Defacing the American Flag

[jahannam]

EYE care.. it's gonna help me understand the given issues better.
and plus.. no one was asking YOU.

[surferarmo]

Jahannam, as far as I am concerned, no one asked anyone to be on this forum. No one especially asked you. So respect what people have to say, stay on topic, or bail. You are nothing but scum that turns quality threads into an insulting, thread riddled with jokes and horrible attempts at humor. I do that with my friends when I am piss drunk. You are either a 7th grader trying to play with the big kids in the forum, or an alcoholic.

Back to the point. Defacing any flag is wrong, but why has authorities, and Universities allowed the defamation of American flag burning?

[Shangh_Hye]

jahannam, As far as I know all "nations" have physical boundaries that separate them from others...therefore the more technical term "country" comes into play...even states or "nation states" have some geographical limits...if they didnt there would be no way to say that here is Canada and here is the US (for example)...it would be all mixed up...there must be some structure and organization to the different kinds of people on this earth and their place of origin...everyone seems to accept that besides Anon...

[jahannam]

although I'm not a 7th grader... I must admit that I drink 3 bottles of vodka on a daily basis.
I can't believe you cought me.

back to the topic.
I thought your question was: why the FLYING of a flag isn't protected?
cuz I did give you an answer about the burning.

[surferarmo]

jahannam, As far as I know all "nations" have physical boundaries that separate them from others...therefore the more technical term "country" comes into play...even states or "nation states" have some geographical limits...if they didnt there would be no way to say that here is Canada and here is the US (for example)...it would be all mixed up...there must be some structure and organization to the different kinds of people on this earth and their place of origin...everyone seems to accept that besides Anon...

Anon realizes that, he is just realizing that it is something we created.

[jahannam]

jahannam, As far as I know all "nations" have physical boundaries that separate them from others...therefore the more technical term "country" comes into play...even states or "nation states" have some geographical limits...if they didnt there would be no way to say that here is Canada and here is the US (for example)...it would be all mixed up...there must be some structure and organization to the different kinds of people on this earth and their place of origin...everyone seems to accept that besides Anon...

the kurds don't have a country as we speak.
are they not considered a nation?

[surferarmo]

jahannam, As far as I know all "nations" have physical boundaries that separate them from others...therefore the more technical term "country" comes into play...even states or "nation states" have some geographical limits...if they didnt there would be no way to say that here is Canada and here is the US (for example)...it would be all mixed up...there must be some structure and organization to the different kinds of people on this earth and their place of origin...everyone seems to accept that besides Anon...

the kurds don't have a country as we speak.
are they not considered a nation?

Regaurdless, there is a plot of land where they congregate. Or there is an area where Kurds are more dense.

[Shangh_Hye]

We'll of cource we created them..who else would of...i dont know what exaclty hes arguing now... :? ...I thought he was saying that national borders are just immaginary...

3 bottles of Vodka every day? hmmm...

[Shangh_Hye]

Kurds? They are type of people...a ethnic group...who may of had their own land at one time...just like gypsies...they are not recognized as a true nation...but a collective of people with the same cultural heritage...and yes they still do have some borders...they stay in particular area (north Iraq) and therefore know their boundaries (although not official)...

[sSsflamesSs]

If you decided to live in this nation...you should not be discracing its symbols...then youre just discracing yourself...BTW, same goes for the eagle thing...

That's my point. If you choose to live here, then have respect for it.

I still don't understand why surferarmo said he would get arrested if he defamed a foreign nation's flag on US soil.

So you're saying to have respect for something illusory?

The nations, boundaries and its symbols are all illusory and only exist with faith that it means something.

I guess I'm not a faithful person.

Thats ridiculous...since when are Nations illusory?... If someone asks you where you live what do you tell them?...Planet Earth? Nations are not religion to have a faith in pal...they exist and you are bound by their boundaries whether you choose to belive or not...its this kind of loose-ended thinking that gets people into trouble...

I might be straying a bit.. but can you guys clarify what you mean when you say nation? I think shang and flames are a kinda off...
cuz nation is the group of peopleas opposed to the country or the actual geographic area...
so shanghye... when someone asks you about where you live...they're not asking about nations... they're asking you about the place...

Nations are like a thick band of wires. It's ridiculously easy to bend one wire, but when you put together a whole band of them, it's not so easy to bend them anymore. Therefore, nations provide us with security.

That is an anology I used in a previous post of mine, comparing the people of a nation to wires. It gets the point across.

I don't think I'm off in the definition of a nation.