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**Armenian** · 09-08-2008, 10:22 AM

Re: Russia in Bible Prophecy

Related material from my Russian thread.

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For the religious and/or the superstitious, an interesting interview by the eccentric Roman Catholic Priest and former Jesuit, Malachi Martin. With great interest I have read many of his works concerning theology and politics. The following interview, recorded on April 18, 1996, among other things touches upon the "One World Order" and the Russian Federation. The paragraph about "Our Lady of Fatima" and its predictions about Russia are interesting, to say the least. The believers in the prophesy are more-or-less saying that once Russia corrects its Bolshevik errors it will become a global savior. I think this is an interesting proposition, especially now that Russia is increasingly finding itself having to resist the evils of the global elite. Something to think about...

Armenian

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Malachi Martin

Interviewer:

One of your books is about the `New World Order'. What is it?

Malachi Martin:

The `New World Order' is a new system of financial arrangements by which the trade of the world has been re-organized according to the new globalist principles. Most people think the New World Order is about to come. The New World Order is here already, which means that our trade and the flow of capital and the flow of capital goods are regulated by an international body of men and women, mainly men, and that has only started, and, I suppose, when you are my age it will be in full swing. It's the New World order and it's going to regulate governments because all governments depend on money and if they don't get the money and don't have the flow of capital and capital goods; if they can't trade, they die. That's the New World Order. Seventy or a hundred years ago a nation could live without ever trading. Now you can't, and even the so-called communist states like North Korea now find that they will perish unless they trade, and they have to enter this New World Order. It all depends how far this New World Order is going to go because the New World Order is animated by one thing, and one thing only - profit - money. You and I both know as human beings and as believers that money has no morality in itself, just as capitalism has no inherent morality in itself, so that if money is the dominant factor in the New World Order it must be leavened by belief and by religion and by the more beautiful things of human life, otherwise we will deteriorate into a jungle, so that's the New World Order.

Interviewer:

You mentioned that the New World Order is controlled by global principles. Can you tell me about these global principles?

Malachi Martin:

The global principles nowadays are in ways rather baffling because there's no doubt about it that the tendency of the globalist groups now existing, who are very powerful, is to limit the population of the earth. It is to make certain continents both dumping grounds and extraction grounds, that is, grounds where waste can be dumped and where the goods of the earth can be extracted. It is very safe to say, for instance, that Africa, the continent of Africa, is now a place from which the other nations are going to extract goods, and they're not going to enrich Africa necessarily, and anyway, Africa politically is way back I suppose at the level at which Europe was in the 12th Century, not even that, so that there's no real governmental institutions in the various countries, but Africa is one of those countries which is unfortunate because the New World Order is going to use it as a place for extracting gold, oil, manganese, lead, wood, etc., etc., but not enriching it to the same measure, so that's one principle, it's to limit population the use of population. Number two: There is the fact that certain nations are favored; there's no doubt about that. The major seven industrial nations have a higher standard of living and accordingly, as they advance their standard of living the others can't catch up. You can't imagine the Pygmies in the Kalahari Desert catching up with New York or England or Germany or Belgium or France, so there's necessarily a big division arising. You have that exemplified completely in India where there are about 25 million people who can hold their own with anybody in the West in culture, in science, in religion, and then you have a vast population.

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Interviewer:

Could you give me a short list of the principles of the New World Order?

Malachi Martin:

There's the question of international trade, everybody must trade, you can't live without trading. You must belong to the international banking system, otherwise you won't get capital and you must trade in order to get capital goods come to you and you send your capital goods abroad and therefore live and not die. You must also participate in global education for your children, for your families, for your cities, for your government; and you must also subscribe to the international laws that are now being established. For instance, the European Union, the EU insists that every government provide abortion for their people, and that's a necessity; you must have that. Also contraceptives, you must apply that, it's one of the laws of the EU and they're going to extend it to any nation that joins the European Union, and so on. Then you have the question of foreign policy. That one alone will be decided by local Parliaments, by say, the Parliament in Canada, in Ottawa, or the United States Senate and Congress, that would be all decided by an international body, probably some form of the United Nations. Those are the main principles of the New World Order, but it is also basically anti the morality as preached by the old religions. It is against that. It wants to have another form of the family. It doesn't want the traditional family style. It wants family in the broad sense of the word, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual, whether it's single units or many units, communal families, it wants a very, very pliable and flexible and plastic definition of family, whereas the old religions say no, it's father, mother and children and extended relatives, so there's a clash there.

Interviewer:

Who are the main players working to create the New World Order?

