Armenia-PKK

[AlphaPapa]

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PKK plans to leave Armenia as Turkish-Armenian ties develop

The normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia has reportedly put the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) terrorist organization in dire straits.

Many PKK members traveled to Armenia after the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) launched cross-border operations in northern Iraq in February 2008 to eliminate PKK camps in the region. But as relations develop between Armenia and Turkey, members of the PKK currently living in Armenia are making plans to leave the country in search of a new safe haven.

A pro-PKK radio station that airs regular broadcasts for PKK circles recently announced on its Web site that Armenia is no longer a safe place to live and that PKK members should leave the country as soon as possible. Intelligence agencies have learned that Greek Cyprus is a possible new destination for members of the terrorist organization. After the US-based holdings and financial resources of three leaders of the PKK were seized due to suspected drug trafficking on Wednesday, the PKK is reportedly trying to get its financial resources out of Armenia quickly to avoid a new financial blow from that direction.

Turkish intelligence agencies have been monitoring pro-PKK TV and radio stations for a long time. The PKK has commanded its members through the Web site of a pro-PKK radio station to leave Armenia and head to Limassol, Cyprus.

It has also been reported that the PKK has camps called Gyumri, Yerevan, Lachin and Kalbajar -- all named after cities in Armenia and Armenian-occupied Azerbaijani territory -- near the Armenian-Turkish border. The PKK reportedly operates organizations including the Kurdish People and Religious Association, Yezidi Kurds Women Association and Kurdish International Cultural and Information Association to help sustain the PKK both financially and otherwise.

Intelligence agencies also report that the PKK has played a role in the intercontinental drug trade, exporting heroin to European countries from Afghanistan via Armenia and Iran.

Observers hypothesize that Armenian-Turkish diplomatic relations may grow to encompass bilateral cooperation on security measures after the Zurich Protocols are ratified by the two countries' parliaments. The fight against terrorism and drug trafficking will be leading items on the agenda for cooperation measures between Armenia and Turkey.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ne...s-develop.html

You need to put a disclaimer on the top of that article, that it's from a Turkish source. They are always making up stuff about Armenians being terrorists. By the way, hte PKK hasn't existed in over 10 years...another Turkish lie.

[bell-the-cat]

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PKK plans to leave Armenia as Turkish-Armenian ties develop

The normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia has reportedly put the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) terrorist organization in dire straits.

Many PKK members traveled to Armenia after the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) launched cross-border operations in northern Iraq in February 2008 to eliminate PKK camps in the region. But as relations develop between Armenia and Turkey, members of the PKK currently living in Armenia are making plans to leave the country in search of a new safe haven.

A pro-PKK radio station that airs regular broadcasts for PKK circles recently announced on its Web site that Armenia is no longer a safe place to live and that PKK members should leave the country as soon as possible. Intelligence agencies have learned that Greek Cyprus is a possible new destination for members of the terrorist organization. After the US-based holdings and financial resources of three leaders of the PKK were seized due to suspected drug trafficking on Wednesday, the PKK is reportedly trying to get its financial resources out of Armenia quickly to avoid a new financial blow from that direction.

Turkish intelligence agencies have been monitoring pro-PKK TV and radio stations for a long time. The PKK has commanded its members through the Web site of a pro-PKK radio station to leave Armenia and head to Limassol, Cyprus.

It has also been reported that the PKK has camps called Gyumri, Yerevan, Lachin and Kalbajar -- all named after cities in Armenia and Armenian-occupied Azerbaijani territory -- near the Armenian-Turkish border. The PKK reportedly operates organizations including the Kurdish People and Religious Association, Yezidi Kurds Women Association and Kurdish International Cultural and Information Association to help sustain the PKK both financially and otherwise.

Intelligence agencies also report that the PKK has played a role in the intercontinental drug trade, exporting heroin to European countries from Afghanistan via Armenia and Iran.

