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Originally posted by AnonymouseIsn't chikufteh Arabic or Turkish or something?most of it is not definitely true.
these cultures, armenian, turkish, arabic, persian, greek, etc. all these cultures have progressed thru history together. ppl have been travelling from one country to the other for longer than the actual countries have existed.. so for most of these things, its impossible to tell which culture it originally comes from.... food, art, music, they were all shaped in this "cradle" of civilizations.
keufteh, lahmajoun, baklava, soudjouk, basterma...... the drbek, ud, zurna, duduk, saz, bouzouki, davul (which is called "dhol" in armenian... the word "davul" in turkish means simply "drum"... so we can see at least where the name of this thing came from).... its almost impossible to say which specific countries things like these originally came from because they have been swapped back & forth for thousands of years.
but we as armenians just LOVE insisting that it ALL came from us & that it was stolen from our culture & "turkicized"... they werent stolen, morons, they have existed in more than one of these cultures long enuf that nobody (none of us, at least) can pinpoint where any of them came from first. but we will probably continue trying to convince everybody that everything came from armenians.... wont we... & it will be fun (i know, i do it too!!)
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Originally posted by Tres BienHAHA...we dont say chikufta in armenian, but in armenian we say something like Koftah /kufteh/ kftov (-shila). dont even go there saying if its armenian or arabic, shame on you. lol
i didn't want another stupid debate what word is armenian and what isn't, that has gotten old.
now do you like it gedzou or not?
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Kyufteh, kofteh, kufta, etc.
It is not of any one language. It is an Indo-European word. Indians (if you go to and Indian retaurant, you will notice) use the same word. They also share our word for cheese: paneer/baneer. It happens many times where different languages have a developement of the same word to express the same thing. This should not be a surprise. Just for fun: how do you express "you" in Spanish and how do you express "you" in Armenian? It should also not be a surprise that we borrow words from Turkish or Arabic because we have been surrounded by those languages for so long. That does not mean that the concept we are expressing originated from that culture. Hell, some Arabic dialects have Turkish mixed in even though Arabs have been settled for so much longer. Remember that Turks had an Empire.
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Originally posted by ardenikbut we as armenians just LOVE insisting that it ALL came from us & that it was stolen from our culture & "turkicized"... they werent stolen, morons, they have existed in more than one of these cultures long enuf that nobody (none of us, at least) can pinpoint where any of them came from first.
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