New World Order - In the Name of God

[hipeter924]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

I think you are rather pessimistic. I see a positive future where you see a negative dangerous one. Our wealthy elite want a world divided neatly into economic sphere's of influence. The European Union is what the world will be like. You will have North American Union**, South American Union*?, African Union*, Asia-Pacific Union*? and of course the European Union*.

*Already exist
**Being negotiated
*? Wild Card

There shall be no religious order, in fact the corporate world has no interest in religion simply economic domination.

As for the political future we have the option of a democratic world government. This is how it would work. The corporate world want a minarchy if not an anarcho-capitalist kind of society:

World Government (minachy)
^
Union Government aka European Union (minarchy)
^
National Government (minarchy)

That is the positive future of the world. No Nazi's and no Anti-Christ. Just democracy and a more stable world.

On the negative side...maybe someday it becomes dictatorship. That's a 'what if?' situation, as crazy as saying 'European Union' will become a dictatorship. Well it hasn't so I doubt world government would become a dictatorship either.

As for god. As an atheist I know that the religious need us. If they demand a religious state, all the scientists and intellectuals will just pack up and leave for a place that isn't.

[KanadaHye]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

I think you are rather pessimistic. I see a positive future where you see a negative dangerous one. Our wealthy elite want a world divided neatly into economic sphere's of influence. The European Union is what the world will be like. You will have North American Union**, South American Union*?, African Union*, Asia-Pacific Union*? and of course the European Union*.

*Already exist
**Being negotiated
*? Wild Card

There shall be no religious order, in fact the corporate world has no interest in religion simply economic domination.

As for the political future we have the option of a democratic world government. This is how it would work. The corporate world want a minarchy if not an anarcho-capitalist kind of society:

World Government (minachy)
^
Union Government aka European Union (minarchy)
^
National Government (minarchy)

That is the positive future of the world. No Nazi's and no Anti-Christ. Just democracy and a more stable world.

On the negative side...maybe someday it becomes dictatorship. That's a 'what if?' situation, as crazy as saying 'European Union' will become a dictatorship. Well it hasn't so I doubt world government would become a dictatorship either.

As for god. As an atheist I know that the religious need us. If they demand a religious state, all the scientists and intellectuals will just pack up and leave for a place that isn't.

What are you smoking, thats like one world communism.... worst than any Anti-Christ

[Persival]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

I think you are rather pessimistic. I see a positive future where you see a negative dangerous one. Our wealthy elite want a world divided neatly into economic sphere's of influence. The European Union is what the world will be like. You will have North American Union**, South American Union*?, African Union*, Asia-Pacific Union*? and of course the European Union*.

*Already exist
**Being negotiated
*? Wild Card

There shall be no religious order, in fact the corporate world has no interest in religion simply economic domination.

As for the political future we have the option of a democratic world government. This is how it would work. The corporate world want a minarchy if not an anarcho-capitalist kind of society:

World Government (minachy)
^
Union Government aka European Union (minarchy)
^
National Government (minarchy)

That is the positive future of the world. No Nazi's and no Anti-Christ. Just democracy and a more stable world.

On the paper it look like very well - "It'll be a land of freedom, justice and wealth for all people, no mater on his race, nation, religion..." and so on, but in real life things aren't like that. This is racistic world where powerful country or group of countries kill, spoliate and destroy all who want to live free life. As I can see, matrix for this killing and spoliating is religion matrix.

Also, never in human history businessman/corporations aren't rule with society - they have role in whole story, they possess wealth, but they aren't on the top of the pyramid.

On the negative side...maybe someday it becomes dictatorship. That's a 'what if?' situation, as crazy as saying 'European Union' will become a dictatorship. Well it hasn't so I doubt world government would become a dictatorship either.

As for god. As an atheist I know that the religious need us. If they demand a religious state, all the scientists and intellectuals will just pack up and leave for a place that isn't.

Since 1950's, scientists and intellectuals are lose his integrity and become just good businessman's, who do and talk what his boss order him. If some of them don't want to shut up and become to talk truth, then they kill him.

According to our basic nature - Free Will, humanity can't be oneminded and controled organism, beauty of humanity is that every person/group/nation has chance to find his own and unique way to goodnes and freedom. All "World Order's" are just variations of nazi idea - Absolute Power.

[hipeter924]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

On the paper it look like very well - "It'll be a land of freedom, justice and wealth for all people, no mater on his race, nation, religion..." and so on, but in real life things aren't like that. This is racistic world where powerful country or group of countries kill, spoliate and destroy all who want to live free life. As I can see, matrix for this killing and spoliating is religion matrix.

