The Cradle of the Human Race Was at the North Pole

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Hello, fellow forums members.

I know that poster Armenian believes that Armenia is the cradle of the human race. Well, OK..... maybe.....
But before he posts his proof, let's first take a look at the facts and theories that support the North Pole theory.

I have number of books and articles on that subject, but I don't want to post everything at once so let's start with these materials first:

"THE ARCTIC HOME IN THE VEDAS"

(By Lokamanya Bâl Gangâdhar Tilak):

"If man existed before the last Glacial period and witnessed the gigantic changes which brought on the Ice Age, it is not unnatural to expect that a reference, howsoever concealed and distant, to these events would be found in the oldest traditionary beliefs and memories of mankind; Dr. Warren in his interesting and highly suggestive work the Paradise Found or the Cradle of the Human Race at the North Pole has attempted to interpret ancient myths and legends in the light of modern scientific discoveries, and has come to the conclusion that the original home of the whole human race must be sought for in regions near the North Pole.

My object is not so comprehensive. I intend to confine myself only to the Vedic literature and show that if we read some of the passages in the Vedas, which have hitherto been considered incomprehensible, in the light of the new scientific discoveries we are forced to the conclusion that the home of the ancestors of the Vedic people was somewhere near the North Pole before the last Glacial epoch."

Poona City, India, 1903

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Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak (Marathi: बाळ गंगाधर टिळक) (July 23, 1856 - August 1, 1920), was an Indian nationalist, social reformer and independence fighter who was the first popular leader of the Indian Independence Movement and is known as "Father of the Indian unrest." Tilak was one of the first and strongest proponents for Swaraj ( complete independence) in Indian consciousness, and is considered the father of Hindu nationalism as well. His famous quote, "Swaraj is my birthright, and I will have it!" is well-remembered in India even today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Gangadhar_Tilak

I will post more material, but right now let's concentrate on this book.
By the way, the author of this book was not just from India, he was an Indian nationalist which makes this book especially credible.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: The Cradle of the Human Race Was at the North Pole

Steppes of Russia and toadstool complex.

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Steppes of Russia .... complex.

Actually, you need to go MUCH higher, freakyfreaky, to places like Kola Peninsula, the Island of Vaigach, Karelia, Ural Mountains, West Siberia, Khakasia and Yakutia.


Here's an interesting quote from "Eden Was the North Pole!" article:

'Philologists have found a common origin for Sanskrit, Persian, and European languages. Literary Russian language has 30 to 40 percent of words with Sanskrit origin...

'The original Siberian home of our Vedic ancestors has been conclusively shown in our Vedas in many places. Rig Veda mentions the existence of large Aryan kingdoms in Roosam (Russia) and Hariyupia (Eastern Europe).' (p. 116.)

The proof appears to be conclusive: One people with three different names: (Yakut, Saka [Scythian], and Buryat (Bharat), the true name of India; the same DNA; the same spiritual and historical traditions; the same names of landforms, rivers, etc. How can anyone keep all this locked in the closet?

If the Hindu, xxxish, and Christian myths are true, there is no doubt that the North Pole was the Garden of Eden. It is well-known that at one time, the climate at the North Pole was pleasantly mild and that abundant flora and fauna existed there.

Dr. Valery Dyemen, a Russian researcher of the Arctic, is convinced that Hyperborea existed. He said:

'I believe we should be looking for the traces of that civilization in Eurasia and American arctic regions, in the islands and archipelagos of the Arctic Oceans, at the bottom of some seas, lakes and rivers. It's worthy of notice that Russia has the largest number of locations and artifacts that could bear relevance to Hyperborea. Some ... have already drawn attention of specialists; others are yet to be discovered.
Active exploration is currently under way in the Kola Peninsula, in the Island of Vaigach, in Karelia, Ural Mountains, West Siberia, Khakasia, Yakutia, and a few other regions. There are good prospects for conducting research in Franz Josef Land, Taimyr, and Yamal.'(UFO Digest, 1/12/2007.)

'One of the charts by Gerhardus Mercator, the 16th century Flemish cartographer and geographer, shows a huge continent lying in the vicinity of the North Pole. The land is an archipelago composed of several islands divided by deep rivers. A mountain sits in the center of the land (according to legends, the ancestors of Indo-Europeans lived near Mount Meru). The question is: How did that land appear on the chart? There was no information whatsoever regarding the Arctic regions during the Middle Ages. We have some reasons to believe that Mercator had used an ancient chart, the one that is mentioned in his letter dated 1580. That chart showed a continent located in the center of the Arctic Ocean, which was pictured ice-free on the chart. Mercator's chart seems to be based on the ancient chart.'

