Arrata, Sumerians, Shamballa, the Turkish "Sun Language Theory" and the Scythians

[Armenian]

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Come on now it was a serious question, not meant to argue over your opinion (as I don't know it), just curious to know what you view(s) is on the subject.

I meant from Armenia - greater Armenia!

[Armanen]

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I meant from Armenia - greater Armenia!

Oh haha, my bad. Well then I more or less agree with you, what a suprise :P

[jgk3]

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I assume you also believe that negros and asians are not part of this Armenian derived mankind, but if I'm wrong, I'd be interested to hear your opinions on how they came about, if their ancestors were indeed us too.

[Armenian]

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Armenian Highlands:

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DISCOVERY OF 12,000-YEAR-OLD TEMPLE COMPLEX COULD ALTER THEORY OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT

As a child, Klaus Schmidt used to grub around in caves in his native Germany in the hope of finding prehistoric paintings. Thirty years later, representing the German Archaeological Institute, he found something infinitely more important -- a temple complex almost twice as old as anything comparable on the planet. "This place is a supernova", says Schmidt, standing under a lone tree on a windswept hilltop 35 miles north of Turkey’s border with Syria. "Within a minute of first seeing it I knew I had two choices: go away and tell nobody, or spend the rest of my life working here." Behind him are the first folds of the Anatolian plateau. Ahead, the Mesopotamian plain, like a dust-colored sea, stretches south hundreds of miles to Baghdad and beyond. The stone circles of Gobekli Tepe are just in front, hidden under the brow of the hill.

Compared to Stonehenge, Britain’s most famous prehistoric site, they are humble affairs. None of the circles excavated (four out of an estimated 20) are more than 30 meters across. What makes the discovery remarkable are the carvings of boars, foxes, lions, birds, snakes and scorpions, and their age. Dated at around 9,500 BC, these stones are 5,500 years older than the first cities of Mesopotamia, and 7,000 years older than Stonehenge. Never mind circular patterns or the stone-etchings, the people who erected this site did not even have pottery or cultivate wheat. They lived in villages. But they were hunters, not farmers. "Everybody used to think only complex, hierarchical civilizations could build such monumental sites, and that they only came about with the invention of agriculture", says Ian Hodder, a Stanford University Professor of Anthropology, who, since 1993, has directed digs at Catalhoyuk, Turkey’s most famous Neolithic site. "Gobekli changes everything. It’s elaborate, it’s complex and it is pre-agricultural. That fact alone makes the site one of the most important archaeological finds in a very long time."

With only a fraction of the site opened up after a decade of excavations, Gobekli Tepe’s significance to the people who built it remains unclear. Some think the site was the center of a fertility rite, with the two tall stones at the center of each circle representing a man and woman. It’s a theory the tourist board in the nearby city of Urfa has taken up with alacrity. Visit the Garden of Eden, its brochures trumpet, see Adam and Eve. Schmidt is skeptical about the fertility theory. He agrees Gobekli Tepe may well be "the last flowering of a semi-nomadic world that farming was just about to destroy," and points out that if it is in near perfect condition today, it is because those who built it buried it soon after under tons of soil, as though its wild animal-rich world had lost all meaning. But the site is devoid of the fertility symbols that have been found at other Neolithic sites, and the T-shaped columns, while clearly semi-human, are sexless. "I think here we are face to face with the earliest representation of gods", says Schmidt, patting one of the biggest stones. "They have no eyes, no mouths, no faces. But they have arms and they have hands. They are makers." "In my opinion, the people who carved them were asking themselves the biggest questions of all," Schmidt continued. "What is this universe? Why are we here?"

With no evidence of houses or graves near the stones, Schmidt believes the hill top was a site of pilgrimage for communities within a radius of roughly a hundred miles. He notes how the tallest stones all face southeast, as if scanning plains that are scattered with archeological sites in many ways no less remarkable than Gobekli Tepe. Last year, for instance, French archaeologists working at Djade al-Mughara in northern Syria uncovered the oldest mural ever found. "Two square meters of geometric shapes, in red, black and white - a bit like a Paul Klee painting," explains Eric Coqueugniot, the University of Lyon archaeologist who is leading the excavation. Coqueugniot describes Schmidt’s hypothesis that Gobekli Tepe was meeting point for feasts, rituals and sharing ideas as "tempting," given the site’s spectacular position. But he emphasizes that surveys of the region are still in their infancy. "Tomorrow, somebody might find somewhere even more dramatic." Director of a dig at Korpiktepe, on the Tigris River about 120 miles east of Urfa, Vecihi Ozkaya doubts the thousands of stone pots he has found since 2001 in hundreds of 11,500 year-old graves quite qualify as that. But his excitement fills his austere office at Dicle University in Diyarbakir. "Look at this", he says, pointing at a photo of an exquisitely carved sculpture showing an animal, half-human, half-lion. "It’s a sphinx, thousands of years before Egypt. Southeastern Turkey, northern Syria - this region saw the wedding night of our civilization."

