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    Yesterday, a Zaman Newspaper columnist Abdulhamit Bilici wrote a great article about the society's current 'view' on minorities.

    Zaman is known for its religious roots; however that newspaper is a hardcore and leading media supporter of freedom of speech and supporting the solutions for minority, Kudish problems. Also, working hard against the terrorist Gladio-style organization Ergenekon. It is also the top-seller newspaper of Turkey.

    For example, Etyen Mahcupyan, a well-known Armenian columnist also wrote at Zaman for several years until the assasination of Dink. Then Mahcupyan left Zaman for his new editorial job at Agos Newspaper, taking Dink's place.

    Back to topic, Bilici's article was about "who we were and who were are now". He says Turkey turned into a %99 Muslim majority nation and Anatolia has never became a land with that much ethnic unity.

    I read many newspapers, including some Turkish ones; and what I see is; Zaman columnists who wrote about minorities issue recently; have the same point of view: Turkey were a better nation, a better country with them.

    Non-religious nationalists say "One nation, one country" (Notice: Its also a motto for Armenia too..). What I could see is that religious Turks are so moderate while non-religious ones turns into either socialists or ultra-nationalists.

    Here is a quatation from the article:
    Araştırmaya göre, toplumun yüzde 90'ı hayatında bir Yahudi, Ermeni veya Rum'la temas kurmamış. Toplumun yüzde 42'si Yahudi, yüzde 35'i Hıristiyan komşu istemiyor. Araştırmacılar, hoşgörüyü ölçmek için kullanılan bu sorudaki oranların, dünya ortalamasının çok üstünde olduğunu hatırlatıyor. Toplumun yüzde 19'u gayrimüslimlerin askerlik yapmadığını düşünüyor. Türkiye'de ne kadar Rum, Yahudi veya Ermeni olduğunu doğru bilen kimse yok. Bulgular, toplumda anti-semitizm olmadığını gösteriyor, ama ankete katılanların yarıdan çoğu, gayrimüslimlerin yargı, emniyet, ordu, belediye, hatta sağlık hizmetlerinde bile yer almasından rahatsız.
    As a summary it says %90 of Turkish population (Including Kurds, Boshniaks etc) has never communicated with a J'ew, Armenian or a Greek. %42 of the population does not want a J'ewish neighbor, while %35 doesnt want a Christian neighbor.

    %19 thinks non-Muslims do not do military service (?) (Ive no idea what that means)

    Results says theres no anti-semitism in the society (I could agree with that too) however most of the people are not cool to see non-believers working at judge, police, army, goverment etc services.

    It needs a better translatin anways by a better Turkish and English speaker. Heres the link:

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    Re: Turkey and minorities

    I thought Turkey didn't document censuses based on ethnicity. Where do they get the numbers?
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      Re: Turkey and minorities

      Yes. I did not know that but it says in the article that "nobody knows the real number of the Greeks, Armenians and J'ews". Seems like Ankara does not take the record of them by ethnic roots.

      However, the numbers on this article are not related to that.

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        Re: Turkey and minorities

        Armenia has never mistreated its minority groups much less commit a genocide. turkey has done it to three different ethnic groups and continues to deny it. So please do not compare turkey's pan-turkism to Armenian ideology. If anything, Georgia is a better country to compare with turkey especially in terms of how minorities are (mis)treated.
        For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
        to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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          Re: Turkey and minorities

          Originally posted by Armanen View Post
          Armenia has never mistreated its minority groups much less commit a genocide. turkey has done it to three different ethnic groups and continues to deny it. So please do not compare turkey's pan-turkism to Armenian ideology. If anything, Georgia is a better country to compare with turkey especially in terms of how minorities are (mis)treated.
          I agree with you 100%

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            Re: Turkey and minorities

            Originally posted by Army View Post
            "One nation, one country" (Notice: Its also a motto for Armenia too..).
            The silly motto is actually "one nation, one culture."

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              Re: Turkey and minorities

              Ignorance breeds prejudice in Turkey, study shows

              Wednesday, September 30, 2009

              ISTANBUL - Radikal

              A lack of knowledge and prejudices rather than fact are the main influences of Turks' perceptions of minorities in Turkey, according to a survey carried out earlier this year.

              The Frekans Research Field and Data Processing Co. conducted the survey as part of a project to promote the Turkish j_e_wish community and culture with the sponsorship of the European Commission and the Beyoğlu Rabbi’s Office Foundation. A total of 1,108 people around the country were questioned between May 18 and June 18.

              When asked if minorities were attached to the Republic of Turkey, 54 percent said Alevis were attached and 38 percent said Kurds were. When it came to non-Muslim minorities, the figure decreased sharply to 16 percent for Greeks and 15 percent for Armenians and j_e_ws.