Also, never in human history businessman/corporations aren't rule with society - they have role in whole story, they possess wealth, but they aren't on the top of the pyramid.




Since 1950's, scientists and intellectuals are lose his integrity and become just good businessman's, who do and talk what his boss order him. If some of them don't want to shut up and become to talk truth, then they kill him.

According to our basic nature - Free Will, humanity can't be oneminded and controled organism, beauty of humanity is that every person/group/nation has chance to find his own and unique way to goodnes and freedom. All "World Order's" are just variations of nazi idea - Absolute Power.

What are you talking about? New World Orders are simply a change of society and its values. If it wasn't for what you call "New World Order's" we would never have become democratic and free in the first place. Anyways won't bother discussing it. I think you're insane.

[KanadaHye]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

What are you talking about? New World Orders are simply a change of society and its values. If it wasn't for what you call "New World Order's" we would never have become democratic and free in the first place. Anyways won't bother discussing it. I think you're insane.

hipeter924, so you feel the need to be controlled and put under order since you can't trust yourself to self govern?

[Persival]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

What are you talking about? New World Orders are simply a change of society and its values. If it wasn't for what you call "New World Order's" we would never have become democratic and free in the first place. Anyways won't bother discussing it. I think you're insane.

Ok, we both have different understanding situation of present world, and I don't want to argue with you. But remember my friend, that world don't start and finishing in the Wallstreet, already he's spreading all around globe.

[KanadaHye]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

Bilderberg 2009 Attendee List
Posted on May 21, 2009 by Boulderdash
Infowars
May 18, 2009
This list have been available thanks to infowars.com and their contacts and those of Jim Tucker and Daniel Estulin so thanks to all of them

Dutch Queen Beatrix

Queen Sofia of Spain

Prince Constantijn (Belgian Prince)

Prince Philippe Etienne Ntavinion, Belgium

Étienne, Viscount Davignon, Belgium (former vice-president of the European Commission)

Josef Ackermann (Swiss banker and CEO of Deutsche Bank)

Keith B. Alexander, United States (Lieutenant General, U.S. Army, Director of the National Security Agency)

Roger Altman, United States (investment banker, former U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton)

Georgios A. Arapoglou, Greece (Governor of National Bank of Greece)

Ali Babaca , Turkey (Deputy Prime Minister responsible for economy)

Francisco Pinto Balsemão, Portugal (former Prime Minister of Portugal)

Nicholas Bavarez, France (economist and historian)

Franco Bernabè, Italy (Telecom Italia)

Xavier Bertrand, France (French politician connected to Nicolas Sarkozy)

Carl Bildt, Sweden (former Prime Minister of Sweden)

January Bgiorklount, Norway (?)

Christoph Blocher, Switzerland (industrialist, Vice President of the Swiss People’s Party)

Alexander Bompar, France (?)

Ana Patricia Botin, Spain, (President of Banco Banesto)

Henri de Castries, France (President of AXA, the French global insurance companies group)

Juan Luis Cebrián, Spain (journalist for Grupo PRISA; his father was a senior journalist in the fascist Franco regime)

W. Edmund Clark, Canada (CEO TD Bank Financial Group)

Kenneth Clarke, Great Britain (MP, Shadow Business Secretary)

Luc Cohen, Belgium (?)

George David, United States (Chairman and former CEO of United Technologies Corporation, board member of Citigroup)

Richard Dearlove, Great Britain (former head of the British Secret Intelligence Service)

Mario Draghi, Italy (economist, governor of the Bank of Italy)

Eldrup Anders, Denmark (CEO Dong Energy)

John Elkann, Italy (Italian industrialist, grandson of the late Gianni Agnelli, and heir to the automaker Fiat)

Thomas Enders, Germany (CEO Airbus)

Jose Entrekanales, Spain (?)

Isintro phenomena casket, Spain (?)

Niall Ferguson, United States (Professor of History at Harvard University and William Ziegler Professor at Harvard Business School)

Timothy Geithner, United States (Secretary of the Treasury)

Ntermot convergence, Ireland (AIV Group) (?)

