Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

[KanadaHye]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

They are (outside forces ) trying to make Bengazi as the "last stand"
and excuse to interfere.

It makes little sense to interfere this late in the game especially since Tripoli is the strong hold and the traitor forces have done little to weaken the Libyan military. If that's what the West was hoping for, I think their visions were slightly overzealous. Either way, the US is pushing for a UN mandate to attack Gadhafi's military and I shudder to think what the end result of that decision would be if in fact the US does make an offensive attack on Libya.

[londontsi]

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It makes little sense to interfere this late in the game especially since Tripoli is the strong hold and the traitor forces have done little to weaken the Libyan military. If that's what the West was hoping for, I think their visions were slightly overzealous. Either way, the US is pushing for a UN mandate to attack Gadhafi's military and I shudder to think what the end result of that decision would be if in fact the US does make an offensive attack on Libya.

On the UK TV and in the Parliament the debates seems to be “we should not react but get ahead of the game”, that's why Benghazi. Its their last hope.

They are also arguing the fact that Benghazi is a 1 million city and casualties will be high.
Trying to put a “humanitarian” angle to it.
Its al lot bs of course.

Also trying desperately to get the UN involved.

I agree its rather late in the game but the stakes are high.
I can see BP being chucked out of there for the part the UK has played.

Maybe that’s why the US has been soft peddling in order to wrong foot the UK (BP).

[KanadaHye]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

On the UK TV and in the Parliament the debates seems to be “we should not react but get ahead of the game”, that's why Benghazi. Its their last hope.

They are also arguing the fact that Benghazi is a 1 million city and casualties will be high.
Trying to put a “humanitarian” angle to it.
Its al lot bs of course.

Also trying desperately to get the UN involved.

I agree its rather late in the game but the stakes are high.
I can see BP being chucked out of there for the part the UK has played.

Maybe that’s why the US has been soft peddling in order to wrong foot the UK (BP).

Well Gaddafi claims he won't sell to the West now but money talks and rhetoric walks. At the end of the day, as long as these corporations make a profit off other people's backs, they don't care who they are exploiting and who is allowing for the exploitation to take place. Venezuela is still giving oil to the U.S. despite all the America bashing. Perhaps the West thinks Gaddafi was starting to get soft in his old age trying to build hospitals and invest in Libya. Trying to follow who benefits from these incursions and disputes is like trying to unravel a ball of yarn. BP was originally a British-Persian venture then went on to merge with Standard Oil of America. I think if you tie all these oil companies together, at the top is some chief that gets a cut out of all of it and the politics and wars are just to throw the people off their trails.

[Federate]

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The UN just approved the no-fly zone. I think this is the quickest decision the UN has ever come to... if this does not say conspiracy against Libya, I don't know what does. Sh!t's about to hit the fan, Ghazafi just said "If the world is crazy, we will be crazy too."

[KanadaHye]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

The UN just approved the no-fly zone. I think this is the quickest decision the UN has ever come to... if this does not say conspiracy against Libya, I don't know what does. Sh!t's about to hit the fan, Ghazafi just said "If the world is crazy, we will be crazy too."

In order for any of this to be successful, the entire Ghazafi clan has to disappear just like Saddam and his sons. Ghazafi can survive a lot longer than Saddam. Destruction of Libya's military would leave a rather large security gap and the American military complex is already spread out too thin.

[londontsi]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

In order for any of this to be successful, the entire Ghazafi clan has to disappear just like Saddam and his sons. Ghazafi can survive a lot longer than Saddam. Destruction of Libya's military would leave a rather large security gap and the American military complex is already spread out too thin.

True.
The way probably this will be played out will be to use the resolution to stay “over” Libya indefinitely, like Iraq.

At their timing they will create an agitation and excuse to get involved on the ground.

The resolution is the rope round Gadhafi's neck for LIFE which can be pulled at the leisure of the oil hungry.

This is still interesting in that only the US can mount such an operation therefore best placed to participate in the loot.

[Federate]

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Libya declares immediate ceasefire



Libya's government has announced it will halt all military operations in the country hours after the United Nations Security Council backed a no-fly zone over the country.

