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Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

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  • Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

    Is that what's going on here?.....


    Thanks to Israeli training, we're fending off Russia - Jooish Georgian Minister Temur Yakobshvili

    Source - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html




    Temur Yakobshvili




    Killer Georgian Khazars trained by USA #1 terror nation

    Operation Immediate Response begins in Country of Georgia
    Story by Lance Cpl. Edward H. Currie

    VAZIANI TRAINING BASE, Georgia (July 12, 2008) – Marines are used to training in foreign climates, preparing themselves for any situation, but for one group of grunts, the training will not only be for their unit but also for a new ally in the war on terrorism.

    Marines from 3rd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment, left Cleveland July 10, for the Country of Georgia to continue training and assist in Operation Immediate Response in which American forces will help train the Georgian Armed Forces.

    "Our primary hope," said Lt. Col. Minter Ralston IV, Inspector-Instructor, 3/25, "is to establish a strong bond with the Georgian army, train them proficiently and work in a safe training environment all while having a good cultural exchange."

    This exercise is part of what Marine Forces Europe refers to as a Theater Security Cooperation, which puts countries together to make Marines and other services more proficient and familiar with each other’s operations, stated Ralston.

    http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...0&tof=14&frt=2



    The origin of the Khazars has been much disputed, and they have been variously regarded as akin to the Georgians, Finno-Ugrians and Turks. This last view is perhaps the most probable. Their king Joseph, in answer to the inquiry of Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova (c. 958), stated that his people sprang from Thogarmah, grandson of Japhet, and the supposed ancestor of the other peoples of the Caucasus.

    The Arab geographers who knew the Khazars best connect them either with the Georgians (Ibn Athir) or with the Armenians (Dimishqi, ed. Mehren, p. 263); whilst Abmad ibn Fadlan, who passed through Khazaria on a mission from the caliph Moqtadir (A.D. 925), positively asserts that the Khazar tongue differed not only from the Turkish, but from that of the bordering nations, which were Ugrian.

    http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Khazars



    RELATIONS BETWEEN THE KHAZARS AND THE GEORGIANS

    In Russian:

    Yunusov, Arif. Meshetinskie turki: dva deportirovan narod. Baku: Zaman, 2000. Includes discussion of the settlement of Khazars and other Turks in Georgia and their relations with the Georgian people.


    http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/bookstext/...id/409939.html

    http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-biblio/sec12.html
    From Victory to Victory!

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    Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

    Maybe they could have (strong) relations with Georgians but Khazars were a Central Asian Turkic tribe and Turkic speaking people
    No race connection with Georgians or any other Caucasian tribes.

    Their religion was Tengrism- kind of a Shamanism and with this, some of whom were christian and muslim. They were making trade wth J ews - they had strong relations with J ewish people and some other Turkic tribes -Pechenegs
    ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechenegs ) and Oghuzs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks ) were fighting them. For these reasons they converted to judaism, they became J ewish Turks.

    They disappeared with muslim Arap-Persian attacks,maybe they mixed with European J ews. . .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

    Language is an evidence


    So Georgians can't be Turkic people ! And their language is very far!! No Georgian words are common with Turkish . -Georgians is a kind of indo-european language it is not Ural-Altic.


    I can understand conversatians from Uygurs,Turcomans,Uzbeks, Kazakhs, and Azerbaijanis but I can't understand only a word from Georgian
    Last edited by Kanki; 08-14-2008, 01:00 AM.

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      Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

      georgian is not an Aryan language, it is part of the southern caucasian language family. And the khazars descendants are now the vast majority of the world's 16 mil. jooish population.
      For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
      to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



      http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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        Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

        This Yakobshvili character is a Gurjim otherwise known as Georgian J-ews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_xxxs

        No to be mixed with Juvuros otherwise known as Caucasian J-ews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_xxxs
        These ones are mainly in Azerbaijan and the vast majority of them are even more pro-Azerbaijan and anti-Armenian than Azeris themselfs.

        Khazars were a turkchi tribe. Some of them converted to Judaism but there were also Christian and Muslim Khazars. All Khazars have disappeared into many nations and are non existent today.

        Georgians are not the descendants of Khazars. Georgians are Caucasians but they are a far smaller ethnic group than they like others to believe. They say there are 8 million Georgians in the world, the reality is they are no more than 3 million and that's a very optimistic figure.

        As far as I'm concerned through out the history there were only two groups of decent Georgians that have ever existed.

        The first group: The Georgian decendants of the Armenian Bagratuni royal dinasty known in Georgia as Bagrationi. They have produced the greatest kings and queens of the Georgian history (Davit and Tamar).

        The second group: The Georgian nobles of the 18 and 19 century who were extremely closely intewoven with Russia. Some of them were decendants of Bagrationis, some were from the families of tribal chiefs of far flanked Georgian regions. None of them however were Georgian J-ews.

