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    Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?



    Recent events in Yerevan have actually proven that Armenia is more "democratic" and expresses more "political freedoms" than any western nation today. Can anyone here envision an equivalent of a treasonous criminal like Armenia's Levon Ter-Petrosian in American politics bringing millions of people into Washington DC and holding unsanctioned demonstrations against the state with a political platform that would be considered suicidal for the US, and then inciting violence when security forces attempt to disperse them? Can anyone here imagine, let's say, Chinese or Russian owned news outlets taking over a large portion of America's news media and disseminating anti-state and pro-East propaganda? Can anyone here imagine foreign NOGs stirring public discontent in the US? Can anyone here imagine such scenarios in the US? No, no one can realistically imagine such a scenario because we all know that responsible authorities in this nation would 'never' allow such a situation to get to that dangerous level. Such types of foreign agendas in the US would be eliminated even before they are implemented. That is why politicians in places like Russia, Serbia, Armenia and China simply have to disregard the "people" and do what they have to do to protect the state.

    Recent events in Yerevan have also proven that Armenians cannot be entrusted with political decision making. As we recently witnessed. The practice of democracy in a nation like Armenia can prove to be fatal.

    This brings up the almost 'sacred' concept of "free and fair elections": The 'idea' that the masses should vote politicians into power, hence intimately partake in political decision making, is a 20th century western phenomenon. However, even in the West, this does not exist in reality, it's an illusion. But we must realize here that the "illusion" of the people partaking in the political system can only exist in wealthy, powerful and stable nations. In the US, for example, we essentially have 'two' government sanctioned political parties. Let me remind the reader that this is only 'one' more than a government sanctioned dictatorship. Politically, the Democrats and the Republicans in America are the same shit but from different assholes. They differ only in minor details, namely in the realms of domestic and sociological issues. Nonetheless, if anyone comes along that can seriously challange the political/financial status quo and establishment in the US, they would be eliminated in a heartbeat. It's no secret that the nation's most serious political policies are made independent of the people by the US State Department, various special interests (Zionists, oil lobby, defense industry, mega-corporations, etc) and of course, the intelligence services.

    Yet, every four years the people are allowed to 'think' that they are participating in the nation's political process.

    As I said above, one of the fundamental differences between the West and the rest of the world is - standard of living, its wealth. Due to the West's centuries long political exploits - colonization, slavery, foreign wars, plunder, exploitation, etc - the West is immensely wealthy today. The entire world today is trying desperately to literally live up the western standards. And let's realize that it's much easier to control well-fed complacent idiots than it is to control hungry, desperate and angry idiots. As a result of its wealth, western political/financial elite can provide for their masses and allow them to 'think' that they are participating in the "political system." And that is why unlike in the rest of the world, the West can afford to put on a 'political show' every few years for the people.

    Democracy, as preached by the West, does not work for fledgling or vulnerable nations because it envisions giving the ignorant masses the right to make political decisions. We painfully observed this in Armenia recently. Politically speaking, the general population in any given nation is worthless. Thus, how can we trust them to make the right political decisions, especially in nations that have serious geopolitical and socioeconomic problems? The point is, from the great Hellenistic thinkers to the founding fathers of the US, voting politicians into power was never meant to be for the masses. As I said above, the people electing high ranking politicians into power is essentially a twentieth century western phenomenon.

    What's interesting here is that we require a license and/or training to do just about anything of importance in civilized nations. Why is it that the most important of all obligations a nation's citizen has, namely electing its leadership, is meant to be entrusted upon the whims and wishes of the masses? In my opinion, the democratic system is inherently a flawed system and for certain nation's it can be suicidal.

    I, personally, would rather see a 'constitutional monarchy' be implemented in Armenia. Most of the greatest nations on earth are, or have been until recently, constitutional monarchies. Some examples are: Japan, Sweden, Holland, Belgium, England, Spain, Andorra, Denmark, Norway, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Thailand, Monaco, Morocco and Jordan.

    There are several surviving remnants of Armenia's ancient nobility in Europe and Russia. However, I don't think picking an individual from one of these families would be the wisest route to go. I personally would like to see Armenia's constitution give our Katoghikos a duel role: Արքա համենայն հայոց և հոգեվոր հայրապետ, king of all Armenians and spiritual patriarch. In such a scenario, Etchimadzin would transform into Armenia's royal throne, as it was in ancient times when the city was known as Vagharshapat. If need be, the Cilician Patriarch can act as the Katoghikos of all Armenians. It is note worthy here to point out that Saint Gregory's line is actually preserved within the Cilician Patriarchate and not in Etchmiadzin.