Observers hypothesize that Armenian-Turkish diplomatic relations may grow to encompass bilateral cooperation on security measures after the Zurich Protocols are ratified by the two countries' parliaments. The fight against terrorism and drug trafficking will be leading items on the agenda for cooperation measures between Armenia and Turkey.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ne...s-develop.html

"Reportedly" / "it has been reported" = we made this up a few weeks ago, and published it.
"Intelligence agencies report" = we made this up yesterday, over a nice lunch.
"Observers hypothesize" = the intern made this up this morning, after making the coffee.

[Federate]

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You need to put a disclaimer on the top of that article, that it's from a Turkish source. They are always making up stuff about Armenians being terrorists. By the way, hte PKK hasn't existed in over 10 years...another Turkish lie.

This entire thread focuses on the bullsh!t that Armenians harbour the PKK.

"Reportedly" / "it has been reported" = we made this up a few weeks ago, and published it.
"Intelligence agencies report" = we made this up yesterday, over a nice lunch.
"Observers hypothesize" = the intern made this up this morning, after making the coffee.

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenia-PKK

Well, thankfully the Turks didn't go out to breakfast or they would be plotting genocide again.

[Persopolis]

Re: Armenia-PKK

Who are Azeris ?

Are Iranians or Azerbeijani

I don't understand

Read about Pan-Turkism and the manipulation of identity. Azaris are Iranians. Then Russia took some of Northern Iran and let it be further Turkified from the North (read about Khazars) and by the Ottoman-Turks (Turkey) The people ruling The Republic of Azerbaijan today are basically Israeli-Zionists and Attaturk groupies; though the population is still ethnically mixed there (read about the Talysh = Iranian), but it's not clear how brainwashed they've become. I know it's confusing - they did that on purpose.

[Federate]

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Wikileaks: Turkey seeks to target “hidden Armenians”
1915 Genocide is “common knowledge” among ordinary Anatolian Turks


Could they be Armenians? PKK fighters. www.hpg-online.net
by Emil Sanamyan

Published: Friday April 22, 2011

Washington - Nearly a century after the Genocide, Turkish government is still seeking to identify and root out "Armenian separatism" inside Turkey, according to a U.S. diplomatic cable made available through Wikileaks and first published by Taraf newspaper.

Writing in December 2004, U.S. Charge in Turkey at the time Robert Deutsch related a conversation with a "long-term Embassy contact with deep experience in intel[igence] and national security analysis."

Deutsch himself is a veteran State Department Middle East expert who following his Ankara posting served as deputy coordinator for Iraq and later worked as senior advisor in the South and Central Asia Bureau of the State Department.

Ghost of Armenia

The unnamed Turkish source told the U.S. Embassy that as of late 2004 Turkish internal security forces (Jandarma) and its intelligence branch (JITEM) received "a steady stream of orders from Ankara to JITEM posts in the field to combat ‘Armenian separatism'" as part of the fight against Kurdish insurgency.

Deutsch notes that what he terms "paranoia" reflected "the Turkish State's fear of history" considering that "only a handful of Armenians [were] left in the southeast" of Turkey after the Genocide.

But "Ankara was basing its suspicions on the meticulous population registry (nufus kutugu) of family lineage which, among other things, shows how many citizens -- especially concentrated in certain regions of the east and southeast -- actually have an Armenian background underneath their forebears' voluntary or forced conversions or adoptions during the period when Armenians were being deported and murdered en masse by the Ottoman authorities and local Muslim bands."

"The distant and suppressed Armenian connection is so pervasive that JITEM even came across a village imam with Armenian roots, our contact relayed."

Deutsch adds that "in our own extensive travels throughout Anatolia, especially east of the Kizilirmak River [eastern half of the country - ed.], we have been repeatedly struck by (a) the common knowledge among ordinary citizens of what happened in 1915, a knowledge which most will readily share; and (b) the number of people with apparent Armenian features."

Publicly, Turkish officials have off and on linked Kurdish insurgents to Armenians.

