Genocide of the Serbs

[retro]

Re: Genocide of the Serbs

no matter how much NATO wants to protect the Zionists, the state of Israel is doomed to be destroyed, by it's own hands, eventually.

As for Blair, he's the british version of the Bush/Cheney school of imperialism.. don't expect anything else from him.

If anything now that they are bankrupt the Zionists, Anglo-American puppets will if anything accelerate their imperialism. Israel has a expansionist aspirations and that crowd of megalomaniacs can look out for themselves.

[arakeretzig]

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Whilst the Croatians, Serbs and Bosnians aren't boy scouts either. The Turks Albanian lackeys are a race of pimps, criminals and gangsters.

It's was the sociopath Blair, who told Clinton to bomb the Serbs and I suppose that some for of Anglo-American intervention was always on the cards.

I see that Blair hasn't changed much either.

no matter how much NATO wants to protect the Zionists, the state of Israel is doomed to be destroyed, by it's own hands, eventually.

As for Blair, he's the british version of the Bush/Cheney school of imperialism.. don't expect anything else from him.

[retro]

Re: Genocide of the Serbs

Whilst the Croatians, Serbs and Bosnians aren't boy scouts either. The Turks Albanian lackeys are a race of pimps, criminals and gangsters.

It's was the sociopath Blair, who told Clinton to bomb the Serbs and I suppose that some for of Anglo-American intervention was always on the cards.

I see that Blair hasn't changed much either.

Tony Blair: West should use force if Iran 'continues to develop nuclear weapons'

Former prime minister says it is wholly unacceptable for Tehran to seek nuclear weapons capability

The west should use force against Iran if it "continues to develop nuclear weapons", Tony Blair said today, aligning himself with US hawks who have called for strikes against Iranian nuclear sites.

The former prime minister made his comments in a BBC interview to publicise his memoirs, A Journey, which are published today.

Blair said it was "wholly unacceptable" for Tehran to seek a nuclear weapons capability and insisted there could be "no alternative" to military force "if they continue to develop nuclear weapons".
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/01/tony-blair-west-use-force-iran-nuclear-weapons

[bell-the-cat]

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NATO is a bunch of imperialist pigs controlled to serve the purpose of the Zionist agenda. They don't give a xxxx about anyone but themselves and their goals. They use their massive economical resources, propaganda and force to achieve their goals.
Serbia should not get into EU, it will be the biggest mistake it'll ever make. You only have to look at history to see who are your real friends and enemies, but ultimately, you should only trust yourselves.

Also, bell-cat, i've not seen such an armenian hater like you, go back to pakistan defense forum where you belong.

As if the Serbs would be stupid enough to take advice from you.

[arakeretzig]

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NATO is a bunch of imperialist pigs controlled to serve the purpose of the Zionist agenda. They don't give a xxxx about anyone but themselves and their goals. They use their massive economical resources, propaganda and force to achieve their goals.
Serbia should not get into EU, it will be the biggest mistake it'll ever make. You only have to look at history to see who are your real friends and enemies, but ultimately, you should only trust yourselves.

Also, bell-cat, i've not seen such an armenian hater like you, go back to pakistan defense forum where you belong.

[Merv]

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I think that is now the accepted view amongst historians - that Germany wanted a military conflict and engineered the position that Austria would make demands on Serbia that were so totally unacceptable that war was inevitable. And Madeleine Albright, for the same reasons, did the same at the Rambouillet talks in the 1990s. Those that do not learn from history (or at least remember it) are doomed to repeat it - Serbia really should have seen it coming, and seen the earlier events (allowing Germany, a country still dripping in the blood of its millions of victims and completely unashamed and unapologetic about its past criminality in the Balkans, to get away with recognising the breakaway republics is the equivalent of Armenia allowing Turkey to decide how the NK issue should be settled).

Oh, they saw it from a mile away. But what can a small country like that do against a great power like Germany? Beginning in the early 1990s there was already agitation for "action against Serbia." Everyone jumped in. Germans, NATO, various humanitarians ("ethnic cleansing"), Muslim powers and mujahedeen (they were running around Bosnia in the thousands, decapitating people), feminists ("Serbs are a nation of rapists"), the Jewish community ("another Holocaust is happening, stop it"), etc.