    Throughout history we have had great patriarchs. At various times in our history our nation's patriarchs have more-or-less acted as kings. Why not just officially bestow upon them the title of monarch and give them some political powers? Some of our current patriarchs and senior bishops (with the exception of Mutafian of course) would make excellent monarchs. As a matter of fact, in demeanor and character, Katoghikos Garegin II is more of a king than a spiritual leader. The patriarchal throne of the Cilician See is no less capable when it comes to organizational and administrative abilities and resources. There are many political advantages to a constitutional monarchy, fundamental ones being continuity and stability of the political system and national unity.

    How would the king be appointed?

    I would not envision a hereditary kingdom, such a system would have inherent weaknesses and can potentially cause problems. In my opinion, the king should be appointed for life just like the Katoghikos is appointed by the nation's senior bishops, who are in essence the nation's elders. The appointing of the king takes the crucially important task of electing a nation's leader away from the sentiments of the masses. This method is superior to the hereditary method in that every time a king needs to be appointed the nation's elders debate and vote for the most capable man, or woman, available for the throne. What about the people? Will they have a voice in government? As in all constitutional monarchies, the people do have an important role to play, they can elect their local leaders and the nation's prime minister.

    If we cannot have a constitutional monarchy, then Armenia needs to be a one party dictatorship for the foreseeable future. And if that cannot happen either, then let's simple give the house keys to Moscow. Simply put, we Armenians cannot risk playing with the notion of democracy, especially in a dangerous and volatile environment like the Caucasus. Such an experiment could prove fatal for the Armenian Republic. These are simply my thoughts, nothing more. Nonetheless, I know one thing for certain: Free and fair elections in Armenia? NO xxxxING WAY!

    Armenian
    Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

    Նժդեհ


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  • #2
    Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

    How about padded room or straight arm jacket for Armenian?

    I choose straight arm jacket.
    Between childhood, boyhood,
    adolescence
    & manhood (maturity) there
    should be sharp lines drawn w/
    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
    stories, songs & judgements

    - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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    • #3
      Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

      Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
      I can't stop laughing at you Armenian. You are proposing a theocratic monarchy. ROTFLOL. Hahaha.

      Baliozian types have been railing against Armenian for already existing under one for years. They'd argue it already failed the state.

      You are joking, right? Either that or you are a dupe of the NSS.

      Please explain to us why a "theocratic monarchy" is worse than a "representative democarcy". This does not apply to Armenia only, but in general why youi believe Armenian's suggestion is a poor one. Otherwise you have no room to talk.
      For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
      to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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      • #4
        Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

        Originally posted by Armanen View Post
        Please explain to us why a "theocratic monarchy" is worse than a "representative democarcy". This does not apply to Armenia only, but in general why youi believe Armenian's suggestion is a poor one. Otherwise you have no room to talk.
        Disregard the asswipe. As usual, he is talking out his ass.

        I am not envisioning a "theocratic monarchy" I am proposing a constitutional monarchy with the Katoghikos at Etchmiadzin acting as king. Naturally, the king would be bound by constitutional restraints and would rule in tandem with a popularly elected secular prime minister. The details of such a system can be formulated and adopted into the nation's constitution. Instead of having a "secular" king as in western European monarchies, we would simply have a "Christian" king. Instead of praying at the alter of democracy/globalism, which are more-or-less a form of neo-internationalism, we would be praying at our national alter.

        What's more, having a Christian monarch would will bring to the political table Christian values and identity, something Armenia and the world in general is desperately missing today. Unlike the secular prime minister who would need to be elected every several years by the people, the nation's king would represent political stability, continuity and give the nation a firm national identity. Theoretically, the king would be able to stand above political infighting and can safeguard the protection of Armenia's national interests.

        If Iran can be an Islamic state, if Israel can be a Jewish state, why not have Armenia as a Christian Kingdom? Why must we be a secular nation? Who says we must be? It's as if we have been conditioned to totally reject such a concept even without giving it any thought. The fact of the matter is, secular societies are a modern phenomenon. Nevertheless, they have failed, as have representative democracies. We are currently seeing the unravellings of western civilization. The decline of western civilization is primarily due to the absence of Christian and ethno-centric values. This situation has gotten so bad that even the word Christian is now scoffed at. We don't need to go too far to see this, just look at the alarmingly low caliber of our own people. What's desperately missing in our collective consciousness today is true nationalism and faith in God.