Malachi Martin:

What most people don't know is that every day there are billions of dollars sloshed around in the international markets - London, Tokyo, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Rome, Paris, wherever, and there are probably millions of small investors. There are just a few investors who play daily, hold your hat, they play with about $60 billion. That's an awful lot of money. And they decide the flow of capital goods, they decide the life and death of nations and of governments, and it's not a conspiracy, it's just that they're very wealthy. They have timber here and rubber there and coal over there and automobiles in another country and gold mining or diamonds or in another country; they have extensive wealth, and they're mainly men, about 60-80 of them, some women, but mainly men, and of course they decide communications, they decide the big questions that are to be decided. They're in armaments, they're merchants of death, as we call them, but the decide the flow of armaments and who can create a war, who can fight a war and who can't fight a war. These are mainly the people who do it. It's a question of money, and they know each other because as the present Pope is always saying, if you have thirty men in a room and five men are ten feet high and the rest are five feet high, guess who the 10-feett high men are going to talk to. It stands to reason. If I can gamble with you, if I can play opposite you with my $40 billion, and you have $40 billion or $10 billion or $60 billion, obviously you and I are going to be sparring partners and partners too in business because we can finance things, so they run the world from the point of view of trade and capital and the New World Order, and they will decide whether the United Nations can make a decision in the UN Security Council or not, if they're going to finance it, or not, and whether the American government would be allowed finance for a visit to Bosnia with its 25,000 troops we have there at the present moment, whether Syria can wage a war, whether Israel can attack Iran, which now seems is one of the possibilities in order that they can kill off the terrorism, but that's not a decision by the Kinesit in Israel alone. They've got to depend on financial backing.

Malachi Martin:

There is a place in Portugal called Fatima, after the eldest daughter of Mohammed, who converted, at least the person who carried her name was a Moorish princess who converted, and she was called Fatima, and the town is called Fatima. There in 1917 three children claimed that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to them and gave them special messages for Catholics and for the Pope and the messages were very, very dire and were very chastising. They threatened the world with great punishment if the world didn't stop committing sin. There were three secrets mainly, and there was a third secret which hasn't been revealed yet, and the Pope in Rome has the third secret written down on a sheet of paper in a box on a mantelpiece in his private apartments and it has not been revealed. Fatima has become very important because the Virgin apparently made promises that affect the well-being of the Papacy and of the Catholic Church. John Paul II used to be very devoted to Fatima and he had a great devotion to Our Lady of Fatima as they speak about the Virgin who appeared there. He started off very devoted to Our Lady, very devoted to Fatima and to propagating the message of Fatima which was repent from sin and convert to God. Of late he has swung away from Fatima. He is not very much in favor of Fatima. He still believes it happened but he believes that it is not of great importance, and he has given permission for Vatican officials to more or less limit Fatima and limit devotions at Fatima to the Virgin, which has displeased a lot of people. So John Paul II has changed in this regard, because Fatima is a very apocalyptic message. It says that no matter what happens there are going to be terrible wars, there are going to be diseases, whole nations are going to be wiped out, there are going to be 3 days darkness, there are going to be epidemics that will wipe out whole nations overnight, parts of the earth will be washed away at sea and violent tornadoes and storms. It's not a nice message at all, and John Paul II is not inclined to think like that, so he has dropped emphasis on Fatima's message, and that fits in with his Globalist outlook, because his outlook is that man has been blessed and man is going to succeed and man must be helped to build his human habitat. It's an entirely different philosophy and outlook from what Catholicism used to be.

Interviewer:

What's Russia's role in the Vision of Fatima?

Malachi Martin:

Russia's role in the Vision of Fatima is very important because if we're to believe the Vision of Fatima, salvation for the world, the cure for the world ills, will start in the Ukraine and in Russia, and that was why the Virgin in the Fatima vision of 1917 was supposed to have spoken actively about Russia and that Russia first of all has to be cured of her errors and then she will help the entire world to get better and to cure itself of its sins. It's a very bizarre message in that sense because one would have said that salvation was going to come from the West as we always think because we are Westerners, but no, according to the message of Fatima, salvation will come from the East, and particularly, from Ukraine and from the State of Russia itself, which is extraordinary.

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Interviewer:

How does China fit in with the global agenda?

Malachi Martin:

The connection between China and the Leninists in the Soviet Union has never been broken. We in the West were duped into thinking that there was a huge rift between China and the Soviet Union. There was never a rift. There was a separation for strategic purposes, but the same people that decide on where China is going to go next are the people that decide where Russia is going to go next and where the Soviet Union states are going to go next, because they have the money and eventually everybody depends on the flow of capital and the flow of capital goods. You can't survive today as a country unless you belong. They will choke you.

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Interviewer:

How does the New World Order look upon the Middle East peace process?