              When asked where they believed members of non-Muslim minority communities should not work, 57 percent said in the intelligence agency; 55 percent in the judiciary, the police department and the military; 51 percent in senior political posts; 46 percent as mayors; 44 percent in science institutions; and 44 percent in medical institutions.

              But 51 percent of respondents said they would not be bothered if non-Muslims occupied mayoral posts, while 53 percent supported their employment in scientific institutions and 54 percent in medical institutions.

              When asked who they would not like as a next-door neighbor, 57 percent said an atheist family, followed by a j_e_wish family at 42 percent, a Christian family at 35 percent and 18 percent for a family from overseas. Thirteen percent said they would not like to live next door to an Alevi family.

              When it came to marking trustworthiness, Muslims scored 7.5 out of 10, according to the participants’ responses. Christians scored 3.9 and j_e_ws scored 3.8.

              On the issue of work ethic, Muslims scored 6.7, while j_e_ws scored 6.8 and Christians 6.4.

              Sixty-eight percent said non-Muslim communities contributed to Turkish business, 64 percent to culture and sports, 59 percent to science and education, and 42 percent to politics.

              Responses based on lack of knowledge

              The participants’ perceptions were largely based on nothing but prejudice because most had no contact with members of these minorities in their lives, according to the study.

              While 70 percent said they were in regular contact with Kurds and 57 percent with Alevis, only 13 percent had Armenian colleagues or schoolmates. Eleven percent had Greek and 10 percent had j_e_wish colleagues at work or school.

              Among their close friends, 64 percent had Kurds, 53 percent Alevis, 14 percent atheists, 10 percent Christians, 8 percent Greeks and 7 percent j_e_ws.

              When asked if they knew anything about the identities, lives and cultures of the minority communities in Turkey, 76 percent admitted they had no knowledge of j_e_ws.

              Seventy-four percent said they didn’t know about the culture of the Greek and Armenian communities living in their midst. Forty percent said they knew nothing about Alevis and 30 percent said the same about Kurds.

              Citizens of Turkey

              The participants were also asked how they identified themselves. Fifty-one percent said they were citizens of Turkey, while 19 percent said they were Turks. Another 19 percent identified themselves as Muslims, while 2 percent said they were Kurds and another 2 percent said they were Alevis.

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                Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                I thought Turkey didn't document censuses based on ethnicity. Where do they get the numbers?
                Here are some estimated numbers made public by Turkey in 2000:

                Report by Thomas Hammarberg, Commissioner for Human Rights of the Council of Europe, following his visit to Turkey on 28 June - 3 July 2009. Issue reviewed: Human rights of minorities:

                The Commissioner has noted that there are no recent, official numerical data regarding minority groups in Turkey. Estimates that were made public by Turkey in 2000 regarding the Armenian, Greek and J_ewsh minority populations in Turkey were respectively 50 000-93 500, 3 270-4 000 and 25 000-26 114.

                Full report here
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                To make it a little more easier to read the numbers:

                Armenians: 50 000-93 500

                J_ews: 25 000-26 114

                Greeks: 3 270-4 000

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                I`m not surprised by the low numbers for the Greek minority.(the pogrom against the Greeks in 1955 but also other minorities as well and the expulsion of the remaining Greeks in 1963)

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                  Re: Turkey and minorities

                  Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                  Armenia has never mistreated its minority groups much less commit a genocide. turkey has done it to three different ethnic groups and continues to deny it. So please do not compare turkey's pan-turkism to Armenian ideology. If anything, Georgia is a better country to compare with turkey especially in terms of how minorities are (mis)treated.
                  Well this is not a Georgian forum, why should I compare Georgia here? And yes, Georgia is in trouble with minorities...:/

                  @Alexandros

                  ... Bulgaria exiled 250.000 Turks just in early 1990s. Turkey is not the only country around with such things. And I've always wondered what did happen to the Muslim majority of Creete in 1800s..
                  Last edited by Army; 10-04-2009, 09:13 AM.

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                    Re: Turkey and minorities

                    Originally posted by Army View Post
                    Well this is not a Georgian forum, why should I compare Georgia here? And yes, Georgia is in trouble with minorities...:/

                    @Alexandros

                    ... Bulgaria exiled 250.000 Turks just in early 1990s. Turkey is not the only country around with such things. And I've always wondered what did happen to the Muslim majority of Creete in 1800s..
                    What kind of logic is that? We are talking about a number of countries and all of them have some relation to Armenia. The domestic politics of Georgia to a certain degree greatly affect Armenia and likewise Armeno-Georgian relations are important too.

                    Bulgaria made all turks who would not change their surnames to Bulgarianized ones leave the country, and it was in the late 80s. One of the few times the turks got a taste of their own medicine, and after the horrors they had commited in the Balkans during their 500 year rule, I am not sorry for them.

                    As far as Crete goes, its turkish population was artificially placed there and it was artificially relocated when the island returned to its rightful owner
                    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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