April 24

[xBaron Dants]

Actually, as much as I hate it, I'd take the rap music, simply because, as wrong as it is, it is not a clear attempt to stir commotion. God knows I love to create commotion and point to the problems Armenians and Armenian institutions have, but there is a time for everything, and this is not the time. Anyways, this question is too hypothetical. I still don't see how and why anyone would have to choose between rap music and the turkish flag.

We can take the Canadian flag because we "immigrants who don't belong in this country and don't deserve Canadian citizenship because we're immigrants" are citizens of Canada, and we want the Canadian government to take action, because it is "our" government.

Why is the turkish flag wrong? You already gave all the reasons. And who cares if you're born in Turkey? I'm born in Syria, I won't bring the Syrian flag. And denial by third parties such as Canada and the USA are not the same thing as denial by those who committed the crime.

[Darorinag]

We can take the Canadian flag because we "immigrants who don't belong in this country and don't deserve Canadian citizenship because we're immigrants" are citizens of Canada, and we want the Canadian government to take action, because it is "our" government.

So wanting the government to take action makes it OK to carry the flag? So what makes it wrong to carry the Turkish flag? Maybe people want to encourage the Turkish government to recognize the genocide? And there are many Armenians who are citizens of Turkey.

Why is the turkish flag wrong? You already gave all the reasons. And who cares if you're born in Turkey? I'm born in Syria, I won't bring the Syrian flag. And denial by third parties such as Canada and the USA are not the same thing as denial by those who committed the crime.

On the contrary. Denial by third parties is even worse than denial by the perpetrator of the crime. Denial by the perpetrator is only natural. Denial by those who are by-standers is worse because it involves politics and economics. Like the situation with the Canadian government... If Syria had a big role in the recognition of the genocide, I'm sure you would bring it.

But then again, people have made April 24 more of a day of hatred than commemoration... I am surprised you're one of them. There can be a million purposes/intentions for bringing a Turkish flag. Who are you to judge? Bringing the U.S flag is FAR more offensive, considering the fact that U.S.A, the "champion" of human rights, continues to deny that the genocide took place.

[xBaron Dants]

People bring the canadian flag as Canadians. I personally would never do so, because I do find it sort of irrelevent. If there are Turks, they can bring the Turkish flag.

And what April 24 has really become is a day of b!tching about every single thing that happens on April 24. B!tching to the point where people want to come with a turkish flag and wave it in front of a 93 year old genocide survivor's face because there are "plenty of good reasons" for it. The only honest reason anybody would bring a turkish flag is to wave it around and impatiently look at everyone's face and wait for them to get angry and then feel all proud inside. "Whoop-dee-doo! That old lady who's been marching with a cane for an hour is now offended! This is so cool!"

I don't hate anything except the denialist policies of the turkish, israeli and american governments. And while April 24 is a day of commemoration, it certainly does not equal "day of respect for the turkish government".

And for a man who has made 365 days of his life days of hatred of anything not white, I'm surprised you are actually also against hatred.

[jilbagh]

Why not burn the turkish flag?...is there a difference in design of the ottoman turkish flag and the current day turkish flag?

[Darorinag]

And for a man who has made 365 days of his life days of hatred of anything not white, I'm surprised you are actually also against hatred.

There's a time for everything. A time for hatred and a time for other things, such as commemoration. While I do feel hatred a lot of the time, I try not to make a commemoration day a day of hatred. Imagine what it would be like to go to a candlelight vigil in memory of for example, someone who had committed suicide, and shout out and say how cowardly it is. Even if I think suicide is a coward's act (I don't - just saying hypothetically), I wouldn't do that, because it's inappropriate. And I already stated that I wouldn't wave the Turkish flag. But if it comes down to choosing between the two, I'd choose the second one, because there are many purposes to it, such as burning the flag... Besides, Baron, I never said YOU were the one who was holding the Canadian flag or the U.S. flag. But many people do. And I think that's even more offensive than waving the Turkish flag. To me anyway. Not anymore the case with the Canadian flag though, as they recognized the genocide (despite the fact that Mr. Bill Graham has decided that the parliament isn't the official voice of the government...... )

If USA recognizes the Armenian genocide, Turkey will soon have to recognize it. Why? Because if USA recognizes it, it means that the Jews have allowed it, and the two biggest allies of Turkey having recognized it, I don't think Turkey would be able to stand on its own and deny the genocide...

[Ducati]

but keep in mind, im pretty sure the US doesnt give much for armenia..

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

OK, i would like to give two thumbs up for Canada, for accepting the Genocide. Now I will talk about the genocide to clear some things up for some people. I was always wondering why people dont understand the purpose of protests, now I have to talk and explain in brief why we need the protest. the whole idea of participting in April 24 protest is to show that we're still here, we still have voice, we still remember, and we will never will shut up until our voice will be heard. We protest for justice not because we were poor and we got killed from turks. Remembering this mourning day is to teach our future Hye generations to know what happened to us in past and do not allow it in the future. Im always going to say this genocide protest is not for reasons to make others to feel sorry for us, thats not the goal, but we fight for our rights, and we need JUStICE!!!!!! we fight for Justice and if it's necessary we will die for justice. April 24's significance is to remember the past and based on past to create better future.

I am PROUD TO BE ARMENIAN

[leo007]

Just out of curiosity, leo, which would you rather do? The rap music or the flag?

I wouldn't want to do either of them. I think they're both stupid.

[leo007]

Did you end up doing it?

[Darorinag]

Doing what?

And I'm talking about a hypothetical situation in which you MUST choose one or the other.