Why dont Armenians get along?

[Arvestaked]

(Patlajan: Greek-armenian is Hoonahye.
My maternal grandfather was from Greece.)

Unfortunately, I do believe there is an issue arising from birthplaces. Not always. But sometimes. And this is not speculative on my part but a matter of experience...

[Baron: were you there with LCO?]

...I went to Hyeastan for a month to do community service in Datev. I really got the feeling from some people there that they felt I was not Armenian or less so. It was a habit for the youth to refer to us as Amerigatsis which was unsettling. Not to mention that there were some that did not apprectiate what we were doing and instead felt the need to make us the butt of jokes. Now not everybody was like that, but it only takes a few before you start to feel alienated. I had made a good friend there, a Yerevantsi, during my stay. We were quite close until I left. Then he ripped me off and I never heard from him again. Does that ruin my view of all Yerevantsis? No. But does it make me question just how interested the different groups are in maintaining that connection? Yes. My feelings aren't based solely on that. But I know that even though I never think about Armenians in terms of where they are from others do. And it bothers me. Arevelahyeren or arevmdahyeren are not in competition. We all come from the same place and were torn apart; we did not run from eachother. Call it animosity or call it ignorance; there is something there that is not widespread, but has spread just enough that it causes concern. I think the fact that we have this topic shows that we are a group of people who do not make judgments that way or at least will think twice about it from now on. And even though I am sure I will truly hate a lot of you if I knew you, it is not because you are a different Armenian.

[Arvestaked]

Regarding appreciation:

There is a general attitude in Hyeastan that the Armenians from Europe are better or nicer than those from Armenia. And that is frustrating. They don't seem to realize that most of the aid money they get comes from the spyurkahyes in the United States and the only reason they see such little of it is because of their Hyeastansi leaders.

And that is another thing. How the fuhck are we suppose to progress if the political figures in Armenia are more concerned with their pockets as opposed to the wellfare of the country they represent?

[Arvestaked]

Regarding separation in Los Angeles:

It is very obvious in L.A. that there is a separation between the Armenians from the different parts of the world. And it can be shown geographically. The Hyeastantsis are all in Hollywood; the Barskahyes are mostly in Glendale, and the Beirutsis/Halebtsis are mostly in the Valley. I am sure that attitude exists else where but only L.A. has the land to make that separation visually obvious.

[Arvestaked]

Regarding niggerness:

Yes. Stop acting like you are black. No, it is not cool; it is insulting. You come from a rich culture and move to L.A. to regress into a state of apeness? Just because you listen to Tupac's dead and useless ahss and I listen to Pink Floyd does not make you more Armenian than me. Stop calling me whitewashed.

Some people build walls because they are fuhcking stupid and there is nothing we can do about it. We cannot walk around and stop Armenians on the street and try to make them realize how they are killing their culture.

Ask any of those rabiz bastards if they ever pop in a Komitas CD.

[Arvestaked]

Regarding feelings of diasporic superiority:

European Armenians are not more classy than those from other places. Let us get over that attitude as well.

The problem we have facing us is that such attitudes are going to grow and there is nothing we can do about it. As I said before, it is impossible to be able to talk to people from all parts of the world and try to make them understand just how destructive these attitudes are. I wish we could do something but I do not think we can. It is sad. I do not want to feel relief when I meet Armenians and get along with them; I would like to expect that.

Baron & Tigran: Maybe you two should work on an international non-profit organization that seeks to bring people together and educate them about how it is counterproductive to create such separation among ones brothers and sisters.

[Darorinag]

Originally posted by Arvestaked Regarding niggerness:

Yes. Stop acting like you are black. No, it is not cool; it is insulting. You come from a rich culture and move to L.A. to regress into a state of apeness? Just because you listen to Tupac's dead and useless ahss and I listen to Pink Floyd does not make you more Armenian than me. Stop calling me whitewashed.

Some people build walls because they are fuhcking stupid and there is nothing we can do about it. We cannot walk around and stop Armenians on the street and try to make them realize how they are killing their culture.

Ask any of those rabiz bastards if they ever pop in a Komitas CD.

Very well put!!! THank you!!!!

[Artsakhtsi]

Originally posted by Baron Dants Yay! We have reached a new high in pathetic posting material! Hooray for us!

The thread started out really well with somebody asking about the animosity between Armenians (a very bothersome issue, certainly worth discussing)...AND THEN, we start to blame Armenians from the Middle East because "us European Armenians get along fine"!! Am I the only one who sees the irony here?

Yes Patlajan, the water in the Middle East makes us agressive. That's why I, born in Syria (which happens to be in the Middle East) have among my best friends an Armenian from Egypt, one from Lebanon, one from Iran, one from Turkey, and while there aren't too many Hayastantsis in Montreal, I still keep in touch with the Hayastantsis I met in Hayastan (some of whom thought I was from Armenia) and I get along extremely well (maybe TOO well??) with Tigran, among others.

So what is your point exactly?

The cause for all of this is not which region one is from, it has more to do with some Armenians' upbringing and the stupid stereotypes they have formed on other regions, based solely on their laziness.

What the hell is a European Armenian anyways? It sounds as if you feel a greater sense of national belonging with Europeans (Swedes for example) than with "non European Armenian.

Give this bull up already. Oh, I'm an aryan Armenian....TRUE Armenians have blond hair...he has black hair, I'm a better Armenian....bla bla bla bla bla blaaaaaaaaa

So I don't care anymore.....just go have your Gudendagen sausages or whatever they're called with those polite Europeans....I'll have some nice khorovadz with intelligent Armenians from all over the world, who have noticed that being the small nation we are, not only MUST we stick together....we'll actually have a lot of fun doing so..

And yes, I am very very pissed right now...

Love you too!!!!! You always find the right words!!!!!!

Hayer lerek, amenes lavenkh!

[djp818]

Why dont Armenians get along? <----- this was meant as in the real world not just people in the forum.

[anileve]

Originally posted by djp818 Why dont Armenians get along? <----- this was meant as in the real world not just people in the forum.

That is what we meant as well.

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by violette829
As the talented boys of the rap band "Twinz"<~notice the Z instead of an S...verry clever....would say:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! You made my day! Best laugh I've had in a while.


But back to the topic, I forgot to mention that I agree with those who think that our problems aren't as serious as some would make it sound. Jews and Italians, among others, have problems that are waaaay bigger.

Arvestaked jan, our group (AGBU Montreal Venturers) organized our own project with Hay Oosanoghakan Jokatner from Armenia, which allowed us to work with the local students. I must say that I didn't witness any such attitudes, but I'll take your word for it. It's a shame though. I think it is more widespread in the older generation, than in the younger one. The younger generation seems to care a lot less about divisions created from place of birth, what agoomp, what goosagtsootyoon, and so on. It's a good trend, which will hopefully get better.