Narcotics and Morality

[Anonymouse]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

by a fixed standard and everybody's fixed standard is different and no more right than another's.

But by that you just made an objective statement. LOLz.

[Muhaha]

By what standard of values?



Wearing womens' panties and drinking alcohol are fundamentally different morally; one is concerned with sexuality, the other with the sense-perception mechanism. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that they address the same fundamental philosophical concepts.



You have to provide a standard of value, a philosophy. Something can only be 'good' or 'bad' in reference to a set of values; there is no such thing as morality in a vaccuum.



It depends whose morals you are referring to. To a Muslim getting drunk is evil but to a Christian it is not. It depends on the standard of value that is set. All human action is subject to moral scrutiny and I don't know how you concluded the opposite.

I agree with everything you said.

Here is what my original argument should have read: A state can't and shouldn't determine whether or not Intoxication is a moral act because it's verdict on the matter will be nothing more than an opinion. No one can determine what is moral in life because morality is determined, as you said, by a fixed standard and everybody's fixed standard is different and no more right than another's.

In a Sharia Law State, everything is predetermined by an opinion of a small and delusional group of people who think that they're values are universally moral and should apply to everyone.

[ara87]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

By what standard of values?
It depends whose morals you are referring to. To a Muslim getting drunk is evil but to a Christian it is not. It depends on the standard of value that is set. All human action is subject to moral scrutiny and I don't know how you concluded the opposite.

Actually in Christianity, while it is not a sin to drink, it is a sin to get drunk.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

No I'm serious. Morality isn't determined by any kind of self directed action.

By what standard of values?

Wearing woman's panties on weekends, performing auto fellatio on Tuesdays, and singing along to Sades greatest hits on Fridays are no different than drinking alcohol, smoking marijuana, or participating in a spiritual peyote session somewhere in South America.

Wearing womens' panties and drinking alcohol are fundamentally different morally; one is concerned with sexuality, the other with the sense-perception mechanism. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that they address the same fundamental philosophical concepts.

They may not be your cup of tea and you may consider them to be things that lower the quality of life, but they still have nothing to do with whether or not somebody is a 'good person'.

You have to provide a standard of value, a philosophy. Something can only be 'good' or 'bad' in reference to a set of values; there is no such thing as morality in a vaccuum.

You can artificially connect Intoxication and Morals together and say 'I'm too high up on the moral ladder to get drunk', but that's a creation of your mind. There are solid reasons for why someone wouldn't want to use Cocaine or Heroine, 'they're evil' isn't one of them.

It depends whose morals you are referring to. To a Muslim getting drunk is evil but to a Christian it is not. It depends on the standard of value that is set. All human action is subject to moral scrutiny and I don't know how you concluded the opposite.

[Muhaha]

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r u?

No I'm serious. Morality isn't determined by any kind of self directed action.

Wearing woman's panties on weekends, performing auto fellatio on Tuesdays, and singing along to Sades greatest hits on Fridays are no different than drinking alcohol, smoking marijuana, or participating in a spiritual peyote session somewhere in South America.

They may not be your cup of tea and you may consider them to be things that lower the quality of life, but they still have nothing to do with whether or not somebody is a 'good person'.

You can artificially connect Intoxication and Morals together and say 'I'm too high up on the moral ladder to get drunk', but that's a creation of your mind. There are solid reasons for why someone wouldn't want to use Cocaine or Heroine, 'they're evil' isn't one of them.

[ara87]

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In Islam we destroy the demand - literally. Any alcohol or illegal drug consumption is punishable by death. You get caught drinking any alcohol or consuming other illegal subatances, we kill you.

Isn't this kind of ignored though? Don't many Muslims drink ouzo/arak and other drinks today? Also you all aren't allowed to gamble, yet you can't tell me that the casinos throughout the middle east are only for non Muslim tourists. So couldn't you say most Muslims kind of pick and choose the way most Christians do?

I'm okay with killing users and dealers.

I understand why drugs are bad, health wise and morally. But to kill the dealers/users is ridiculous. Yes drugs are bad, but someone dealing marijuana cannot be put in the same boat as someone dealing ice/meth, heroine, etc.

Also I believe that many drugs(not all though) should be legalized. Most people do things like underage binge drinking, b/c there is a thrill in rebelling against the rules. As soon as it is legally allowed for them to do though, drinking just to get wasted usually loses some, if not much appeal to many. Also many medicines are "cousins" to many illegal drugs, and in some cases are only seperated by a few molecules. So maybe if the drug companies took the business out of the hands of the dealers, and put it in pill form with proper doses and a limited amount of refills, and at a medium ranged price, it could work. I mean most people are addicted to prescription pain killers and anti depressants anyways. And at least this would decrease the actual crime related part of drugs. No dealers, drug lords, drug cartels, etc.

I want a to live in a Sharia state or some kind of Singapore.

No offense, but I believe that a Sharia state, or any state who's laws are based on religion, including Christianity, would not be a happy place to live in.

[yerazhishda]

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I can't tell what you're saying. Are you joking/being sarcastic by saying 'good point'?

r u?

[Muhaha]

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LOL @ muhaha good point

I can't tell what you're saying. Are you joking/being sarcastic by saying 'good point'?

[yerazhishda]

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Intoxication and Morality are two completely unrelated elements of life.

LOL @ muhaha good point

[Muhaha]

Intoxication and Morality are two completely unrelated elements of life.