Algerian Genocide ??

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quote; siamanto (or real koylu)

2- The French, on many occasions, have apologized. Only a week ago, the French Government officially apologized

but they did not recognize

3- The French are not continuing to occupy Algerian lands. (*urks are still infesting our lands!)

whatta hell armenians doing on azeri lands????

4- Algerians, and North Africans in general, hate and dislike the *urks for the same reasons Armenians do! Yes, in a way Armenians and Algerians - among many others - have both experienced the atrocities and barbarism of *urks.

you are cool liar man. Algeria defences turk's situation about genocides, if you would follow daily news maybe you could learn... damn it you are pleasing yourself, carry on... whatta lie...

[winoman]

whatta hell armenians doing on azeri lands????

Please subtitute Turks for "armenians" and Armenians for "Azeri" in the above quote...

emachine - you are incredibly stupid. Have you no conception of the history of the Krarabagh war and the massacres of Armenians that preceeded it? Do you have no clue as to why Armenia had to establish a corridor and perimeter around that vulnerable valley? Are you not aware of the continued call for war and the use of such sentiments to rally the Azeri population and divert its attention from the corruption and failing of the Alieve dynasty?

Before you blame the Armenians for anything that they might do to ensure their own defense and security from depravations please examine the history of such things perpetuated against the Armenians. When your Turkic peoples come to terms with how they massacred and abused the Armenians and come begging on their knees with apology to us then we can talk about return of territories and diologue with the likes of you. Until then we will defend ourselves with every means possible.

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well winoman, today Armenia is Armenia, Azerbaijan is Azerbajian, Turkey is Turkey. we cant change this.

you, me, they, we all got lands with bloody wars, had independence and it has finished! if Turkey sends troops in North Iraq, it is an occupation.

or Turkey occupated Cyprus in 70's and still under the Turkish occupation! but people doesnt says "Do you know Cyprus history" as you say "Do you know Karabaks history'"

it is OCCUPATION, and countries recognize it as Occupation. what is my stupitness? it is technically occupation...

[Siamanto]

2- The French, on many occasions, have apologized. Only a week ago, the French Government officially apologized

but they did not recognize

The last time that the French government officially recognized France's wrongdoings and asked for forgivenees was only less than two weeks ago.
The face of ignorance is really hideous and ugly. Of course, only a *urk wears a more hideous face than ignorance.

By the way, didn't you state your lack of knowledge on the subject?

i have no much info about... just following some news...

3- The French are not continuing to occupy Algerian lands. (*urks are still infesting our lands!)

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

whatta hell armenians doing on azeri lands????

Koylu, I love your provinicial "logic???" - or the lack of it!
Is this about the French or the Armenians?

Note: Azeris and *urks have NO lands West of the Caspian! Armenians are not occupying Azeri lands; they have liberated Armenian lands.

4- Algerians, and North Africans in general, hate and dislike the *urks for the same reasons Armenians do! Yes, in a way Armenians and Algerians - among many others - have both experienced the atrocities and barbarism of *urks.

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

you are cool liar man. Algeria defences turk's situation about genocides, if you would follow daily news maybe you could learn... damn it you are pleasing yourself, carry on... whatta lie...

I'm gathering that you've seldom - probably never - been around Algerians or North Africans! You've neither been to North Africa.
Again, take a look at a mirror to contemplate the ugliness of ignorance! Unfortunately, the hideous face of a *urk that you're wearing may be eclipsing the ugliness of your ignorance!

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[Siamanto]

The following excerpt from an article by Albert Camus, published in 1955, shows clearly that the situation was different between Armenians and Algerians. The French Society and the press were divided on the issue; was it the case in the Ottoman Empire?
About a million French used to live in Algeria and for the most did not want to live the country and they were not necessarily in favor of the war.


The following is an automatic translation. The original French text can be found on http://hypo.ge-dip.etat-ge.ch/www/cl...ependance.html
The site includes a brief chronology and many interesting excerpts from disparate sources.
http://www.systranbox.com/ can be used to translate the entire page.


ALBERT CAMUS DEFENDS The FRENCH Of ALGERIA


"Between the metropolis and the French of Algeria, the ditch
was never larger. To speak initially about the metropolis, all occurs
like if the right lawsuit, makes finally on our premises with the
policy of colonization, had been extended to all the French who live
over there. To read a certain press, it would really seem that Algeria
is populated of a million colonists with riding crop and cigar,
assembled on Cadillac. (...)

80% of the French of Algeria are not colonists, but employees
or tradesmen. The standard of living of the employees, although higher
than that of the Arabs, is lower than that of the metropolis. Two
examples will show it. The SMIG is fixed ata rate definitely low than
that of the most underprivileged zones of the metropolis. Moreover, as
regards welfare benefits, a father of family of three children
perceives about 7200 franks against 19000 in France. Here
profiteurs of colonization (...)

The successive governments of the metropolis, supported on the
comfortable indifference of the press and the public opinion, assisted
by the kindness of the legislators, are the first and truths
responsible for the current disaster. They are guiltier in any case
than these hundreds of thousands of French workers who survive
themselves in Algeria with starvation wages, which, three times in
thirty years, took the weapons to assist from the metropolis and which
is seen rewarded today by the contempt for helped. They are guiltier
than these populations Jewish, wedged since years between the French
anti-semitism and mistrust Arab, and reduced today, by the
indifference of our opinion, to ask refuge in another State that
French.