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[jgk3]

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I don't think it too unlikely that the Northern Indians were related genetically to the Yakuts. However, based on my research on Siberian aboriginals, their nomadic tribes came from the Buryat, they started off around Lake Baikal and even the Steppes to the south of it back when it was cool enough there to allow for a thriving reindeer herd culture. They remained in this homeland up until 1000BC I believe, and although it's possible that they would migrate along north-south routes through Siberia, they would only begin their fulfledged colonization of Siberia after global temperatures warmed and caused the Taiga climate to recede northward.

This history makes me skeptical of claims that all these peoples started off in the far North, where modern day descendants of the original reindeer herders live (Taimyr and Verkhoyansk are among the coldest and most inhospitable lands on the face of the Earth, in fact, the latter is nicknamed "The Pole of Cold". Both have been traditional lands that Evenki and Saka peoples have used for their reindeer herds for several centuries).

However, I do believe that they have genes in common with Indians, Russians, Scandinavians, etc... though their respective aggregate makeups are quite distinct. In respects to the Siberian aboriginals for example, their genetic profile is different enough to exclude them from Caucasian categorization, whilst for Northern Indians (and some even argue this about Southern Indians) and Russians, this is not the case.

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I wonder why is the mainstream media pushing for the out-of-Africa theory? Is there some agenda hehind it?

Here's a quote from the Bradshaw Foundation:

We are the descendants of a few small groups of tropical Africans....

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey

[jgk3]

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it's a good way to undermine (or at least limit) people's fascination towards their nation's ancient heritage imo. Traditionally, if you were Greek, you would believe your ancestors and all their wisdom and blood came from tribes chronicled by Greek historians, ditto for Armenians, Englishmen, Germans, French, Italians, Russians, etc... the list goes on. But now, this out of Africa theory exists, and it's designed to be a "1 glove fits all" theory that says, "It doesn't matter what tribes your descended from, if you go back far enough, we were all black". It also puts a damper on racism, obviously. I think the agenda is one that is designed to help us in our multicultural society, at least in the intellectual arena, to make peace and follow the protocols of "political correctness".

Now, to criticize the motives of those who established this theory as the dominant one in the west would also lead us to note how this has been done time and time again throughout history, for all kinds of nations and tribes... Doesn't it make sense to establish a unifying theory of people's origins that normalize all members of the nominally priviledged/middle class citizens? Especially in a mass consumerist culture at that, so that they can all go shopping at the mall in peace, retain the same short end of the stick when it comes to dealing with banks, etc... It's just another means to keep things in middle class society efficient in a commercially profitable way. If the members who made up these classes quarreled through on their respective "pest" of patriotism, homage to their own ancient roots, etc... no one would believe in the same things and it would be difficult to have everyone lead by the same national dogma.

More specifically, it puts a damper on calling Africans "apes" (which has been an oh so popular phenomenon amongst non-African peoples and to this day continues to be so), because then you'd be calling yourself one.

Whether the out of Africa theory is right or not is besides the point. This is the effect.

[Armanen]

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It's funny how at the same time you here all the bs about "diversity", yet really the powers that be would like to see no such thing, because diversity would actually lead to nationalism, which like you said would cause tensions in society-especially mixed ones like the u.s. and parts of western europe.

[jgk3]

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diversity is our strength! So we must focus on each other's differences in an optimistic, happy and non-critical way!

I wouldn't find this so hard to do if our ethnic diversity wasn't also tied to our behavioral diversity. This behavioral diversity part is the bothersome bit, because we have double standards that stand to protect (with tax payer's money) the destructive or otherwise much despised habits of some people, and not those of others.

But honestly, so long as I got to do what makes me happy and not feel isolated in life, these things aren't of much concern to me, and thinking about them would make me frown for no good reason.

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http://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Found-William-F-Warren/dp/1410100847

Paradise Found, by William F. Warren, [1885]

CHAPTER II.
THE EDEN DAY.
Such day
As heaven's great year brings forth.



To the first men, if the Garden of Eden was located at the Pole, there could have been but one day and one night in a year. Moreover, at the break of that strange day the sun must have risen, not in the East, as in postdiluvian times, but in the South. Do the traditions or sacred books of the ancient world afford any hint of such a sunrise and of such an Eden day?

A partial answer to this question is found in the beliefs of the ancient Northmen. A learned Danish writer pronounces it "remarkable" that the Scandinavian mythology informs us that, before the establishment of the present order of the world, the sun, which now rises in the East, "rose in the South."

Equally striking confirmations appear in other mythologies. Turning to the second Fargard of the Avesta, we find the most ancient Iranian account of Yima, the first man and "the King of the Golden Age." A detailed account is also given of a certain


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[paragraph continues] Vara, or inclosure, which as a safe habitation—a kind of Garden of Eden—he was divinely commanded to make. Then comes this singular question and answer: "O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! What lights are there in the Vara which Yima made?"