Moussa Koussa, the Libyan foreign minister, said his government was interested in protecting all civilians and foreigners, in a statement televised on Friday.

"We decided on an immediate ceasefire and on an immediate stop to all military operations," he said, adding "[Libya] takes great interest in protecting civilians."

Koussa said because his country was a member of the United Nations it was "obliged to accept to UN Security Council''s resolutions".

But Anita McNaught, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Tripoli, said the statement was "very carefully crafted ... very deliberate, almost forensic".

"Clearly the Libyans have been poring over their United Nations charters to decide which bits to disagree with and on the whole they can't find very much."

"My hunch is that it is an effort to buy time because the Libyans I think have been taken completely by surprise by this sudden resurgence of an [international] consensus on action."

The latest announcement contrasted with earlier comments by Muammar Gaddafi, the country''s leader, who warned residents of Benghazi, the eastern rebel stronghold, that his forces would show "no mercy" in an impending assault on the city.

"We will track them [fighters] down, and search for them, alley by alley, road by road," he said in a radio address on Thursday.

Britain and France ''cautious''

Tony Birtley, Al Jazeera's reporter in Benghazi, said pro-democracy fighters there were positive but cautious about the ceasefire.

France also said it was remaining wary.

"We have to be very cautious. He [Gaddafi] is now starting to be afraid, but on the ground the threat has not changed," Bernard Valero, foreign ministry spokesman told the Reuters news agency.

David Cameron, Britain's prime minister, responded to the ceasefire saying Gaddafi would be judged by "his actions not his words".

"What is absolutely clear is the UN Security Council
resolution said he must stop what he is doing, brutalising his
people.

"If not, all necessary measures can follow to make him
stop," he told the BBC.

"That is what we agreed last night, that is what we are
preparing for and we''ll judge him by what he does."

Earlier Cameron said Britain was about to start sending fighter jets and surveillance aircraft to military bases in the Mediterrranean in preparation for a no-fly zone.

Speaking to parliament he said Tornado and Typhoon jets would be deployed imminently along with surveillance and re-fuelling planes.

"Preparations to deploy these aircraft have already started and in the coming hours they will move to airbases from where they can start to take the necessary action," he said.

The UN Security Council backed a resolution authorising a no-fly zone over Libya and "all necessary measures" to protect civilians late on Thursday.

The intervention, which is expected to be enforced by Britain, France, the US, Norway and Qatar, bans military aircraft from flying in Libyan airspace, but not commercial or humanitarian flights.

Paul Brennan, Al Jazeera''s correspondent in London, said the military preparations by international forces were going to continue regardless of Koussa''s announcement.

"It could make it more difficult to actually launch attacks, but from the idea of preparation I don''t think it''s going to deflect the coalition forces at all.

"What they need to do at this early stage is get the forces into position so they can enforce a no-fly zone as authorised by the UN Security Council.

"They''ll decide at some point whether they attack any forces on the ground and that will depend largely on what Gaddafi''s forces are doing."

Eurocontrol, Europe''s air traffic agency, said earlier the Libyan government had closed its airspace to all traffic in response to the UN resolution.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/2011318124421218583.html

[Eddo211]

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The opposition has been declared by the West as the legit government. The rebels are now under their protection however the West needs the rebels to be more agressive and better trained if they want to success, they do not want to deploy foreign troops yet (according to CNN).

[KanadaHye]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

The opposition has been declared by the West as the legit government. The rebels are now under their protection however the West needs the rebels to be more agressive and better trained if they want to success, they do not want to deploy foreign troops yet (according to CNN).

They are really aiming to make a mockery out of international law.


Libya declares ceasefire as UN readies for strike

With U.S., British, French and Canadian forces poised to attack Libyan air force installations to ensure airborne weapons stay on the ground, Libyan Foreign Minister Musa Kusa said Friday that his government was obliged to accept the resolution.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ay-031811.html

You know there is a wide gap in global security when Canadian forces need to be used

[Federate]

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They are really aiming to make a mockery out of international law.

International law is only applicable when there is a profit or some sort of gain to be made by the stronger side.