Thus let us recognize good once that the fault is collective here
(...) large, a bright repair must be made, in my opinion, with the
Arab people. But by very whole France and not with the blood of the
French of Algeria. That it highly is said, and those, I know, will not
refuse it to collaborate, over their prejudices, with the construction
of new Algeria "

Albert Camus, "good conscience", in the Express train, October


ALBERT CAMUS DÉFEND LES FRANÇAIS D'ALGÉRIE


« Entre la métropole et les Français d'Algérie, le fossé n'a jamais été plus grand. Pour parler d'abord de la métropole, tout se passe comme si le juste procès, fait enfin chez nous à la politique de colonisation, avait été étendu à tous les Français qui vivent là-bas. A lire une certaine presse, il semblerait vraiment que l'Algérie soit peuplée d'un million de colons à cravache et à cigare, montés sur Cadillac. (...)

80% des Français d'Algérie ne sont pas des colons, mais des salariés ou des commerçants. Le niveau de vie des salariés, bien que supérieur à celui des Arabes, est inférieur à celui de la métropole. Deux exemples le montreront. Le SMIG est fixé à un taux nettement plus bas que celui des zones les plus défavorisées de la métropole. De plus, en matière d'avantages sociaux, un père de famille de trois enfants perçoit à peu près 7200 francs contre 19000 en France. Voici les profiteurs de la colonisation. (...)

Les gouvernements successifs de la métropole, appuyés sur la confortable indifférence de la presse et de l'opinion publique, secondés par la complaisance des législateurs, sont les premiers et les vrais responsables du désastre actuel. Ils sont plus coupables en tout cas que ces centaines de milliers de travailleurs français qui se survivent en Algérie avec des salaires de misère, qui, trois fois en trente ans, ont pris les armes pour venir au secours de la métropole et qui se voient récompensés aujourd'hui par le mépris des secourus. Ils sont plus coupables que ces populations juives, coincées depuis des années entre l'antisémitisme français et la méfiance arabe, et réduites aujourd'hui, par l'indifférence de notre opinion, à demander refuge à un autre Etat que le français.

Reconnaissons donc une bonne fois que la faute est ici collective. (...) Une grande, une éclatante réparation doit être faite, selon moi, au peuple arabe. Mais par la France toute entière et non avec le sang des Français d'Algérie. Qu'on le dise hautement, et ceux-ci, je le sais, ne refuseront pas de collaborer, par-dessus leurs préjugés, à la construction d'une Algérie nouvelle. »

Albert Camus, « La bonne conscience », in L'Express, 21 octobre 1955.
21, 1955.

[winoman]

it is OCCUPATION, and countries recognize it as Occupation. what is my stupitness? it is technically occupation...

Stop whining loser! Your friends the Azeris began this - attempted to force their will on a neighboring state - Nagaroh Karabagh - and lost!

Technically there is still a state of war. The status of these captured lands is still up for negotiation - and Armenia has repeatedly offered to deal (with entirely resonable proposals that are the proper solution considering the Azeri aggression). They are willing to give back most all captured lands as long as the Azeris will give guarrantees that they will not attack the Armenians of Artsakh (the Independent nation of Nagaroh-Karabagh) - Azerbaijan - with its imperial ambition for this Armenian territory (a legitimate independent state by virtue of a succesful legaly binding referendum from the Soviet Union declaring itself such [prior to the existance of the legal state called Azerbaijan BTW!] and by virtue of a succesful campign againt a foriegn aggressor - Azerbaijan - to subjegate it) - Azerbaijan will not give up its imperial ambition and continues to rattle the swords of conquest (mostly to divert the populations attention away from the doings and failings of the corrupt and totolitarian Alieve dynasty). Thus 100% of the blame for this situation falls on the Azeris - so your move...we are happy with the status quo.

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siamanto says

You've neither been to North Africa.
Again, take a look at a mirror to contemplate the ugliness of ignorance! Unfortunately, the hideous face of a *urk that you're wearing may be eclipsing the ugliness of your ignorance!

i look at the mirror and i think im better than this armenian gays;

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Stop whining loser! Your friends the Azeris began this - attempted to force their will on a neighboring state - Nagaroh Karabagh - and lost!

Technically there is still a state of war. The status of these captured lands is still up for negotiation - and Armenia has repeatedly offered to deal (with entirely resonable proposals that are the proper solution considering the Azeri aggression). They are willing to give back most all captured lands as long as the Azeris will give guarrantees that they will not attack the Armenians of Artsakh (the Independent nation of Nagaroh-Karabagh) - Azerbaijan - with its imperial ambition for this Armenian territory (a legitimate independent state by virtue of a succesful legaly binding referendum from the Soviet Union declaring itself such [prior to the existance of the legal state called Azerbaijan BTW!] and by virtue of a succesful campign againt a foriegn aggressor - Azerbaijan - to subjegate it) - Azerbaijan will not give up its imperial ambition and continues to rattle the swords of conquest (mostly to divert the populations attention away from the doings and failings of the corrupt and totolitarian Alieve dynasty). Thus 100% of the blame for this situation falls on the Azeris - so your move...we are happy with the status quo.

man something hurts you, anyway Armenians gonna give Karabakh back to Azeris =)) it'll hurt you more =))

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you still couldnt realize search engines system...
it recognizes by words.

Type: Turkish Gay , aight
shows results and there are something like

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galleries and links.

shows rexxxxs of onlyy the Turkish word. in many pages. or shows like;

Arama.Com
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www.arama.com/index.php3?catid=400 - 22k -

recognizes other search engines. this result doesnt surprises me.
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