        This second group was the beacon of light for Georgia in terms of intellect, military, politics and culture. It also cemented an Orthodox Russo-Georgian Union that lasted for centuries. Until it was killed by Georgian peasants under the absolute leadership of Georgian J-ews (who were the largest group within these peasants). Disguised as Mensheviks and Bolsheviks they took control of Georgia in the beginning of the 20th century. Mensheviks were the first to reach the power and the first thing they did is to invite the Turks and welcome them to Georgia as their chief advisors and helpers. Then they declared war on Armenia and tried to annex our northern parts but were defeated by the Armenian Army in a very brief but devastating war (similar to what just happened in South Ossetia). Then Bolsheviks took over and produced monsters like Stalin and Beria.

        Anyway, cut the long story short: Fuk these bastards who call themselfs Georgians, because they are NOT real Georgians. Real Georgians in Georgia are a silent minority keeping it nice and quiet because they have no choice. Their elite actually moved to Russia long time ago and are currently there. And these ones are Georgia's hope.

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          Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

          Originally posted by HayotzAmrotz View Post
          Then Bolsheviks took over and produced monsters like Stalin and Beria.
          What about Anastas Mikoyan?

          He was on good terms with Stalin. Perhaps their friendship is the reason why Stalin didn't merge Armenia into another Soviet republic like he intended to.

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            Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

            Originally posted by TomServo View Post
            What about Anastas Mikoyan?

            He was on good terms with Stalin. Perhaps their friendship is the reason why Stalin didn't merge Armenia into another Soviet republic like he intended to.
            What about him? He was a Hayastantsi, nothing really to do with Georgia or even Georgian Armenians. Mikoyan was the most decent man in the entire Bolshevik/Communist era. Very honest, principled and intelligent man. Stalin always respected him, at first because he recognized Mikoyan's superiority, Anastas was a more senior figure and more respected man than Stalin. Later, when Stalin was under "The Kaganovich spell", he became scared of Mikoyan. But Even Kaganovich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaganovich, the real father of the Great Purge, respected Mikoyan. Anyway, Stalin and Mikoyan were not buddies. Stalin was a wise guy, a real "thief-in-law", while Mikoyan was a true revolutionary with ideas and principles and also a patriot.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastas_Mikoyan

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              Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

              Not to mention the fact that kaganovich was a joo!
              For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
              to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



              http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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              • #8
                Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

                It's not just Saakashvilli who's acting crazy.


                A Short Chronicle of Events of the 1992-93 Georgian-Abkhazian War

                August 25, 1992

                The commander of the Georgian army, G. Qarqarashvili, issues an ultimatum: the Abkhaz are to halt their unsuccessful war within 24 hours. "Even if 100,000 out of the total number of Georgians perish," Qarqarashvili states, "we shall wipe out the entire population of you Abkhazians."



                October 23, 1992



                Georgian special forces in Sukhum burn down the state historical archive of Abkhazia and the archive of the Institute of Abkhazian language, history and literature.

                READ MORE - http://www.circassianworld.com/croniclewar.html




                Thanks to Israeli training, we're fending off Russia - Jooish Georgian Minister Temur Yakobshvili

                Source - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html




                Temur Yakobshvili
                From Victory to Victory!

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                • #9
                  Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

                  Hello, fellow forum members.

                  Georgia is a weapon that Joos use against ALL Russian/Slavic nations.
                  And here's why:


                  Georgia: Israel’s Home Sweet Home

                  Posted August 16, 2008

                  By Hesham Tillawi, PhD

                  The Israeli Georgian Connection is more than a thousand years old. Most of the xxxish residents of Israel are of the same stock as of the xxxs of Georgia. Non should be shocked to discover the depth of Israel’s involvement in the Georgian/Russian conflict. Once examined, the historical blood relation between Israeli xxxs and Georgian xxxs, it all becomes clear. Let us take a look first at the current relationship after which we will prove the historical connection between them a little later.

                  Georgian Minister Temur Yakobashvili said Saturday August 9, 2008 one day after Georgia attacked South Ossetia – “The Israelis should be proud of themselves for the Israeli training and education received by the Georgian soldiers…”

                  The Jerusalem Post on August 12, 2008 reported: “Georgian Prime Minister Vladimer (Lado) Gurgenidze(xxxish) made a special call to Israel Tuesday morning to receive a blessing from one of the Haredi community’s most important rabbis and spiritual leaders, Rabbi Aharon Leib Steinman.” The Prime Minister of Georgia, principally a nation of Orthodox Christians called Rabbi Steinman saying ‘I’ve heard he is a holy man. I want him to pray for us and our state.’

                  In addition to the many government officials in Georgia who are ‘xxxish‘ in one way or another is one man in particular, Davit Kezerashvili who holds the position of Defense Minister and who just so happens also to hold Israeli citizenship. Interestingly, his last name happens to be ‘Kezerashvili’ which translates in the Georgian language to ‘child-of-the-Kezer (khazar)’.

                  Besides the aforementioned men, over a 1000 Israeli military trainers are in Georgia as well as many retired Israeli Generals who have made Georgia home. Lasha Zhvania, Georgia’s former Ambassador to Israel who won election to Georgia’s parliament back on May 21 on the promise to increase Israeli tourism and investments in his country. His mother is xxxish, and in 1988, she brought him to Israel to meet his grandfather, aunts, and other relatives. After that, he returned to Israel every year to get together with relatives dispersed in Kiryat Bialik, Haifa, Nahariya and Netanya. Tens of thousands of Israelis made Georgia their favorite tourists destination. It is clear that the relationship between Georgia and Israel is more than just a political or diplomatic relationship, it seems they also have a xxxish connection and maybe xxxish blood that dates back over 1400 years ago.

