Armenia-PKK

[crusader1492]

Re: Armenia-PKK

i wanna ask a question to u armenian ppl. in turkey there is a wide belief that armenia helped kurds to build pkk and pkk was born from the ashes of asala. now pkk thinks armenians and assyrians old lands are kurdish lands (but they havent been there in history and they r kind of iranians) -- what do u guys think about it? did they betray to armenia or do u think armenians have never had relationship with them? but its also known thing that there was armenian members of pkk in the past and they werent few.
----and i think most armenians dont know that kurds killed the arenians the most in anatolia in the past, not turks. (maybe u wont believe me but if u do research u will see it).
so what r ur opinions bour that? for example turkeys assyrians hate pkk, they think there r assyrian lands and they dont even want independence actually they just dont agree pkk saying there were pkk lands and work against pkk in turkey.

One thing is for sure...the lands that you talk about definitely do not belong to Turkey.

[asli]

Re: Armenia-PKK

i wanna ask a question to u armenian ppl. in turkey there is a wide belief that armenia helped kurds to build pkk and pkk was born from the ashes of asala. now pkk thinks armenians and assyrians old lands are kurdish lands (but they havent been there in history and they r kind of iranians) -- what do u guys think about it? did they betray to armenia or do u think armenians have never had relationship with them? but its also known thing that there was armenian members of pkk in the past and they werent few.
----and i think most armenians dont know that kurds killed the arenians the most in anatolia in the past, not turks. (maybe u wont believe me but if u do research u will see it).
so what r ur opinions bour that? for example turkeys assyrians hate pkk, they think there r assyrian lands and they dont even want independence actually they just dont agree pkk saying there were pkk lands and work against pkk in turkey.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenia-PKK

Major foreign policy weakness is our lack of aggressiveness.

This is one of many examples where the Armenian government hasn't done much to assert its place. I hope serge's government is much more assertive in its foreign policy than kocharyan's was.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia-PKK

This is what I don't understand about Armenians: Why be afraid to reveal such ties? What, Turkey is going to invade Artsakh? BS! What are they going to do, close their border with Armenia? Yes, Armenia most probably does have ties with the PKK. These ties go back to the time of the Soviet Union and, in my opinion, they need to be reinstated in full.

I guess it's mostly because it will ruin Armenia's "reputation" on a global scale since most leading countries have the PKK listed as a so-called "terrorist entity". Can't afford much more alienation so we must play the game discretely and carefully.

What's more, northern Iraq (Kurdistan) has been a playground for CIA and the Mossad.

This explains why the Mossad "confirms" the existence of the PKK in Artsakh. What I don't understand is why doesn't Armenia xxxxing demand an explanation from Israel about these kind of statements that Azerbaboonjan makes. Major foreign policy weakness is our lack of aggressiveness.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia-PKK

For God's sake we didn't sacrifice our people to liberate our homeland in order to please or place some kounvatz kurds in those territories. Just a reminder the kurds did the actual slathering during the Genocide.

It's sad but we don't seem to want to settle in the liberated territories, nor do we really do much to improve conditions there so people at least consider doing so. Hell, we've ignored Nor Shahumyan (aka Kelbajar), Kashatagh (aka Lachin, Jabrayil, Zangilan, Qubadli) and southern Hadrut (aka Fizuli) for 20 years! Too bad we must turn to Kurds to at least boost some of the population.

[Armenian]

Re: Armenia-PKK

This is what I don't understand about Armenians: Why be afraid to reveal such ties? What, Turkey is going to invade Artsakh? BS! What are they going to do, close their border with Armenia? Yes, Armenia most probably does have ties with the PKK. These ties go back to the time of the Soviet Union and, in my opinion, they need to be reinstated in full. However, again, there is the trust factor here. Kurds are by far one of the least reliable peoples on earth. What's more, northern Iraq (Kurdistan) has been a playground for CIA and the Mossad.

[Azad]

Re: Armenia-PKK

For God's sake we didn't sacrifice our people to liberate our homeland in order to please or place some kounvatz kurds in those territories. Just a reminder the kurds did the actual slathering during the Genocide.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia-PKK

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the issue!

I myself initially dismissed it as rubbish when I read similar articles a few months ago, including one where the Azerbaboons claimed the Mossad confirms the existence of the PKK in Artsakh (go figure!).

But still, I have a gut feeling that we have had ties with the PKK to some degree. Plus, I doubt that we are not helping Kurds settle in strategic Lachin where there is a desperate shortage of population.

[crusader1492]

Re: Armenia-PKK

I was just about to post this article with the intention of calling it BS as KarotheGreat did.