Source: http://www.eurasianet.org/department...v041708a.shtml

[jgk3]

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That surely does change everything... And thank god for that, it's about time the conventional agriculture-civilization relationship theory got a nice kick in the stomach. It opens up so many doors of thinking again about all the possibilities during our pre-historic existence that science conveniently left out, except for the DNA story and some stories of major migratory routes.

[ara87]

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remember that some 500 years ago we were told that Earth was flat.
The skeptics must also remember that the story of Pompei was a legend too, until the city was discovered.

while i understand your point, you shouldn't use the earth is flat statement, b/c it's not true. Columbus knew the earth was round, as did many before him.

[Armenian]

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Discovery: Archaeologists find Iron Age mausoleum in Lori province

Archeologists at work in the Gogaran village of the Lori province have recently, surprisingly, discovered a mausoleum unlike others that appeared in Armenia. The discovery announced in September is a novelty for the group of specialists of the National Academy of Sciences of Armenia as it differs from other earlier known mausoleums in style and material it revealed. Unlike those in other finds, the mausoleum is made of hewn stone (instead of clay bricks). The structure is 14 meters in diameter, and is believed to have been prepared for a local prince from during the Iron Age (9th-7th century BC). The mausoleum is surrounded with half-processed and semi-concaved large stones, rimmed with smaller ones. Excavators’ attention has also been drawn by the flagstone shield of the mausoleum and the small grave pit rimmed with a small circle comprising articles typical of funeral rites. Hrachik Marukyan, researcher at the Lori provincial service for historic environment conservation of Armenia, says the age of the mausoleum is determined by the materials found there. The family of the ruler buried him in a special funeral rite, burying also his dagger, small and large ceramic vessels, a ceramic plate, and a necklace believed to be onyx, and also cattle and still unexamined species of animals. “Proof of its age is found in the blade of the dagger,” Marukyan says. Marukyan points to the unique architectural structure of the mausoleum, the variety of geometric drawings on one of the large stones of the circle with a row of triangles, and the equal-winged cross inside the circle. “The cross indicates the four sides of the world and is the symbol of the Sun taken into the circle. It becomes a swastika, when turned, symbolizing the eternity of power over the world,” Marukyan says. Doctor of History and corresponding member of the National Academy of Sciences Aram Kalantaryan, a participant to the Gogaran expedition, believes the ruler belonged to the ancestors of Armenians. “Despite the decay of the remnants with only part of the little finger and several teeth remaining, there are no doubts the ruler belonged to Armenians,” Marukyan insists, saying despite the remains have not been exposed to genetic identification yet, the ancient monuments so far discovered on the territory of Lori belong to the Armenian culture. The findings are now moved to Yerevan for examination.

Source: http://www.armenianow.com/?action=vi...D=1203&lng=eng

[Armenian]

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Perhaps related to the discovery above, a couple of years ago an archeological site within Armenia revealed five thousand year old artifacts and human remains said to be of Aryan tribes; yet again providing strong evidence that ancient Aryans (Indo-Europeans) originated within the Armenian Highlands. Third millennium BC is a significant date because it's more-or-less two thousand years before the time when, according to mainstream academia in the West, Aryan were supposed to have entered the region in question via Thrace.

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Armenian Archeologists Unearth Third Millennium B.C. Aryan Burial Mounds

Archeologists said Wednesday they have unearthed burial mounds dating back to the third millennium B.C. which they believe contain remains and trinkets from ancient Aryan nomads. Historian Hakob Simonian said Wednesday that the four mounds were among 30 discovered about 35 miles west of the Armenian capital Yerevan, containing beads made of agate, carnelian and as well as the remains of what appears to be a man, aged 50-55. Also found were remains of domesticated horses and glazed pottery appearing to show chariots, Simonian said. The Aryans, who later became known as Persians, were largely grassland nomads who settled in what is today Iran and eventually in parts of India.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1297926