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  • #1

    Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

    as state.

    http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-31028.html (Organization of Islamic Conference convened in Cairo and after much lobbying by Turkey declared Turkish Cypriot a "state")

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slides...8496987a05966/ (first visit by Greek premier to Turkey in almost half a century on 1/23/08 - photo of Erdogan and Karamanlis fielding question about divided Cyprus during joint press conference)

    http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...rn-cyprus.html (Schroeder was a strong supporter of Turkey and Turkish Cypriots during his tenurer as German Chancellor; article discusses recent history re: divided Cyprus)

    http://www.financialmirror.com/more_...44&nt=Politics (Candidate for presidency of Greek Cypriot vows to meet with Turkish Cypriot leader Talat upon being elected to discuss negotiated settlement of divided Cyprus)

    http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/def...azette&he=.com (Current Cypriot president Papadopoulos rules out birth of 'virgin' state)

    This issue brings to the surface an interesting question:

    When does a self-ruled region (e.g. Kurdistan, Democratic Republic of Armenia of 1918-1920, NKR) become a state?

    1. When leaders of the region and their constituents declare there land to be a state when no other nations explicitly consent to said declaration?

    2. When some nations declare the region to be a state but the self-ruled region is not joined in the declaration.

    3. When some nations declare the region to be a state and the self-ruled region is joined in the declaration.

    4. When all existing nations declare the region to be a state.
    Between childhood, boyhood,
    adolescence
    & manhood (maturity) there
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    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
    stories, songs & judgements

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    Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

    The only reason why Turkish Cyprus existes is of the Turkish army on the island. if the Turks retreave their army there will be no Turkish Cyprus.

    Kurdistan will never become a real independent state, at the first the people ar too divided they don't know what they want. And the powers in the region don't want to see a independent Kurdish state. I think Kosovo would become faster independent than Kurdistan.

    Artsakh is independent because it can protect it's borers without help for outside, it has is own military capable of protecting it's people. It has it's own economie. Kurdistan or Cyprus doesn't have those factors so you can't count those as real states.

    And Armenia was created on the battlefield do you think Armenia would existe now if those battles hadn't been won. Do you think Armenia would have existed if men like Andranik and Dro hadn't protected our borders back than.

    And a nation is independent when the people and the goverment of the nation declare it self independent and they can protect their independense. And not when people acknoldge their state.

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      Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

      Pan-Armenian.net is reporting that the OIC declaration also touched on the NKR conflict and condemned Armenia's occupation of portions of Azerbaijan. http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=24733
      Between childhood, boyhood,
      adolescence
      & manhood (maturity) there
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      Tests, deaths, feats, rites
      stories, songs & judgements

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        Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

        From what I understand, Artsakh's status as an independent country or unincorporated Armenian territory under self-rule, is hotly debated within Armenia.

        I contend that while an island may be a country, a country is not an island. Does Artsakh have formal relations with any country other than Armenia? And, I suspect Russian and Armenian forces in Armenia are defending Artsakh's borders as much as its residents. So to say that Artsakh is an independent state "because it can protect it's borers without help for outside, it has is own military capable of protecting it's people. It has it's own economie" and is a little over-reaching - which nations does Artsakh conduct commerce with?

        And, when Armenian forces compelled a dying Ottoman Turkey to sign the Treaty of Batum in 1918 concluding the Turkish-Armenian War, the Democratic Republic of Armenia (DRA), no disrespect to Dro or Andranik intended, could more specifically be identified as a self-ruled region not an independent nation.

        Our shortlived reign as a nation in the early portion of the 20th century which was memorialized by the Treaty of Sevres was basically over when the ink dried. We were intended beneficiaries of the treaty but we were not a party to it? Why?

        Then, the allied and associated forces withdrew and we were annexed in the Soviet Republic.

        What happened to defending our borders when we became a country?

        Per William Saroyan, all our wars were lost...Who am I or you to disagree with Mr. Saroyan?
        Last edited by freakyfreaky; 02-04-2008, 04:36 PM.
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        adolescence
        & manhood (maturity) there
        should be sharp lines drawn w/
        Tests, deaths, feats, rites
        stories, songs & judgements

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          Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

          Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
          From what I understand, Artsakh's status as an independent country or unincorporated Armenian territory under self-rule, is hotly debated within Armenia.

          I contend that while an island may be a country, a country is not an island. Does Artsakh have formal relations with any country other than Armenia? And, I suspect Russian and Armenian forces in Armenia are defending Artsakh's borders as much as its residents. So to say that Artsakh is an independent state "because it can protect it's borers without help for outside, it has is own military capable of protecting it's people. It has it's own economie" and is a little over-reaching - which nations does Artsakh conduct commerce with?
          You're wrong there are no Armenian soldiers protecting Artsakhs borders, nor there are any Russian forces. Only Artskahs military is protecting it's borders. And it's conducting trade with Armenia, Russia, Abkhazia and other states lying near it.