It's obvious the Turks are testing the waters in order to stage an attack on Armenia. Any half-wit anaylist (such as the US anaylist thet wrote this article) can see that. The problem with this senario is that the more these lies are broadcast, the better the chance that UN nitwits will give credence to them. They have allowed Turkey to attack Iraqi Kurdistan with impunity...who is to say that the international community won't exert pressure on Turks not to attack Armenia?

Armenia needs to actively combat these accusations and go on the diplomatic offensive. Along with that, at some point Armenia needs to bloody Azerbaijan's nose before they decide to launch another suprise attack on Armenian soil again.

Here is another article written today concerning prospects for "resumption of hostilities". Note the Russian political scientist's prediction that Armenia may launch preemtive "warning attacks" in order to disuade Azerbaijan from getting too confident:

Russian expert: "By stressing its isolation, "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" became trapped by the same processes that occur around other unrecognized countries"

27 May 2008 [10:16] - Today.Az



"Today Nagorno Karabakh occupies special place among the unrecognized countries", said Alexander Skakov, chief of department for problems of near abroad of the Russian Strategic Researches Institute, taking part in the international conference in the Nagorno Karabakh center.

"On the one hand, Nagorno Karabakh proved its political and economic independence and flexibility. On the other hand, "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" distances itself from other unrecognized countries and in the result from Russia as well. Russia also does not strive for involving Nagorno Karabakh into its orbit and does not intend to spoil its positive relations with Azerbaijan.

Paradoxical situation emerged in the result-by stressing its isolation, "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" became trapped by the processes and pressure of the other unrecognized countries", said Skakov.

According to him, "the intention of Brussels and Washington to break the status-quo, unfreeze the existent conflict, transform the system of international relations, established in the South Caucasus, did not bypass Nagorno Karabakh".

"Since the Moscow meeting of the OSCE Minsk Group in 1993, Nagorno Karabakh had been a conflict party, a participant of the negotiation process and remained that until autumn of 1997, despite the sharp resistance of Baku. Nevertheless, a number of factors, including the emerging internal crisis in Armenia, as well as Azerbaijan's growing prestige resulted in Minsk group's refusal to hold talks with participation of Khankendi under pretense of the urgent presidential elections in "Nagorno Karabakh Republic".

"Nagorno Karabakh Republic" is right to insist on its full participation as a conflict side in the negotiation process under the auspices of the OSCE Minsk Group. Baku is against it", said the Russian expert.

At the same time he noted that the said situation is unambiguous. "On the one hand, the status of Nagorno Karabakh, as a conflict side, has lowered, as the talks are held without its participation. On the other hand, "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" gets an opportunity to block the implementation of any peaceful plan without participation in the talks and Armenia is free in its actions.

Anyway, the non-participation of "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" in the negotiation process can not be considered logical, as the interests of Yerevan and Khankendi are not the same, though close to each others", said Alexander Skakov.

He said Russia distances itself from the search of ways of the conflict resolution, shifting the responsibility to the conflicting sides and other mediators. This reduces Russia's influence in the region, he thinks.

Speaking about possible renewal of hostilities in the Nagorno Karabakh conflict, he noted: "Most officials in Azerbaijan do not rule out forced way of resolution in case there will not be any other peaceful solutions. Nevertheless, the variant of Azerbaijan's strengthening its position in the international arena and isolation of Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh is the most important for Baku".

He noted that militaristic spirits are stronger among the military leadership of Azerbaijan than among the political one. "Generals develop plans of military revenge and start to believe in their possibility. The most surprising is that in line with some sources, the Azerbaijani military authorities also admit the variant of front attack to the "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" for outlet to the Karabakh defense, which seems quite unreal.
Anyway, the confidence about the possible revenge creates conditions for initiation of large scale military actions in case of any provocation. I admit that such militaristic spirits may also exist among the Armenian servicemen. In particular, Armenian mass medias admit that in case Yerevan and Stepanakert are confident about Azerbaijan's readiness to war, they may undertake a warning attack. It seems to me that both scripts are possible only in the result of a large scale crisis in the whole region", said the Russian expert.

The current plans of the peaceful resolution of Nagorno Karabakh conflict should be considered in the sense of their preparedness, he considers. Yet, he says that all of them are unreal and face insuperable obstacles in the current conditions.

"To overcome them requires either good will or peace-loving, which both sides do not have, or unilateral steps from one of the parties, demonstrating its good will, which is unreal so far. Today the only chance for the peaceful resolution of Nagorno Karabakh conflict on the long-term basis is a course for reconciliation of the peoples and rejection of the forced resolution of the problem", said Skakov.

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...notice the political scientist said that Azerbaijani Generals have drafted plans for a frontal attack...I pray they are that stupid!

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenia-PKK

Bs, it's just propaganda. They are searching a reason to attack Armenia, but they have no proof to attack. But the Azeris will attack when they believe we are weak. But the Turks are creating a reason for the Azeris to attack because they can't attack themself. Because Russia protects the Armenian-turko border.