Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

[Kanki]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Hey everyone

You made a mistake!!

"Sun Language Theory" is not originally Turkish Theory and there is an interesting- Turks dont know "Sun Language Theory" 90%. I learned first time in this forum.
and I observed;

It belongs to Hungarians.

Footnote: In addition, basic "Turan" opinion is Magyar theory. It appear in Hungary in begining of 19. century, after that it spread to Ottoman Turks so it found some Turkish followers- like jonTurks or young Ottomans

Because Turks and Hungarians have same ancestors.

You you can check it from a source, it is Hungary website.
make enter

http://www.hunmagyar.org/

[Armanen]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Where do you think mankind originated, Armenian?

[jgk3]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Based on the many BS I have seen throughout the years regarding genetic studies - I don't trust genetic studies. I don't believe mankind 'evolved' out of animals, I don't believe mankind originated in Africa. Genetic studies can and do shed some light on the subject matter. However, they should not be considered as the last word.

I'd personally would like to have a chronology chart for all our advances in the understanding of our genetic history and the "out of Africa" theory.

But I do think haplogroup studies are good because they are based on mutations in the Y chromosome of human beings that are less than 30000 years old lets say, and use them as markers for geographical distribution of one's ancestry.

They are independent of those out of Africa theory things for the sole reason that they do not deal with the X chromosome, where the evidence that we are all descended from one Black African woman 200,000 years ago apparently comes from. Honestly, I think that kind of ammunition for proving all of mankind's origins is smaller in content than the book of genesis, and the very fact that the average joe does not know how genetics work in the X chromosome is a testament that we as a society of skeptics, where our priests are scientists and our prophets are television sets, are no better off than those "irrational bible thumpers" we love to insult.

[Armenian]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Armenian, do you think haplogroup studies could shed some light towards the geographic origins of these blond haired specimens?

Based on the many BS I have seen throughout the years regarding genetic studies - I don't trust genetic studies. I don't believe mankind 'evolved' out of animals, I don't believe mankind originated in Africa. Genetic studies can and do shed some light on the subject matter. However, they should not be considered as the last word.

[Lucin]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

I know that. But what is your point? Where do you think they came from?

Former Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani is one of them:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fwS50P6sf1Ko/610x.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Ali-Larijani.JPG/800px-Ali-Larijani.JPG

What certain parts of Iran should I visit, ArmSurvival?

If you look into Northern provinces of Iran, you will find there, people with blue or green eyes and blond hair in abundance, especially towards the Caspian Sea regions. Interestingly, these people are also known for their prominent noses. But as you approach southward and the central regions (like Esfahan, Shiraz, Tehran, Ahvaz, etc.) the features get darker and darker.

And Ali Larijani is a native of the Northern Iran where blondism is quite prevalent. If I'm not mistaken Larijan is a small town in the north of Iran. But there are Iranians even more blond than him.

[jgk3]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Armenian, do you think haplogroup studies could shed some light towards the geographic origins of these blond haired specimens?

[Armenian]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Officially, the Scythians were Iranians. Correct? Well, if the Scythians were Persian tribes than they had to look like the Iranians. Correct? But in 2006 a mummy of a Scythian was discovered in Mongolia. (In Mongolia!) The dead man had light blond hair.

In ancient times, that entire region including Caucasia and Central Asia had a significant "blond" population, even redheads. The reason why many Iranians today tend to look asiatic or middle eastern has to do with the fact that Iran/Persia had been one of the largest empires in the world subjugating Middle Eastern, Central Asian and South Asian populations. And as we all know, empires usually end up looking like the people they subjugate. As for the question where the "blonds" come from; in my opinion, they originated in the Caucasus region. Even today, the entire region of the Caucasus including Armenia has pockets of blonds and redheads who are native (no admixtures) to the region. I believe that these blonds of the greater Caucasian region being more adaptable to northern climates gradually moved north-west after the end of the last ice age where they became what we today call - Nordics. But obviously there are other theories as well. I am sure you would say they originated in the North Pole

[North Pole]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Blonde hair is not uncommon among Iranians. In fact in those times it was even more common. Visit certain parts of Iran today and you'll see a lot of people with blonde hair and/or blue eyes.

I know that. But what is your point? Where do you think they came from?

Former Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani is one of them:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fwS50P6sf1Ko/610x.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Ali-Larijani.JPG/800px-Ali-Larijani.JPG

What certain parts of Iran should I visit, ArmSurvival?

[Armanen]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

What is more amazing is the native Ainu people of Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people

Also in America's Pacific Northwest a skeleton was found dating to around 8000 BC, turned out the man was Caucasian!


And let's not confuse Persian with Iranian or Iranic. Persians are an Iranic people, and have been the largest and most dominat branch for some time, therefore Iran has often been associated with them more than the other Iranic peoples.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

Officially, the Scythians were Iranians. Correct?

Well, if the Scythians were Persian tribes than they had to look like the Iranians. Correct?
But in 2006 a mummy of a Scythian was discovered in Mongolia. (In Mongolia!)
The dead man had light blond hair.

Blonde hair is not uncommon among Iranians. In fact in those times it was even more common. Visit certain parts of Iran today and you'll see a lot of people with blonde hair and/or blue eyes.