Donald Graham, United States (CEO and chairman of the board of The Washington Post Company)

Victor Chalmperstant, Netherlands (Leiden University)

Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Netherlands (Dutch politician, minister of Justice in the fourth Balkenende cabinet, member of the Christian Democratic Appeal)

Richard Holbrooke, United States (Obama’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan)

Jaap De Hoop Scheffer, Netherlands (Dutch politician and the current NATO Secretary General)

James Jones, United States (National Security Advisor to the White House)

Vernon Jordan, United States (lawyer, close adviser to President Bill Clinton)

Robert Keigkan, United States (? – possibly Robert Kagan, neocon historian)

Girki Katainen, Finland (?)

John Kerr (aka Baron Kerr of Kinlochard), Britain (Deputy Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell and an independent member of the House of Lords)

Mustafa Vehbi Koç, Turkey (President of industrial conglomerate Koç Holding)

Roland GT, Germany (?)

Sami Cohen, Turkey (Journalist) (?)

Henry Kissinger, United States

Marie Jose Kravis, United States (Hudson Institute)

Neelie Kroes, Netherlands (European Commissioner for Competition)

Odysseas Kyriakopoulos, Greece (Group S & B) (?)

Manuela Ferreira Leite, Portugal (Portuguese economist and politician)

Bernardino Leon Gross, Spain (Secretary General of the Presidency)

Jessica Matthews, United States (President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace)

Philippe Maystadt (President of the European Investment Bank)

Frank McKenna, Canada (Deputy Chairman of the Toronto-Dominion Bank)

John Micklethwait, Great Britain (Editor-in-chief of The Economist)

Thierry de Montbrial, France (founded the Department of Economics of the École Polytechnique and heads the Institut français des relations internationales)

Mario Monti, Italy (Italian economist and politician, President of the Bocconi University of Milan)

Miguel Angel Moratinos, Spain (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Craig Mundie, United States (chief research and strategy officer at Microsoft)

Egil Myklebust, Norway (Chairman of the board of SAS Group, Scandinavian Airlines System)

Mathias Nass, Germany (Editor of the newspaper Die Zeit)

Denis Olivennes, France (director general of Nouvel Observateur)

Frederic Oudea, France (CEO of Société Générale bank)

Cem Özdemir, Germany (co-leader of the Green Party and Member of the European Parliament)

Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa, Italy (Italian banker, economist, and former Minister of Economy and Finance)

Dimitrios Th.Papalexopoulo, Greece (Managing Director of Titan Cement Company SA)

Richard Perle, United States (American Enterprise Institute)

David Petraeus, United States (Commander, U.S. Central Command)

Manuel Pinho, Portugal (Minister of Economy and Innovation)

J. Robert S. Prichard, Canada (CEO of Torstar Corporation and president emeritus of the University of Toronto)

Romano Prodi, Italy (former Italian Prime Minister and former President of the European Commission)

Heather M. Reisman, Canada (co-founder of Indigo Books & Music Inc.).

Eivint Reitan, Norway (economist, corporate officer and politician for the Centre Party)

Michael Rintzier, Czech Republic (?)

David Rockefeller, United States

Dennis Ross, United States (special adviser for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton)

Barnett R. Rubin, United States (Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation)

Alberto Rouith-Gkalarthon, Spain (?)

Susan Sampantzi Ntintzer, Turkey (?) Guler Sabanci, President of Sabanci Holdings (?)

Indira Samarasekera, Canada (President of University of Alberta, Board of Directors Scotiabank)

Rountol Solten, Austria (?)

Jürgen E. Schrempp, Germany (CEO DaimlerChrysler)

Pedro Solbes Mira, Spain (economist, Socialist, Second Vice President and Minister of Economy and Finance)

Sampatzi Saraz, Turkey (banker) (?) possibly Süreyya Serdengeçti (former Governor of the Central Bank of Turkey) http://arsiv.zaman.com.tr/2002/05/29/ekonomi/h6.htm

Sanata Seketa, Canada (University of Canada) (?)

Lawrence Summers, United States (economist, Director of the White House’s National Economic Council)

Peter Sutherland, Ireland (Chairman, BP and Chairman of Goldman Sachs International)

Martin Taylor, United Kingdom (former chief executive of Barclays Bank, currently Chairman of Syngenta AG)

Peter Thiel, United States (Clarium Capital Management LCC, PayPal co-founder, Board of Directors, Facebook)

Agan Ourgkout, Turkey (?)

