Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

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Ghadafi's 3 grandchildren were also killed in the attacks. Vandals attacked the Italian and British embassies in the Libyan capital in response. This must be how the British crown celebrates newlyweds in their family.

The human species is f*cked. Three children died and we see fireworks ablazing to celebrate and all the media can talk about is how Ghazafi "lucked out". A toast to humanity!

[KanadaHye]

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The human species is f*cked. Three children died and we see fireworks ablazing to celebrate and all the media can talk about is how Ghazafi "lucked out". A toast to humanity!

You're not being logical. NATO is justified in killing relentlessly because a U.S. envoy says Gadhafi troops are using Viagra to rape in rebel areas. You see, the U.S. diplomats grab a bag of popcorn and sit down while watching people take Viagra and commit rape. So this justifies the brutal killing of innocent people anywhere in the world.

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You're not being logical. NATO is justified in killing relentlessly because a U.S. envoy says Gadhafi troops are using Viagra to rape in rebel areas. You see, the U.S. diplomats grab a bag of popcorn and sit down while watching people take Viagra and commit rape. So this justifies the brutal killing of innocent people anywhere in the world.

What's funny is that if Ghazafi had claimed that the rebels were taking viagra and raping people, everyone would laugh it off but apparently, it seems sane when NATO says it. Just like when NATO shrugged off Ghazafi allegations that the rebels are drug-fueled which isn't as inaccurate as everyone made it seem to be. I wonder what it feels like to drive a tank after smoking hashish )))

[KanadaHye]

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Similar tactics were used in the U.S. to make sure the anti-war protesters remained calm and mellow during the Vietnam era. With the end result being the offspring of hippies, I'd say the damage to braincells lasts for generations.

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Ghadafi, no doubt ordered the destruction of these Western embassies in retaliation to NATO's airstrikes.

Britain has expelled the Libyan ambassador after attacks on the UK embassy in Tripoli. Those came a day after a NATO airstrike killed the Libyan leader's youngest son. The UN has evacuated staff from the capital.

Britain announced Sunday it would expel Libya's ambassador after the UK's embassy was attacked in Tripoli. The attacks came just hours after a NATO airstrike killed Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's youngest son late on Saturday.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said Libyan Ambassador Omar Jelban was "persona non grata" and had been given 24 hours to leave the country.

Hague confirmed reports that the British diplomatic compound in the Libyan capital had been destroyed, and said there had also been attacks on other countries' diplomatic missions there.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15041708,00.html

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Libyan revolutionaries over their heads


Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:36PM
By Roshan Muhammed Salih

In the last few weeks, a series of western delegations have visited the Libyan revolutionary stronghold of Benghazi.


First came the EU foreign affairs supremo, then the Italian Foreign Minister, the US Assistant Secretary for the Near East, and most recently the British foreign minister. All have come bearing promises of military, economic and political support.

Meanwhile, Libya's revolutionary leadership, the National Transitional Council (NTC), has welcomed the foreign delegations with open arms, grateful for whatever help they can get in their struggle against Muammar Gaddafi.

But it would be naïve to believe that the western delegations are helping the Libyan revolutionaries out of the goodness of their hearts. After all, these are the same people who brought us the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and who have been propping up Arab dictators for years.

It is much more likely that the West has cleverly positioned itself to reap the bonanza from a post-Gaddafi Libya. They have done this by offering the Libyan revolutionaries an instant benefit - military protection against Gaddafi's forces and ultimate victory against them.

But there will be an inevitable payback at a later date as we all know there is no such thing as a free lunch. And that payback will come in the form of privileged access to oil reserves and to contracts to rebuild the country. And economic domination leads to political domination.

“Humanitarian intervention”

With slogans being bandied about such as “humanitarian intervention” and Gaddafi being compared to Hitler, it is sometimes difficult to distinguish the wood from the trees. So it is worth recounting just how the West has maneuvered itself into pole position in Libya.

After a genuine uprising against Gaddafi's dictatorial rule erupted in February, Gaddafi's forces rallied and were on the verge of retaking Libya's second biggest city, Benghazi.
Fearing imminent defeat and possible massacre, the Libyan revolutionaries sent out appeals for help. But when none was forthcoming from Arab countries they accepted NATO's offer in March to enforce a no-fly zone and prevent Gaddafi's forces from entering Benghazi.