          And, when Armenian forces compelled a dying Ottoman Turkey to sign the Treaty of Batum in 1918 concluding the Turkish-Armenian War, the Democratic Republic of Armenia (DRA), no disrespect to Dro or Andranik intended, could more specifically be identified as a self-ruled region not an independent nation.

          Our shortlived reign as a nation in the early portion of the 20th century which was memorialized by the Treaty of Sevres was basically over when the ink dried. We were intended beneficiaries of the treaty but we were not a party to it? Why?

          Then, the allied and associated forces withdrew and we were annexed in the Soviet Republic.

          What happened to defending our borders when we became a country?

          Per William Saroyan, all our wars were lost...Who am I or you to disagree with Mr. Saroyan?
          We were fighting a war on two fronts after we had been fighting with Vrastan and Azerbaijan. Armenia was quite capable in defending it's borders even destroyed Turkishs armies on the field. After many years of war the resources are gone, the citizens are starving. So it's time to stop the war and that was the time that Armenia was anex by the soviets so it could fall under Turkish rule.

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            Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

            How many troops does Artsakh have? And, are there any formal trade agreements or is this just humanitarian aid being provided to the inhabitants by neighboring countries?
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            adolescence
            & manhood (maturity) there
            should be sharp lines drawn w/
            Tests, deaths, feats, rites
            stories, songs & judgements

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            • #7
              Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

              Karo jan, just remember that you are talking to a Freaky Idiot...

              Did he just say - "Russian forces are protecting Artsakh's borders"

              That's as good as - "my grandfather consulted with Khrimian Hayrik"

              Or this one - "Per William Saroyan, all our wars were lost...Who am I or you to disagree with Mr. Saroyan?"

              What a absolute freak...
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                Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

                Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
                How many troops does Artsakh have? And, are there any formal trade agreements or is this just humanitarian aid being provided to the inhabitants by neighboring countries?
                They have rond 40.000 men ready for battle and as far as I know they aren't getting that much humanitarian aid. I never heard that they even got'n any at the first place. And those agreemnts are real they are exporting barrewels for winemaking for exemple.

                Karo jan, just remember that you are talking to a Freaky Idiot...

                Did he just say - "Russian forces are protecting Artsakh's borders"

                That's as good as - "my grandfather consulted with Khrimian Hayrik"

                Or this one - "Per William Saroyan, all our wars were lost...Who am I or you to disagree with Mr. Saroyan?"

                What a absolute freak...
                I'm not forgetting that and he's the first Armenian I've ever met who knows so little about our country and about Artsakh

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                • #9
                  Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

                  The issue of whether NKR is an independent state or a self-ruled territory of Armenia is still in dispute in Armenia. Some in Armenia want to give it back, some want it to be incorporated into Armenia and others want it to become a state.

                  But, if these are native Armenian homelands, then how can it be an state independent of Armenia?

                  The fate of NKR is as much to be determined by odars as it is by NKR leaders.

                  No, there are no Armenian troops protecting Artsakh. http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=20854

                  No, there is no humanitarian aid to NKR. http://www.anca.org/hill_staff/posit...rs.php?ppid=12

                  If it wasn't for volunteer freedom fighters, there would likely be no NKR to speak of in the first place. These fighters came from places outside of NKR as much as they were NKR inhabitants. Some of them actually fought and led Armenian troops.

                  What are you two talking about?

                  Armenian and Karothegreat go to great lengths to prove that they are actually Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Fight on axis of stupidity, fight on!

                  What planet do you two incorrigible peasants reside on?
                  Last edited by freakyfreaky; 02-04-2008, 05:30 PM.
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                  adolescence
                  & manhood (maturity) there
                  should be sharp lines drawn w/
                  Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                  stories, songs & judgements

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                  • #10
                    Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

                    Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
                    Some in Armenia want to give it back
                    This is another good one

                    Can you please tell me what organization, what institution, what entity, what official, what representative wants to do this?

                    But, if these are native Armenian homelands, then how can it be an state independent of Armenia?
                    Stupid, if Austrians are Germans how can Austria be independent of Germany?

                    Stupid, if Jordanians are Arabs how can Jordan be independent of Saudi Arabians?

                    You are absolutely freaky

                    The fate of NKR is as much to be determined by odars as it is by NKR leaders.
                    Stupid, fate of anything on earth is not in the hands of any one entity.

                    No, there are no Armenian troops protecting Artsakh. http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=20854
                    Stupid, read what you wrote - "Russians protecting Artsakh's borders"

                    Stupid, caught with your pants down again. And again you are acting like a little whining bitch.
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