Matti Taneli Vanhanen, Finland, (Prime Minister)

Daniel L. Vasella, Switzerland (Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer at Novartis AG)

Jeroen van der Veer, Netherlands (CEO of Royal Dutch Shell)

Guy Verhofstadt, Belgium (former Prime Minister)

Paul Volcker, U.S. (former Federal Reserve director, Chair of Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board)

Jacob Wallenberg, Sweden (chairman of Investor AB and former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Marcus Wallenberg, Sweden (CEO of Investor AB, former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Nout Wellink, Netherlands (Chairman of De Nederlandsche Bank, Board of Directors, the Bank of International Settlements)

Hans Wijers, Netherlands (CEO of the multinational corporation AkzoNobel)

Martin Wolf, Great Britain (associate editor and chief economics commentator at the Financial Times)

James Wolfensohn, United States (former president of the World Bank)

Paul Wolfowitz, United States (for U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, President of the World Bank, currently AEI scholar)

Fareed Zakaria, United States (journalist, author, and CNN host)

Robert Zoellick, United States (former managing director of Goldman Sachs, President the World Bank)

Dora Bakoyannis, Greece (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Anna Diamantopoulou, Greece (Member of Parliament for the Panhellenic Socialist Movement)

Yannis Papathanasiou, Greece (Minister of Finance)

George Alogoskoufis, Greece (former Minister)

George A. David, Greece (businessman, president of Coca-Cola)

[KanadaHye]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

What is the Bilderberg Group?

Informal forum or global conspiracy?
CBC News Online | June 13, 2006

The seed was planted by one man - Joseph Retinger, who left Poland for Britain in 1911 and spent the next three decades working as a political adviser. After the Second World War, he became a leading advocate of the unification of Europe - at least the western part of the continent.

Retinger was alarmed by the growing influence of Soviet-style communism and a rising tide of anti-Americanism in Western Europe. In 1952, he persuaded Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland to help him organize an international conference. Prominent business people and politicians from several European countries and the United States would be invited. The goal: To provide a forum where influential people could meet and talk about ways that help promote understanding on both sides of the Atlantic - and prevent future wars.

They met at the Hotel de Bilderberg near Arnhem in the Netherlands for two days in May. The conference was deemed such a success that the group pledged to make it an annual event. They adopted the location of their first meeting place as the name of their new group.

The idea was to create an informal network of influential people who could consult each other privately and confidentially. They could focus on what their countries had in common and bounce ideas off each other that could make life better for everyone.

The group decided that it would invite 100 of the most powerful people in Europe and North America every year to meet behind closed doors at a different five-star resort. The group stresses secrecy: What's said at a Bilderberg conference stays at a Bilderberg conference. The organization says that encourages members to talk frankly, without the worry that what they say will wind up in the news.

CP PhotoAn Ottawa police officer directs the driver of a limousine outside a hotel where members of the Bilderberg Group will be meeting, June 8, 2006. (Tom Hanson/Canadian Press)
Several high-profile journalists have been invited over the years - again, on the understanding that they must not report on the proceedings. Break the rule and you're not invited back.

Skeptics argue that the secrecy means Bilderberg members can spend their private time hatching plans to control the world politically and economically, ensuring that the rich and powerful maintain their grip on the levers of power while the rest of the population is enslaved to keep the economic machinery running. Bilderbergers, some have argued, have withheld cancer cures so as not to anger the global pharmaceutical industry. They've also kept technology out of the public domain that would allow cars to travel 75 kilometres on a litre of gas. Big Oil, apparently, would not approve.

The group has assembled at least three times in Canada, most recently June 8 to 11 this year at the Brookstreet Hotel in the Ottawa suburb of Kanata. According to a Bilderberg news release, prominent Canadians invited to the 2006 conference included former New Brunswick premier Frank McKenna, Paul Desmarais, CEO of Power Corporation, Gordon Nixon, president and CEO of the Royal Bank of Canada, and Heather Reisman, chair and CEO of Indigo Books.

They got to mingle with the likes of Iraqi politician Ahmed Chalabi, former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger, Richard Holbrooke, key American negotiator for 1995 Bosnian peace accords, Richard Perle, senior foreign policy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, retired banker David Rockefeller, and Johann Koss, Norwegian Olympian and president of the Right to Play organization.

The news release also said some of the topics on the agenda of the Kanata meeting would be energy, Iran, terrorism and European-American relations. There were no news conferences or communiqués as the meeting wound up.

James Tucker - an American libertarian and journalist - has been a critic of the Bilderberg group for decades.

"When meeting last year in Rottach-Egern, Germany, Bilderberg called for dramatic increases in the price of oil. Oil prices started climbing immediately from $40 a barrel to $70," Tucker wrote in the days before the 2006 meeting.