                  Author Arthur Koestler, a xxx himself wrote ‘The evidence adds up to a strong case in favor of those modern historians — whether Austrian, Israeli or Polish — who, independently from each other, have argued that the bulk of modern xxxry is not of Palestinian, but of Caucasian origin.

                  The mainstream of xxxish migrations did not flow from the Mediterranean across France and Germany to the east and then back again. The stream moved in a consistently westerly direction, from the Caucasus through the Ukraine into Poland and thence into Central Europe. When that unprecedented mass-settlement in Poland came into being, there were simply not enough xxxs around in the west to account for it; while in the east a whole nation was on the move to new frontiers.” The Caucasus is where the Georgians dwelled and still do. Lets follow this a little deeper to see if we can make a connection between the xxxs of Georgia who found themselves on top of Georgia’s political hierarchy with the help of our own CIA and the xxxs of Israel who came to Palestine after WWI and II which makes the bulk of Israeli xxxs.

                  Abraham Poliak, an Israeli professor of Medieval xxxish History asked ‘How far we can go in regarding this [Khazar] xxxry as the nucleus of the large xxxish settlement in Eastern Europe? The descendants of this settlement constitute now the large majority of world xxxry.” Austrian historian Kutschera wrote that ‘Eastern European xxxs are entirely of Khazarian origin. Even Western Europe xxxs who spoke Yiddish or a derivative off such as the xxxs of France and Germany had to have came from the Khazar xxxs due to the fact that there are no trace of Yiddish in any Western European language.

                  For those unfamiliar with the term ‘Khazar,’ it was a person from the Khazar Kingdom which occupied the land between the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea. Until the 9th century the Khazars were the masters of the land, very rich due to its vast resources, strategic location and its unrealistic taxation (extortion) systems of surrounding kingdoms. The Khazars adopted the xxxish religion after being pressured to adopt a monotheistic religion similar to the Christians in the West or the Muslims in the East, but decided to adopt Judaism in order to remain independent of the other two religions of the time. The Khazar Kingdom enjoyed strength and prosperity which allowed it to increase its size to include the regions north of the Black Sea and the adjoining steppe and forest regions of the Dnieper. The Khazars controlled the southern half of Eastern Europe for a century and a half, and presented a mighty bulwark, blocking the Ural-Caspian gateway from Asia into Europe. During this whole period, they held back the onslaught of the nomadic tribes from the East.

                  “The collapse of the Hun Empire after Attila’s death left a power-vacuum in Eastern Europe, through which once more, wave after wave of nomadic hordes swept from east to west, prominent among them the Uigurs and Avars. The Khazars during most of this period seemed to be happily occupied with raiding the rich trans-Caucasian regions of Georgia and Armenia, and collecting precious plunder. During the second half of the sixth century they became the dominant force among the tribes north of the Caucasus”

                  In 965 AD Russ prince Svyatoslav of Kiev, undertook many military campaigns which led to the breaking up of the Khazar Empire. The Khazar state may have survived until the middle of the 12th century where from 965 AD until its destruction went through many periods of war, peace, and alliances with the Arabs, the Russ, the Persians and the Byzantines separately or in conjunction. Many of its subjects adopted either Islam or Christianity and those who decided to keep their faith migrated to Eastern Europe, Russia or migrated to the south as we are told by Persian poet, Khakani (circa 1106-90) who spent most of his life as a civil servant in the Caucasus and had first hand knowledge of the Caucasian tribes. Khakani told us of ‘Devent Khazars’ where Darband being the defile or ‘turnstile’ between the Caucasus and the Black Sea through which the Khazars used to raid Georgia in the old days. Therefore, it is a fact of history that many Khazar xxxs went through this passageway to take refuge in Georgia.

                  It took 800 years for the Khazar xxxs to meet again, after going through Russia, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, and Palestine before they joined forces, again, with their brethren in Georgia against their old arch enemy, the Russ. What took place on August 8, 2008 in South Ossetia proves two points: first, that the Khazar xxxs never forgot the war of 965 AD and their defeat by the Russians and (2) today’s “xxxs” in “Israel” have no historical claim to the land of Palestine.

                  Once again we see Zionism, manifesting itself in the illegal state of “Israel” dragging the World into yet another new conflict between a nuclear armed Russia and a nuclear armed US.

                  http://heshamtillawi.wordpress.com/2...ome-sweet-home



                  Thanks to Israeli training, we're fending off Russia - Jooisg Georgian Minister Temur Yakobshvili

                  Source - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html




                  Temur Yakobshvili
                  From Victory to Victory!

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                    Re: Are The Georgians The Descendants of Khazars?

                    Georgia should join to Israel: They are all for Misha

                    From Victory to Victory!

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