Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

[crusader1492]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

Does anyone know what is the point of this discussion? What exactly is the freaky idiot attempting to say? I simply don't get it

He is quite the jerk-off, isn't he.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

Does anyone know what is the point of this discussion? What exactly is the freaky idiot attempting to say? I simply don't get it

The discussion is about that Freaky the American doesn't believe or can't understand that Artsakh is a independent country. He thinks it's a part of the Armenian republic.

[Selpak]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

Turkish Cypriot's situation before EOKA is not same with Armenians in Karabagh. Turks and Greeks were founder of the Cyprus Republic. Turkey and Greece were guarantor countries...

Since you give the tone of the game in 1992.... be patient till Kosova declares her independence. I guess it will change many things in the world and maybe you will have opportunity to create "good Turks" as you describe in your sig.

[Armenian]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

The discussion is about that Freaky the American doesn't believe or can't understand that Artsakh is a independent country. He thinks it's a part of the Armenian republic.

OK, but what is the point? I don't understand it? Are we arguing over geopolitical semantics? For all intents and purposes, Arstakh is both, an independent nation and a part of Armenia. But why are we even discussing this?

[Artsakh]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

OK, but what is the point? I don't understand it? Are we arguing over geopolitical semantics? For all intents and purposes, Arstakh is both, an independent nation and a part of Armenia. But why are we even discussing this?

I think Freaky's interest in the matter is legitimate. After all, we are 1 people, then why 2 states? and the answer to that, freaky, is that yes, karabakh has everything to be considered an indepdendent state-armed forces, parliament, police, tax collection system, etc.. --but the independence of karabakh is the step on the road to reunification with mayr hayastan.

[Armenian]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

What is his point? What is his ulterior motive? Artsakh's current geopolitical situation is not the issue in this xxxxxxx's mind, its something else. He is trying to make a point. I want to know what is that point?

[Artsakh]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

Which nation formerly recognizes NKR as an independent nation with formally recognized borders? Which one? Tell me.

Under your theory of when things become so, I am unofficially the President of Freakyland, an independent nation in the United States. Noone has to recognize me, I have declared it and, thus, it is so.

Under your theory, Kurdistan is an independent nation.

Simply declaring yourself an idependent nation does not make you independent. For example, Tibetans and many white buddhist freaks have declared that Tibet is an independent country. In reality, however, Tibet is a province of China, and under Chinese military control.

In order to be truly independent, in addition to a declaration, you would also have to secure complete military control over a region of land, and be able to defend that land.

Now, with that said, Honorable President of Freakyland, which region of the US is "Freakyland" located? In this particular case, no offense to you, one would be simply called a "nut job."

By contrast, lets look at Russia. The Chechens declared themselves independent, fough a war against the Russians, and temporarily secured control over Chechnya.

Now, look at Abkhazia and South Ossetia, regions of the Republic of Georgia that have declared themselves independent and have been able to defend their sovereignty for the past 14-15 years. Javaxhk, too, might soon break free from Georgia.

No one has recognized these Republics, but like it or not, their existence is a matter of fact, and the same with Nagorno Karabakh, a fully functional state, in fact, the most democratic state in the former soviet union, moreso than the Republic of Armenia.

With respect to Kurdistan, it is my understanding that the northern portion of Iraq is under Kurdish control. While it isn't recognized as an independent republic by any nation on earth, Turkey is still sleepless over the fact that Kurds run the region, irrespective of whether or not the international community recognizes it.

[Artsakh]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

I'm assuming those kalashnikovs were manufactured in Armenia, yeah, right?

I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to imply with that statement. What difference does it make where those AK 47's were manufactured? or where Armenia's tanks were manufactured? or that Armenia has Russian troops are stationed in Armenia?

Nations much bigger, wealthier, and with seas and other natural resources have weaponary manufactured in foreign countries and foreign troops stationed on its soil. Look at Turkey, all their weapons are from the US and ISrael, and they have US troops on "their soil."