"Ahura Mazda answered: There are uncreated lights and created lights. There the stars, the moon, and the sun are only once a year seen to rise and set, and a year seems only as a day." 1 Haug's version of the last clause is, "And they think that a day which is a year." 2 Spiegel's is the same, 3 although in his Commentary he confesses himself perplexed as to the meaning of so remarkable a declaration. "The really genuine words," he observes, "are very difficult." They are not so when once the key is found.

That the East Aryans had the same idea is also evident from the Laws of Manu. Among this people Yama—the same as the Iranian Yima—was the first man. His first abode, as we have seen, was at the North Pole, and at death he became a god, the guardian of the South Pole, at which was the region of the dead. But though the Hindus no longer associated him with the North at the time of the writing of this ancient book, they well understood that Yama's primitive Eden in Ilâvrita, around the north polar Meru, where the gods reside, has only one day and one night in the year. This is the language of the Code: "A year of mortals is a day



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and a night of the gods, or regents of the universe seated around the North Pole; and again their division is this: their day is the northern and their night the southern course of the sun." 1

In like manner, in the Sűrya Siddhânta we read, "The gods behold the sun, after it is once arisen, for half a year." 2

Equally unmistakable is the language of the probably more ancient work, lately translated under the title of "The Institutes of Vishnu:"—

"The northern progress of the sun is a day with the gods.

"The southern progress of the sun is (with them) a night.

"A year is (with them) a day and a night." 3




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This strange notion is perfectly clear and comprehensible the moment we assume that the long-lived fathers and first regents of the human race originally dwelt at the North Pole, and that these, apotheosized and glorified in the imagination of later generations, in time became the gods which ancient nations worshiped.

Both in the Iliad and Odyssey the learned Anton Krichenbauer finds two kinds of days continually referred to. In what he considers the more ancient portions of the poems, the day is a period of one year's duration, especially when used in describing the life and exploits of the gods; in what he considers the more modern portions, the term has its modern meaning as a period of twenty-four hours. He quotes Lepsius as recognizing a similar "one-day year" in the Egyptian and other ancient chronologies; also the mention made of it by Palaifatos and Suidas. 1

In all such hitherto unnoticed testimonies—and we have not exhausted the list of them 2—we have new and singularly unimpeachable evidences that in the thought of these ancient peoples the land in which the generated gods and men alike originated was a land in which, as in our Polar Eden, a day and a night filled out the year. And if such was their



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idea, whence, save from actual tradition, could they have derived it? As cautious a scientific authority as Sir Charles Lyell, speaking of these cosmological and chronological traditions of the Hindus, says: "We can by no means look upon them as a pure effort of the unassisted imagination, or believe them to have been composed without regard to opinions and theories founded on the observation of Nature." 1

Even where the tradition has become distorted or inverted among barbarians, the parallelism of the year and the day is not always lost. A curious instance of this has come under the notice of the writer since the present chapter was begun: "In those days (in the world before the present) the seasons were much shorter than they are now. A year then was but as a day of our time."

Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/pf/pf26.htm

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From Paradise Found, by William F. Warren:

The Egyptian Conception.—

The correspondence of the ancient Egyptian conception of the world and of heaven with the foregoing would be remarkable did we not know that Egypt was the cradle of the Hebrew people. The ancient inhabitants of the Nile valley had the same idea as to the direction of the true summit of the earth.

To them, as to the Hebrews, it was in the North. This was the more remarkable since it was exactly contrary to all the natural indications of their own country, which continually ascended toward the South. As stated in a previous chapter, Brugsch says, "The Egyptians conceived of the earth as rising toward the North, so that in its northernmost point it at last joined the sky." 1 In correspondence herewith the Egyptians located their Ta-nuter, or "land of the gods," in the extreme North.

2 On this account it is on the northern exterior wall of the great temple of Ammon at Karnac that the divinity promises to King Rameses II. the products of that heavenly country, "silver, gold, lapis-lazuli, and all the varieties of precious stones of the land of the gods." Hence, also, contrary to all natural indications, the northern hemisphere was considered the realm of light, the southern the realm of darkness. 3

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[paragraph continues] The passage out of the secret chambers of the Great Pyramid was pointed precisely at the North Pole of the heavens. All the other pyramids had their openings only on the northern side. That this arrangement had some religious significance few students of the subject have ever doubted. If our interpretation is correct, such passages from the burial chamber toward the polar heaven intimated a vital faith that from the chamber of death to the highest abode of life, imperishable and divine, the road is straight and ever open.

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