Yusuf Halacoglu, former head of the Turkish Historical Society, claimed in August 2007 that many Kurds, particularly Kurdish Alevis, were originally ethnic Armenians.

Suspicion of Armenian "factor" in the insurgency is also reportedly shared to some extent by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Speaking in Washington in November 2007 Erdogan claimed that in addition to ethnic Kurds, the Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) had ethnic Armenian members. He did not elaborate.

Zigzagging rhetoric

Turkish media speculation has also linked JITEM and other Turkish national security entities with January 2007 murder of Turkish Armenian journalist Hrant Dink.

That murder was followed by public outpouring of sympathy for Armenians inside Turkey and Erdogan-led government appeared eager to improve its image on Armenian issue.

The following year Turkey accepted Armenia's offer to negotiate normalization of relations, but that negotiations process moved in starts and sputters before stalling fully by the end of 2009.

Turkish government signals on Armenia have been mixed since.

On one hand, Turkish officials no longer hinder discussion of the Genocide and have encouraged and safeguarded April 24 commemorations inside Turkey.

Ankara has also paid for renovation of a former Armenian cathedral on Lake Van and for the first time in decades Turkish citizens of ethnic Armenian descent were allowed to join the Turkish state bureaucracy.

At the same time, Erdogan threatened to expel Armenian citizens working in Turkey, a threat that he repeated earlier this month. He also ordered a demolition of Turkey-Armenia "friendship monument" in Kars, a step that may be esthetically justified but nevertheless sends another negative signal.

Perhaps most significantly, since 2010 Turkey has stepped up military cooperation with Azerbaijan, which has long openly threatened warfare against Armenia.

http://www.reporter.am/go/article/2011-04-22-wikileaks-turkey-seeks-to-target--hidden-armenians--

[retro]

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Read about Pan-Turkism and the manipulation of identity. Azaris are Iranians. Then Russia took some of Northern Iran and let it be further Turkified from the North (read about Khazars) and by the Ottoman-Turks (Turkey) The people ruling The Republic of Azerbaijan today are basically Israeli-Zionists and Attaturk groupies; though the population is still ethnically mixed there (read about the Talysh = Iranian), but it's not clear how brainwashed they've become. I know it's confusing - they did that on purpose.

Around a third of Azaris are of Central Asian extraction and it's a bit much to infer that the Russians are responsible for Azerbaijans Turkification. That Asiatic component are most probably, descended from some kind of former confederation of mercenaries of Turkic and Siberian origins.

The Talysh as you point out have Persian roots and they may have some influence in the country. As it's my understanding that the Talysh form something of a clerical class within Azerbaijan. However it's the Azerbaijani-Kurdish political class, who seem to hold sway in Azerbaijan.

[Mukuch]

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PKK leader expressed condolences to Armenian people on Genocide Remembrance Day

April 25, 2011 | 13:26

A leader of Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) Murat Karayilan expressed his condolences to Armenian people on Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day.

He stressed that April 24 became a day of Armenians’ massacre, killings and displacement 96 years ago.

“For this reason, Armenian people are spread around the world. Turkey should accept its history. No matter how it was called, a genocide or displacement, the Armenian people were massacred. The denial of this truth is of no benefit to anyone,” he noted, Firat agency reports.

[Armanen]

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However it's the Azerbaijani-Kurdish political class, who seem to hold sway in Azerbaijan.

Of course the kurdish faction aka aliyev clan, go out of their way to present themselves as azeri/azari/turkic.

[BZamanov]

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Around a third of Azaris are of Central Asian extraction and it's a bit much to infer that the Russians are responsible for Azerbaijans Turkification. That Asiatic component are most probably, descended from some kind of former confederation of mercenaries of Turkic and Siberian origins.

The Talysh as you point out have Persian roots and they may have some influence in the country. As it's my understanding that the Talysh form something of a clerical class within Azerbaijan. However it's the Azerbaijani-Kurdish political class, who seem to hold sway in Azerbaijan.

Could you share the link where you found this info? Thanks in advance.