hayastantsis I met in Hayastan (some of whom thought I was from Armenia) and I get along extremely well (maybe TOO well??) with Tigran, among others.

So what is your point exactly?

The cause for all of this is not which region one is from, it has more to do with some Armenians' upbringing and the stupid stereotypes they have formed on other regions, based solely on their laziness.

What the hell is a European Armenian anyways? It sounds as if you feel a greater sense of national belonging with Europeans (Swedes for example) than with "non European Armenian.

Give this bull up already. Oh, I'm an aryan Armenian....TRUE Armenians have blond hair...he has black hair, I'm a better Armenian....bla bla bla bla bla blaaaaaaaaa

So I don't care anymore.....just go have your Gudendagen sausages or whatever they're called with those polite Europeans....I'll have some nice khorovadz with intelligent Armenians from all over the world, who have noticed that being the small nation we are, not only MUST we stick together....we'll actually have a lot of fun doing so..

And yes, I am very very pissed right now...

Your rant doesn't change the fact that there is no animosity between euro armos. And you talking about getting along with everybody sounds like you making an effort. Effort wouldn't be needed where there is no problem.

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by patlajan Your rant doesn't change the fact that there is no animosity between euro armos. And you talking about getting along with everybody sounds like you making an effort. Effort wouldn't be needed where there is no problem.

What effort? Truth is, I had always considered it cool that there can be Armenians from 10 different countries, and they could all still relate if they meet up. That's not a problem, that's a national treasure. I would have never thought about the possibility of problems between an Armenian from one place with an Armenian from another had I not heard cases of it.

And who are the euro armos actually?

[patlajan]

Originally posted by Baron Dants What effort? Truth is, I had always considered it cool that there can be Armenians from 10 different countries, and they could all still relate if they meet up. That's not a problem, that's a national treasure. I would have never thought about the possibility of problems between an Armenian from one place with an Armenian from another had I not heard cases of it.

And who are the euro armos actually?

I've never been raised to not like any armenians. And no one has told me to keep stereotypes about certain types of armenians growing up, is my point. The euro armos are the romanhyes, bulgarahyes, the armos from greece (don't know how to say it) and so on....See you don't even know who were are...cause we're not "real armenians". And if you think what part of the world you're from doesn't affect you, you're dreaming.


P.S. - I've also made clear my affections lol for our chain smoking moderator. And my girlfriend is a "mid-east" armo as well. And um.....I'm not blonde....and um you know this? Was that rant even about me....I doubt it.

[Darorinag]

Pure love and multicultaralism in one sentence? huh, what? gee, that must be the best example of an oxymoron..

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by patlajan I've never been raised to not like any armenians. And no one is told me to keep stereotypes about certain types of armenians growing up, is my point. The euro armos are the romanhyes, bulgarahyes, the armos from greece (don't know how to say it) and so on....See you don't even know who were are...cause we're not "real armenians". And if you think what part of the world you're from doesn't affect you, you're dreaming.


P.S. - I've also made clear made affections for our chain smoking moderator lol. And my girlfriend is a "mid-east" armo as well. And um.....I'm not blonde....

The whole post wasn't directed at you. And I am sorry if it came out that way. I've just been hearing a lot of stuff like that lately.

Who said anything about you guys not being real armenians? I just wanted to know which Armenians you categorized as "european armenians", that's all.

And of course the part of the world from where you come will affect you, I never denied that.

Here's an example for you: On our road home from Garni and Geghart last summer, our minibus in Armenia ran out of gas, and our group (comprised of Canadian-Armenians from Syria/Lebanon and Hayastantsis) finally got help from a passing mini-bus full of Armenians from Marseilles. And the fact that we all got along so well proves that no matter where you come from, you keep that distinct je ne sais quoi that makes you Armenian, and that gives you an automatic link with other Armenians. It is very very obvious.....but maybe more so when you witness it in Armenia, I don't know.

Actually, I haven't witnessed too many conflicts such as the ones you guys were previously talking about. In Montreal, we concentrate on other dumb issues, like which agoomp you go to.


But even there, things are improving, even quickly.

[anileve]

Originally posted by patlajan I've never been raised to not like any armenians. And no one has told me to keep stereotypes about certain types of armenians growing up, is my point. The euro armos are the romanhyes, bulgarahyes, the armos from greece (don't know how to say it) and so on....See you don't even know who were are...cause we're not "real armenians". And if you think what part of the world you're from doesn't affect you, you're dreaming.


P.S. - I've also made clear my affections lol for our chain smoking moderator. And my girlfriend is a "mid-east" armo as well. And um.....I'm not blonde....and um you know this? Was that rant even about me....I doubt it.

Wow patlajan, I am paralyzed, I can't believe what my eyes are witnessing. TWO WHOLE PARAGRAPHS???? Is this possible or am I hallucinating, I think the world is coming to an end. I think this calls for a bottle of Armenian cognac. As for my chain smoking habits, who told you about those?

I think that it's Anon who said that it's a purely Armenian trait of criticizing each other. And now that I've starting watching this more closely, I've realized that it's absolutely true. We are very intelligent people as well as “self-loving”, we love to display our devoted nationalism and our wisdom by pointing out the flaws in our country and lack of common sense in our people. It's almost like a self-fulfilling prophesy. Until we stop doing this, our inability to get along with each other (even if true) is going to continue in a vicious cycle. Look at jahan and her criticizm of everyone, she inflicted nothing but negativity and a display of how such disagreement and disdain for each other arises.

I started watching myself in what I say and have the most positive outlook on people in general, neglecting prejudice and stereotype all together and you know what it works. Now come children and give this old lady a hug!

[dstyle]

I have no problems with anybody based on where they are from.

[violette829]

Eek..The last time I made a joking comment about Armenians, Baron ripped me a new one...EEK


I love being Armenian! We are the best. There is "animosity" in every culture. Since we have individual families, and are raised different from everyone else, of course our views are going to differ. Living in different countries around the world, we have adapted to their culture, as well as keeping our own alive, so we are VERY different. But, it doesn't change the fact that we're Armenians. Ahh yes....the great Armenians.

As the talented boys of the rap band "Twinz"<~notice the Z instead of an S...verry clever....would say:

Armenians on the rise..
Everything is good (amen inch lava)

[Inna]

I always thought that Armenians got along just fine. At least for me thats how it has been...If I ever met an Armenian, we would start talking to eachother as though we've known eachother our whole life. There are a few people who think less of you for not being able to speak the language or for not being born in Armenia, but you just learn to ignore them and move on.