Malachi Martin:

The Middle East is for one thing, and one thing only - oil. Remember, the United States has built a new empire in the Middle East. We have invested more military equipment in the Middle East than we ever did in any part of the world. We now hold the Middle East. Nobody can take it from us, except China, and we need oil, until we discover a new form of energy which we will discover, which we are on the way to discovering, due to space flight, but we haven't got that commercialized yet, so we can't bring it into our cities; we can't drive our automobiles with it, we can't drive our engines with it, we can't go to the moon with it or to Mars, but we will. When we no longer need the Middle East oil we'll drop it like a hotcake or like an old cake. All our military logistics are geared to the Middle East at the present moment. We're going to hold it, despite anybody. We are going to hold it.

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Source: http://www.starharbor.com/fr_martin/view1.html

**Armanen** · 09-08-2008, 10:50 AM

Re: Russia in Bible Prophecy

The Descent of the Four Horses of Apocalypses

By Jack Manuelian

Armenians, having a history full of tragedies, have been fascinated by apocalyptic narratives since their conversion to Christianity. Another apocalyptic event seems to be brewing near Armenia presently, whereby in April 2009 or August 2009 a confrontation and flare up with Iran is likely by Israel and United States. The situation will escalate within a year and starting November 2010 a global war between US and its allies (Israel, Turkey, Europe) on one side and Russia, China and Iran on the other side will ensue.

Those dates were given by late Vangelia Pandeva Dimitrova {1}, a very reliable gifted seer who said that in 1910 World War III will start, adding: The war will begin in November of 2010 and will end in October of 2014. Will start as a normal war, then will include usage of nuclear and chemical weapons.

Michael Boldea Jr. (from http://www.handofhelp.com) wrote in his 30 October 2007 article entitled The Dream:

�the angel messenger turned to me [after showing me a vision]and said: �Go an tell what you have seen. The riders [of the four horses of Apocalypses] prepare, the horses are ready, and soon they will descend, soon they will be loosed. Remember what you have witnessed, and do not hold back a single word. Soon they descend on wings of fury; soon turmoil will shake earth�s very foundation. Prepare yourself, for many will fall and few will stand. Fulfillment is at hand, go and speak what you have seen, and what you have heard. The Kingdom awaits the righteous, the holy will soon see the Lord.�

Michael�s grandfather the late Dumitru Duduman wrote in April of 1997 under the headline �The Bear Awakes�:

I knelt beside my bed to pray, as I do every night before I go to sleep. After finishing my prayer, I opened my eyes but I was no longer in my room. Instead, I found myself in a forest. I looked around and to my right I saw a man, dressed in white, who pointed his finger and said, �See and remember.�

It took me a while to find out what he was pointing at. It was a small bear who seemed half dead lying on the ground. As I continued to watch this bear, it began to breathe deeper. With every passing minute it seemed to revive itself, and as I watched, it also became angrier. It then began to grow. Soon it was larger than the forest floor and as it grew larger it continued to become angrier. It then began to paw the ground, so that when its paw would hit the ground, the earth would shudder.

The bear continued to devastate all that stood in its path until it came upon some men with sticks trying to fend it off. By this the bear had grown so large that it simply crushed the men underfoot and continued to rampage. I was stunned by what I saw and asked the man standing beside me, �What does this mean?� �At first, they thought the great bear was dead,� the man said. �As it will begin to stir once again, they will consider it harmless. Suddenly it will grow strong once more with purpose and violence. God will blind the eyes of those [the West] that continue to traxple on the sacrifice of Christ�s blood, until the day the bear will strike swiftly. This day will catch them unprepared and it will be just as you saw.�

The man then said, �Tell my people [fellow Christians] the days are numbered and the sentence has been passed. It they will seek My face and walk in righteousness before Me, I will open their eyes that they may see the danger approach. If they only look to the approaching danger, they too will be caught up and tramxled underfoot. Only in righteousness will they find safety.� Suddenly, I was once again by myself in my room, on my knees, with sweat covering my face.
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{1} Vangelia (in English: Evangeline) was born at the turn of the 20th century and died 12 years ago (1996) at the age of 84. Her gift of prophesy made her popular, and soon politicians visited her to have their fortunes told.

Among her most shocking predictions is what she had predicted in 1980: In August of 1999 or 2000, Kursk will be covered with water and the whole world will be weeping over it. Twenty years later, the nuclear submarine "Kursk" perished in an accident.

In January 1988 she said: We are witnessing events of paramount significance. Two big leaders shake hands. But we have to wait for a long time before the Eighth one will come forth and sign a final peace agreement on Earth. The first part of the prediction made reference to Gorbachev and Reagan, and the second to the fact that Russia joined the Group of Seven, now the G-8.

In the same way, she predicted some other events of world history. In 1989 she said: The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the steel bird. The wolves will howl in the bush, and innocent blood will flow. It happened as predicted: The "Twin" towers of the World Trade Center in New York collapsed apparently because two commercial planes - "steel birds" - were flown into them.

