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  • #41
    "Western Armenian: desnoom es? executive producer-i yerrort ognakane hay e!!! ed inch lav baner enk anum!! "

    I think the Western Armenian sounds more like: Ge desnes gor? Executive producer-i yerrort oknagane hay e. As inch lav paner genek gor.

    :-) Don't forget the gor's
    The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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    • #42
      lol, it can work perfectly well without the gor-s too. :P

      And you forgot the davay-s...hehe

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      • #43
        Ok now it is official! I am completely and utterly confused with the structure of Western Armenian, to me it just doesn't make sense. Baron if not for your translation to the "normal" Armenian, I would have not known the meaning of that sentence. What is a "gor" and "genek"? Are those names of Turkish drinks? *WARNING*: DO NOT EVEN THINK OF STARTING A DEBATE ON GENOCIDE IN REGARDS TO THIS COMMENT! THIS COMMENT WAS THROWN IN SIMPLY FOR AN EFFECT!*WARNING*

        Isn't "davay" a russian word? I have noticed Turks using it as well.

        Tigran "mrutet utem" with that "Vay!", except I don't really favor that "ara", it's a little too rabiz for me.

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        • #44
          kurro jan rabiz is what i am

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          • #45
            Originally posted by anileve
            Ok now it is official! I am completely and utterly confused with the structure of Western Armenian, to me it just doesn't make sense. Baron if not for your translation to the "normal" Armenian, I would have not known the meaning of that sentence. What is a "gor" and "genek"? Are those names of Turkish drinks? *WARNING*: DO NOT EVEN THINK OF STARTING A DEBATE ON GENOCIDE IN REGARDS TO THIS COMMENT! THIS COMMENT WAS THROWN IN SIMPLY FOR AN EFFECT!*WARNING*

            Isn't "davay" a russian word? I have noticed Turks using it as well.

            Tigran "mrutet utem" with that "Vay!", except I don't really favor that "ara", it's a little too rabiz for me.
            Gor is turkish, and davay is russian. Point is, both aren't armenian.
            There is nothing too complicated about the western armenian dialect.
            Inch genes? = inch es anoom
            basically, in western armenian, the "oom em" ending is taken out and replaced by the "g".
            examples:
            ge khagham = khaghoom em
            ge vajarem = vajaroom em
            gaghotem = aghotoom em

            there are, of course, a few exceptions as:
            gertam = gnoom em

            "gor" is a suffix that many have added, but you can speak the western armenian dialect without using it. I am trying to take it out of my vocabulary, and have been succesful so far.

            Any further questions?

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            • #46
              I guess I should also tell you how it works in the first, second and third persions.

              khaghoom em = ge khagham
              khaghoom es = ge khaghas
              khaghoom a = ge khagha
              khaghoom enk = ge khaghank
              khaghoom ek = ge khaghak
              khaghoom en = ge khaghan
              As you can see, the last letters are very similar. And "ge" is not to be read like GEntani, the "e" is the same as in "Endzoughd", for example.

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              • #47
                I guess I should also tell you how it works in the first, second and third persions.

                khaghoom em = ge khagham
                khaghoom es = ge khaghas
                khaghoom a = ge khagha
                khaghoom enk = ge khaghank
                khaghoom ek = ge khaghak
                khaghoom en = ge khaghan
                As you can see, the last letters are very similar. And "ge" is not to be read like GEntani, the "e" is the same as in "Endzoughd", for example.

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                • #48
                  Nice 'translation' lesson baron. thanks! I can understand both western and eastern Armenian, I don't understand why some people don't get it. Maybe we all talk too fast and mix in turkish and/or russian. who knows? anyway. Is barsgahayeren much different from eastern armenian? or is it just that barsgahaye's talk in arevelahayeren and elongate words as they do??
                  The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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                  • #49
                    Once I remember trying to communicate with my Romanian-Armenian dentist. She asked me:

                    "Hayeren ge khosik?"
                    Since the phrase is familiar to me, but incorrect in Eastern Armenian structure, I calmly responded:

                    "Ayo, Hayeren khosumem, buyts yes hamozvatsem vor duk im hayerens chek haskana"

                    She gave me a blank stare and said in her light Romanian-Armenian accent:

                    "So where do you work?"

                    Just then I realized that I was absolutely correct in my prediction.

                    So you see ckBejug, it is not only me that doesn't understand, it's also visa versa. The structure in both dialects is different; Western Armenians use MANY Turkish words, where as Eastern use many Russian. However, I must say that real literary Eastern avoids involvement with Russian words all together; it is as pure as the Armenian language gets.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by anileve
                      Once I remember trying to communicate with my Romanian-Armenian dentist. She asked me:

                      "Hayeren ge khosik?"
                      Since the phrase is familiar to me, but incorrect in Eastern Armenian structure, I calmly responded:

                      "Ayo, Hayeren khosumem, buyts yes hamozvatsem vor duk im hayerens chek haskana"

                      She gave me a blank stare and said in her light Romanian-Armenian accent:

                      "So where do you work?"

                      Just then I realized that I was absolutely correct in my prediction.

                      So you see ckBejug, it is not only me that doesn't understand, it's also visa versa. The structure in both dialects is different; Western Armenians use MANY Turkish words, where as Eastern use many Russian. However, I must say that real literary Eastern avoids involvement with Russian words all together; it is as pure as the Armenian language gets.
                      Interesting story. It's a shame that she didn't understand what you were talking about, and that you probably wouldn't have understood anything she would've said later on. Oh well.

                      Same with western armenian, literary western armenian uses only pure armenian too (Baronian's depiction of bolsahayootyoon obviously doesn't count). What I have noticed is that in eastern armenian, many people will say that a car is called a "mekena" or an "avtomekena", while a western armenian will usually say "inknasharj". I was also shocked to see that on the armenian dram bills, it was the word "bank", and not "tramadoon". According to my armenian encyclopaedia father (how DO YOU write that word?!?), western armenian is closer to grapar armenian (old one, in Mashdots times) than eastern is. Bottom line is (for me anyways) both dialects can be beaaautiful, and both can be destroyed. It's up to us to master both.

                      Also, pleaaaase refrain from using the word "normal" instead of "eastern". Makes it sound like I talk an alien dialect.

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