        I realize the we as a people are far from accepting such a political system. However, recent events in Yerevan have revealed that "democracy" will not work for is, especially as long as we are in the Caucasus region. Let's all realize that freedom and democracy as preached by the West is a path to suicide, and not just for us Armenians. We simply need to think of alternatives. Sometimes going back to the basics actually works.
        Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

        Նժդեհ


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        • #5
          Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

          I was thinking more in the way of having a real king, or a supreme Sparapet who could overrule the politisains when he thought they were working against the Armenian state. Because that is what we need for now a supreme leader who will work for Armenia and not for outside powers. And we also need to get back in touch with our roots and find power of those days back. Because I think we'll need power too survive the days that are coming.

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          • #6
            Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

            First and foremost, it does not encourage diasporans to return to Armenia especially those where church and state are kept separate.

            Second, there is no blood line in the history of Armenia that I am aware of theocratic monarchs (i.e. church leader kings/queens) in Armenia's history.

            I'll keep it limited to those two points for now. But, the proposition only supports further isolation of Armenia from its people. But, I suppose that is what Armenian wants.
            Between childhood, boyhood,
            adolescence
            & manhood (maturity) there
            should be sharp lines drawn w/
            Tests, deaths, feats, rites
            stories, songs & judgements

            - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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            • #7
              Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

              Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
              First and foremost, it does not encourage diasporans to return to Armenia especially those where church and state are kept separate.

              Second, there is no blood line in the history of Armenia that I am aware of theocratic monarchs (i.e. church leader kings/queens) in Armenia's history.

              I'll keep it limited to those two points for now. But, the proposition only supports further isolation of Armenia from its people. But, I suppose that is what Armenian wants.
              If it was not for your last mentrual line, you would have had a decent post, worthy of further discussion.

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              • #8
                Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

                Also, Soviet Armenians many of which are now in the diaspora were generally leery of Etchmiadzin under Soviet rule considering them to be in cahoots with Mother Russia and gathering information on them for the Supreme Soviet.
                Between childhood, boyhood,
                adolescence
                & manhood (maturity) there
                should be sharp lines drawn w/
                Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                stories, songs & judgements

                - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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                • #9
                  Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

                  Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
                  Also, Soviet Armenians many of which are now in the diaspora were generally leery of Etchmiadzin under Soviet rule considering them to be in cahoots with Mother Russia and gathering information on them for the Supreme Soviet.
                  Idiot child, Etchmiadzin still represent the most revered Armenian institution in existence today. Other than petty asswipes like you, no one talks about the problems of the Bolshevik era today. Majority of Armenians in the diaspora strongly associate their Christian Armenian identity with Etchmiadzin. Even those that do not associate their spiritual connection to Etchmiadzin, such as followers of the Cilician patriarchate, Armenian protestants and Armenian Catholics, acknowledge nonetheless Etchmiadzin's supreme rule as the mother Church of Armenia. Keep making a total ass of yourself
                  Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

                  Նժդեհ


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                  • #10
                    Re: Democracy or Constitutional Monarchy?

                    Haha, you never proposed a 'theocratic monarchy'. Yeah right, take a look below:

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                    Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia




                    Asswipe, there are several surviving remnants of Armenia's ancient nobility live and well in Europe and Russia. But I don't think that would be the wisest route to go. I personally would also like to see the Katolikos given a duel role, Արքա համենայն հայոց և հոգեվոր հայրապետ: - king of all Armenians and spiritual patriarch. Etchimadzin then transforms into Armenia's royal throne, as it were in ancient times under the name of Vagharshapat. The Cilician Patriarch can then act as the Katolikos. In reality, Saint Gregory's line is preserved in the Cilician Patriarchate, not in Etchmiadzin. There are ways to achieve this, it just requires an organized effort. I would personally pursue the above noted agenda even if it meant alienating/loosing a majority of Armenia's diasporan population. So, if asswipes like you don't like it, too bad. Just bask in the reality of knowing that when you die your remains will pollute foreign lands and not Armenia.
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                    Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:
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                    Armenians are christians? Really. All Bolsheviks were Soviets but all Soviets were not Bolshevik. I'm talking in the Soviet period of which Bolshevik rule is included as a portion.
                    Between childhood, boyhood,
                    adolescence
                    & manhood (maturity) there
                    should be sharp lines drawn w/
                    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                    stories, songs & judgements

                    - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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