Whether this massacre would have taken place is open to argument. Those who said it would point to the fact that Gaddafi had referred to the protesters as "xxxxroaches" and "rats," and had vowed to cleanse Libya house by house until the insurrection was crushed. Others say Gaddafi would have simply rounded up the main ringleaders and exercised political repression. Crimes may have been committed for sure, but it wouldn't have been Rwanda.

Three months, thousands of deaths, and hundreds of thousands of refugees later, the National Transitional Council is heavily in debt to and wholly dependent on the West. Meanwhile, the country is in chaos, effectively divided in two parts, and with most of its institutions barely functioning.

The leader of the NTC, Mustafa Abdul Jalil, has made it clear that the nations which have helped the revolutionaries will be best placed to benefit from future contracts. And the NTC's oil and finance minister, Ali Tarhuni, has admitted that he has held more meetings with foreign oil companies than he can count.

Meanwhile, the original “defensive” protection of civilians has developed into an offensive war to enforce regime change - making the intervention probably illegal and certainly morally questionable. The revolutionaries are now launching an offensive campaign to take Tripoli with the help of NATO, without which they would be virtually ineffective. But no one knows how much support the revolutionaries or Gaddafi really have so why are foreign powers taking sides with the intention of enforcing victory in a civil war?

Independence

I am not trying to defend Muammar Gaddafi or glorify his legacy. His human rights record speaks for itself and no one has a divine right to rule over a people for as long as he likes. But at least Libya was an independent nation under his rule and the West couldn't set up military bases on the Libyan land or effectively steal the country's oil.
Moreover, having spent the last three weeks in revolutionary Libya it seems pretty obvious that most ordinary people view their struggle as a jihad, and are looking forward to a representative Islamic democracy as opposed to the idiosyncratic secular dictatorship they have been used to.

But it is also obvious that the revolution's leaders are thinking short-term and small picture instead of long-term and big picture. By opening the country to western military personnel and NGOs they are effectively mortgaging its future.

And by refusing to negotiate a political settlement that leaves Gaddafi in at least temporary control of the West, they are almost certainly prolonging war, suffering and chaos.

If the Libyan war had followed the logic of an internal dispute I am sure there would have been similar horrors and chaos to what we are witnessing now. But after it had all finished the country would have had a chance of emerging on its feet and in control of its destiny.

It would have therefore followed the logic of the Arab revolutions which have been all about throwing off the shackles of dependency and achieving independence and self-determination. But now Libya faces the real danger of being turned into a western client state.

So the end of the colonel seems nigh - the economic, political and military pressure on him is increasing by the day and he will probably last months at best. But his demise may only be the beginning of Libya's troubles.

RMS/PKH

http://www.presstv.com/detail/184242.html

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What does everyone make of NATO's policy of destroying ancient remnants and history in and around the Middle East?


NATO refuses to rule out bombing Libyan Roman ruins




NATO refused to say Tuesday whether or not it would bomb ancient Roman ruins in Libya if it knew Moammar Gadhafi was hiding military equipment there.

"We will strike military vehicles, military forces, military equipment or military infrastructure that threaten Libyan civilians as necessary," a NATO official in Naples told CNN, declining to give his name in discussing internal NATO deliberations.

But he said the alliance could not verify rebel claims that Libya's leader may be hiding rocket launchers at the UNESCO World Heritage site of Leptis Magna, a Roman city between the capital Tripoli and rebel-held Misrata.

Wing Commander Mike Bracken, a spokesman for NATO's Libya mission, later said it "would be a concern for us that Gadhafi and pro-Gadhafi forces would choose to contravene international law in hiding themselves in such a location."

And, he said, "If we were to take on any targets we would consider all risks."

But he underlined that NATO could not confirm suggestions that weapons might be placed at the heritage site.

The Bracken briefing came a day after a top British military officer admitted that the bombing campaign was straining British resources.

"If we do it for longer than six months, then we have to reprioritize our forces," Admiral Mark Stanhope said Monday.

"That does not mean we won't be doing it," he added.

NATO recently extended its mission -- officially to protect civilians in Libya from Gadhafi's efforts to crush an uprising that has left rebels in control of parts of the country -- for another 90 days, into September.

British Minister of Defence Liam Fox said Tuesday the Libya mission showed "how capable we are" and emphasized that the United Kingdom has the fourth largest military budget in the world.

Concerns over British capabilities came as Germany's foreign minister visited the de facto rebel capital of Benghazi and rebels reported progress against government forces in western mountain cities.

Guido Westerwelle said Germany formally recognized the rebel Transitional National Council as the representative of the Libyan people, putting Berlin in line with the United States, France, Italy and a handful of other countries.