She predicted lots of things - the Chernobyl disaster, Boris Yeltsin's election win and so on. It is even said that Adolf Hitler left a visit with her looking very upset.

One of the popular predictions about Russia is that when the permafrost thaws and the floods come [she gives year 2033 when Polar ice caps melt and world ocean levels rise], nothing will survive on Earth but Russia. The climate will change and Russia will occupy the best inhabitable zone. Plus, Russia is predicted to herald in world peace and flourish in the face of good fortune.

Vangelia also once said: "Everything melts away like ice yet the glory of Vladimir, the glory of Russia are the only things that will remain. Russia will not only survive, it will dominate the world." ( Daria Chernyshova) http://mnweekly.ru/local/20080606/55332043.html

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**Armenian** · 09-08-2008, 11:20 AM

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Pasty-pink faced inbred rednecks in the south's bible belt have been barking about Russia in biblical prophesy for many-many years.

Key of David: Russia and China in Prophecy (part-I): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGdOR0gQHyI

Key of David: Russia and China in Prophecy (part-II): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPyE2...eature=related

Key of David: Russia and China in Prophecy (part-III): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouX4v...eature=related

And if you people can bare to watch anymore of this Evangelical crap, the following is about 'Pewtin' being an Anti-Christ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GklDLMkG8c&feature=user: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GklDLMkG8c&feature=user

TRUTH about Russian Invasion of Georgia COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10jKW...eature=related

**skhara** · 09-08-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Armenian View Post

Pasty-pink faced inbred rednecks in the south's bible belt have been barking about Russia in biblical prophesy for many-many years.

Key of David: Russia and China in Prophecy (part-I): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGdOR0gQHyI

Key of David: Russia and China in Prophecy (part-II): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPyE2...eature=related

Key of David: Russia and China in Prophecy (part-III): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouX4v...eature=related

This is actually neutral. He doesn't really declare that the Russians and Chinese are evil, he kind of declares that mankind is evil and once we've killed each other enough Christ is going to come down and stop it.

The other side states how those "hordes" Russia+Chinese will be wiped out by Jesus to protect the "israelites".

What I don't understand is why would Europeans make a first preventive strike. Europeans are pretty much pussies, and they hardly have the nuclear capacity (I think France + Britain) have a few submarine based tactical nukes.

By the way, those 3 top videos were pretty interesting. The videos about "Pewtin" the anti-Christ were too annoying and too unbearable.

**Illuminator** · 09-09-2008, 05:35 AM

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Most of the wacko evangelists have been preaching this nonsense theory backwards. One of the leading ones, Hal Lindsey, is a CIA agent. The others are, at the least, rabid zionists probably on the payroll of joooish lobbies.

In truth, Gog and Magog are israel and the joooos (Khazars), but they do not want people to know that. There used to be a good website that proved this and then it was taken down. I will see if I can find it or a replacement that proves it.

**Armenian** · 09-09-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by Illuminator View Post

Most of the wacko evangelists have been preaching this nonsense theory backwards. One of the leading ones, Hal Lindsey, is a CIA agent. The others are, at the least, rabid zionists probably on the payroll of joooish lobbies. In truth, Gog and Magog are israel and the joooos (Khazars), but they do not want people to know that. There used to be a good website that proved this and then it was taken down. I will see if I can find it or a replacement that proves it.

You are going from one group of extremist nut jobs to another.

**North Pole** · 09-09-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Illuminator View Post

Most of the wacko evangelists have been preaching this nonsense theory backwards. One of the leading ones, Hal Lindsey, is a CIA agent. The others are, at the least, rabid zionists probably on the payroll of joooish lobbies.

In truth, Gog and Magog are israel and the joooos (Khazars), but they do not want people to know that. There used to be a good website that proved this and then it was taken down. I will see if I can find it or a replacement that proves it.

I agree with you, Illuminator.

To understand what this thing is all about we need to find out who were those Rosh, Meshech and Tubal people.
I think it leads to the Caucuses.

The leader of this invasion is named as Gog, who is described as "the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal" (verse 2 RV). Unlike other names in this chapter at which we have looked, these ancient names have been superseded by more modern ones. Experts confidently assert that "Ros (or Rosh) is the most ancient form under which history makes mention of the name Russia", and Russian historians themselves confirm this by stating that "Russians derive their name from Ros".

**Lucin** · 09-09-2008, 08:22 AM

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Are Christian Jews in America, only Evangelists? If so, why? Is it sincere or it's just some means enabling them to pursue some other noble goals for Israel?

**Yeznik** · 09-09-2008, 08:35 AM

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The following was a lecture given by Fr. Seraphim Rose. He is also given the title Blessed, by the Eastern Orthodox Church, and is a desired candidate to become canonized as a Saint. Just some more information, Orthodoxy was introduced in America by Russians.

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