Tucker says the group has used its meetings to organize wars and the overthrow of "unfriendly" leaders. It has also been accused of identifying politicians who are friendly to big business and backing their runs for power. Former U.S. president Bill Clinton spoke at a Bilderberg conference a year before his election victory, as did British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

The current chairman, Belgian politician and businessman Etienne Davignon, says the steering committee that organizes the annual get-togethers is excellent at spotting talent.

Former prime ministers Paul Martin, Jean Chretien and Pierre Trudeau also made Bilderberg appearances.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper took in the group's 2003 meeting in Versailles, France, while he was Opposition leader. But Tucker says the Bilderbergers are not pleased with Harper. It's because of Kyoto. The Bilderberg group, Tucker says, is behind the Kyoto Protocol. They're the ones who pushed it. Like they pushed NAFTA and the World Trade Organization - and "turned NATO into the UN's standing army. It's a step," Tucker writes, "on the road to creating world government."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/bilderberg-group/

[KanadaHye]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

While I believe all political systems are premised on power and subjugation of the masses, and that all states necessarily use the art of subterfuge to deceive the masses, and that there are indeed powerful groups, societies and apparatuses at the state's and ruling elites' disposal to help further these ends I do not believe there is an all powerful ominous all-controlling all-seeing eye of a conspiracy.

I like you used to be a big believer of this but presently I do not believe that the world can be all under control. A huge element and part of life is chance, risk and uncertainty.

Simply put, there are too many variables in the world (chaos theory) for one group or all powerful group at that to control it and purposefully guide it.

The reptilians and Jesuits and infowars.com, rense.com and David Icke and Alex Jones may disagree, but it doesn't matter.

The idea of power does not have to be shrouded in conspiracy for it to be true.

Why do some live and work for pennies when those that don't lift a finger have billions? They murdered and stole their fortune in the past, they did not achieve it.... they may have been at the right place at the right time, perhaps.

One can't fathom the freedom others have when the society (which you are born into and believing this is the way life has to be) has you running around to school for 20 years and then to work for the rest just so you can afford to have basic needs such as shelter and food. It's a 3 ring circus, our values are warped.

Also notice the number of Turkish nationals named on the list posted above.

[KanadaHye]

Re: New World Order - In the Name of God

G-20 Summit in Toronto

The G-20 is made up of the finance ministers and central bank governors of 19 countries:

Argentina
Australia
Brazil
Canada
China
France
Germany
India
Indonesia
Italy
Japan
Mexico
Russia
Saudi Arabia
South Africa
Republic of Korea
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States of America

The European Union, who is represented by the rotating Council presidency and the European Central Bank, is the 20th member of the G-20.

Protesters give Toronto taste of future

Protesters marching north on Yonge Street in downtown Toronto on Monday afternoon. (Pras Rajagopalan/CBC)

About 200 protesters walked peacefully, but noisily, through a section of downtown Toronto on Monday afternoon — giving police and the public a taste of what to expect during this weekend's G20 summit.

The demonstration began at Allen Gardens, near Sherbourne Street and Gerrard Street East and worked its way to the centre of the city.

The demonstration was a coalition of several protest groups representing aboriginal issues, housing and health care advocates, animal rights activists and human rights supporters.

The heavy police presence that has been so noticeable in downtown Toronto for the past several days — was visible during the protest march.

Scores of police officers kept an eye on the demonstration — keeping it contained and moving. A police van led the march, while dozens of police on bicycles hemmed in the protesters on either side.

One of the people who ran afoul of police was Montreal writer Yves Engler, who is no stranger to political protest. In 2005, he poured a bottle of cranberry juice over then foreign affairs minister Pierre Pettigrew.

On Monday, Engler told CBC News he had been given a lecture by police.

"Basically, the police didn't like the fact that I was standing in a place that they didn't define as an open space for democracy, and they took me to the side and threatened to arrest me and, you know, cautioned me, as they put it," said Engler.

One officer told the protesters that if they took any sort of illegal action, "we will respond to that, OK?"

The one action the group did take was to crowd into a gas station for about 10 minutes — they then left.

Eventually, after marching along Dundas Street and then up Yonge Street, the demonstration ended in front of the Children's Aid Society building on Isabella Street.

It's expected that further, larger protests will erupt across Toronto in advance of the G20 — and on the weekend when the meetings get underway.



http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/21/g20-torontoprotest.html#ixzz0raEI4UMW