Milosevic was trying to wriggle his way out of getting Serbia attacked for a long 8 years from 1991 to 1999. His support to Croatian Serbs was minimal and then in 1995 he abandoned them to Croatian military attack. In 1994, after the Bosnian Serbs rejected the Vance-Owen peace plan, Milosevic blockaded the Drina River and stopped supplying them with help; then he signed a Dayton agreement that left the Brcko corridor up to the powers-that-be to arbitrate, and of course they essentially gave it to the Muslims, splitting Republika Srpska in half. In 1998, after repeated threats, he allowed into Kosovo the UN observers, which gave William Walker free access, who then concocted the "Racak massace."

Really, it's a sad history of attempting to cower and weasel one's way away from the blow that is inevitable. Rambouillet was a miserable farce and just as scandalous as the WWI ultimatum. Historians who write about it will see that. And the "genocide" stories they circulated about Kosovo mostly turned out to be utter lies as well: 5000 killed Albanians and 2300 killed Serbs (civilians and military) is not evidence of genocide; war crimes maybe, but not genocide. And lets not forget that 90%+ of war crimes (at least by the Serb side) happened after the NATO bombing began, again proof of the fact that NATO did not stop a humanitarian catastrophe but initiated it. But the truth about this will come to the surface eventually.

[bell-the-cat]

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This is an interesting book by a German that suggests that Germany was really pushing Austria into declaring war on Serbia:

I think that is now the accepted view amongst historians - that Germany wanted a military conflict and engineered the position that Austria would make demands on Serbia that were so totally unacceptable that war was inevitable. And Madeleine Albright, for the same reasons, did the same at the Rambouillet talks in the 1990s. Those that do not learn from history (or at least remember it) are doomed to repeat it - Serbia really should have seen it coming, and seen the earlier events (allowing Germany, a country still dripping in the blood of its millions of victims and completely unashamed and unapologetic about its past criminality in the Balkans, to get away with recognising the breakaway republics is the equivalent of Armenia allowing Turkey to decide how the NK issue should be settled).

[Merv]

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Ahh ... that reminds me of another Armenian who (in a radio show phone-in during the Kosovo war) accused Serbia of "starting WW1" and of thus being partly responsible for the Armenian Genocide!

Yes, well, that's how its often interpreted nowadays. Given the propaganda against the Serbs in the 1990s, they are no longer portrayed as a people fighting for its liberation from Austrian rule (as the French, British, and Americans would have understood it back in 1914), but rather as the one responsible for WWI. Ironic, really.

The reality is that the war would have happened either way. Germany was eager to assert her power in Europe, Austria was eager to get rid of her main opponent in the Balkans (Serbia and indirectly Russia), and the Ottoman empire was going to respond to Armenians with genocide at one point or another (the Hamidian massacres and the Adana massacre are evidence of a decades-long attitude that tended towards genocide.

This is an interesting book by a German that suggests that Germany was really pushing Austria into declaring war on Serbia:

[bell-the-cat]

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...including the fact that the 1914 assassination by Princip set off a wave of pogroms and executions against Bosnian Serbs all over Bosnia:

Ahh ... that reminds me of another Armenian who (in a radio show phone-in during the Kosovo war) accused Serbia of "starting WW1" and of thus being partly responsible for the Armenian Genocide!

[bell-the-cat]

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Just to be factually correct, also, you are right about WWI, but about WWII not exactly. The largest victims (as an ethnic group) were Jews and Gypsies, followed by Russians, Poles, and Serbs. As for what countries experienced the worst killing rates as a whole (not specifying the ethnicity of the victim), it was first Poland, and then the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia were tied in 2nd place.

I still think I'm right in saying that Serbia lost the highest % of its population in WW2, but I can't remember the source I got the info from. The largest number of dead may have been Russians (to be correct we should say Soviet citizens), but it was small in relation to the total population of the Soviet Union. Hitler might have done away with most xxxs in Europe, but as a % of the number of xxxs in the whole world it is not as high as the number of dead Serbs were in relation to the total number of Serbs in the world. Same for Gypsies.