Does that mean its thanks to the US troops on its soil that Turkey has illegally occupied northern half of cyprus?

Whether you like it or not, nations exist because of the approval, implicit or explicit, voluntary or compelled, of foreigners.

History has shown that no one gives up land without a fight. Land is won at the price of blood. Nations break free from occupation and foreign rule at the cost of blood. Did the american colonial "terrorists" struggle for their freedom, secure control over their lands, and establish themselves as independent by fighting and spilling blood, or did they wait for Britian to simply issue a declaration recognizing them as indepdent?

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

The issue of whether NKR is an independent state or a self-ruled territory of Armenia is still in dispute in Armenia. Some in Armenia want to give it back, some want it to be incorporated into Armenia and others want it to become a state.

But, if these are native Armenian homelands, then how can it be an state independent of Armenia?

The fate of NKR is as much to be determined by odars as it is by NKR leaders.

No, there are no Armenian troops protecting Artsakh. http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=20854

No, there is no humanitarian aid to NKR. http://www.anca.org/hill_staff/posit...rs.php?ppid=12

If it wasn't for volunteer freedom fighters, there would likely be no NKR to speak of in the first place. These fighters came from places outside of NKR as much as they were NKR inhabitants. Some of them actually fought and led Armenian troops.

What are you two talking about?

Armenian and Karothegreat go to great lengths to prove that they are actually Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Fight on axis of stupidity, fight on!

What planet do you two incorrigible peasants reside on?

There can be no doubt that the future of NKR is a key issue in the upcoming Armenian presidential elections.

LTP's presidency was marred by his missteps re: NKR.

Some Armenians want NKR to be settled peacefully, others believe there can be no compromise.

Some want it to be joined with Armenia, others see it as an independent state.

Some believe it is a part of Armenia, others see it as an independent state.

Some believe that if someone other than Sargysan is elected that NKR will suffer, some believe someone other than Sargysan can handle NKR better, others believe that despite who is elected nothing shall change.

Some Karabakhis believe that they are being kept out of the loop by Armenia re: negotiations of the region's future)

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewAr...D=2817&lng=eng (Syunik residents discuss the NKR issue)

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewAr...D=2816&lng=eng (Vandazor residents split on the issue - some veterans fall in line with Sefilyan - not an inch of land to be given back or else)

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewAr...D=2815&lng=eng (Gyurmi residents equally as defiant - no land to be given back)

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewAr...D=1172&lng=eng (Yerevan residents agree - no land to be given back - but conclude NKR is part of Armenia)

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=24797 (Ara Baghdasaryan views NKR as part of Armenia)

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=24796 (Azeri officials refuse meeting with Armenian officials)

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=24804 (PACE official disagrees with Azeris placing preconditions to discussions with Armenia)

ARF, Hunchaks, DLP acknowledge 20th anniversary of Artsakh movement. http://www.azg.am/EN/2008020803

ARF rails against past and current administrations for waffling on NKR.

http://www.hairenik.com/HairenikTV/HA_TV_Clip139.htm

“WHO EMPOWERED YOU TO SURRENDER TERRITORIES?”
A1plus, Armenia - Feb 8, 2008
“We must win the presidential election. We must win for the sake of the Artsakh veterans and for the sake of the Armenian people,” ARF Dashnaktsutiun member ...

http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2372785 (NKR rises to top of Azerbaijan and Armenian foreign policy)

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=43978 (Erdogan demands Armenia give NKR back)

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewAr...3&IID=&lng=eng (Azeris to use oil/gas revenues to purchase fighter jets from Pakistan)

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=24807 (Iranian officials believe Iran can broker a peaceful deal between Armenia and Azerbaijan on NKR issue)

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Islamic nations recognize Turkish Cyprus

there were a few things I really liked the articel about the Lenakancis and this part also

Armen Melkonyan a former captive from Vanadzor shares Haroyan’s opinion: “Not a bit of land. There will be a civil war if they give even an inch of land,” says Melkonyan, who spent more than a year captive in Baku.