As Germany recognized the rebel leadership, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged countries in Africa on Monday to kick out diplomats representing Gadhafi's government.

Also Monday, after a siege of nearly two months, rebels have freed the city of Al-Rayyana, northeast of Zintan, said rebel fighter Talha Al-Jiwali. Nine rebels were killed, and 35 were wounded, he said.

Al-Jiwali said forces entering Al-Rayyana found that more than 20 residents had been killed, a number of the women had been raped, and the town's electricity and water had been cut.

In nearby Zawiet al-Baqool, just east of Zintan, 500 to 600 government forces retained control, but the fighting was ongoing, he said.

Al-Jiwali added that nearly 100 members of Gadhafi's forces were killed in the two cities and that rebels confiscated their vehicles and arms.

Clinton pressed for diplomatic support for the rebels at a meeting of the African Union in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.

She urged countries to "suspend the operations of Gadhafi's embassies in your countries," expel pro-Gadhafi diplomats and "increase contact and support" with the Transitional National Council, which represents the main opposition to Gadhafi's rule.

"Your words and actions could make the difference in bringing the situation finally to a close and allowing the people of Libya, on an inclusive basis, in a unified Libya, to get to work writing a constitution and rebuilding their country," she said.

The United States views the council "as the legitimate interlocutor for the Libyan people during this interim period," Clinton said last week in the United Arab Emirates.

On Monday, the United Arab Emirates notified Gadhafi's ambassador in that country that his diplomatic status there will expire in 72 hours, a diplomatic source in the country said. The UAE has recognized the Transitional National Council as the legitimate Libyan government.

World powers beefed up financial and moral support for the Libyan opposition last week at an international coalition meeting aimed at charting the course of a post-Gadhafi Libya.

At that meeting, in the UAE, Clinton announced an additional $26 million in U.S. aid for the victims of Libya's ongoing war. She also said time will be on the international coalition's side so long as Gadhafi faces sustained pressure.

Italy pledged up to $580 million to the Transitional National Council, which is facing a budget shortfall, to cover its expenses, but not weapons, Foreign Ministry spokesman Maurizio Massari said.

Kuwait will donate the $180 million it promised in April for humanitarian needs, said Sheikh Mohammed Sabah al Salman al Sabah, the Gulf nation's deputy prime minister and minister of foreign affairs.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa...html?hpt=hp_t2

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NATO's "democratic" terrorists reject free elections for Libya

NATO's "democratic" terrorists reject free elections for Libya

17.06.2011

NATO attacks hotel while the Libyan government makes peace offer





No shortage of Ghaddafi supporters

Representatives of the Libyan government and the opposition met on Thursday (16th) to discuss the crisis, said Mikhail Marguelov, diplomat sent to the country by Russian President Dmitri Medvedev. Meanwhile, the rebels and U.S. officials said they will not accept the election campaign proposed by the Libyan leader's son, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi.

Marguelov said the Tripoli authorities admitted they were in "direct contact" with the National Transitional Council (NTC), which represents the opposition against the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

The Russian remained for several hours in the Libyan capital, in dialogue with Prime Minister Baghdadi al-Mahmoudi, and the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Abdul Ati al-Obeidi, to articulate a mediation of the Kremlin to establish a ceasefire pact and further negotiations with the rebels.

According to the Russian, "the prime minister said that the last round of negotiations had taken place in Paris on Wednesday (15th)," with the knowledge of French President Nicolas Sarkozy, according to the diplomat.

Both Al-Mahmoudi and Marguelov agree that the dialogue with the Libyan government does not include discussion on the exit of Gaddafi from power. "This is an inviolable border," explained the Prime Minister while rejecting the pressures and conditions the West is trying to impose on Libya.

The Russian envoy was in Benghazi last week, meeting with terrorist leaders of the NTC, and declared, before arriving in Tripoli, that he believes that the Libyan opposition does not desire the death of Gaddafi.


democratic unarmed darlings of NATO know they would lose an election

Libyan television reported the stay of the Russian envoy and his evidence on the NATO air bombings, which hit in 44 attack missions, of which only 13 were supposedly military targets.

Foreign correspondents affirm that one of the places destroyed was the Wanzirik Hotel, situated in the center of the capital, near the complex of Bab al-Aziziya - where Gaddafi used to reside - causing at least 12 civilian casualties.

On the other hand, the local press reprinted excerpts from an interview with Saif al-Islam Gaddafi to an Italian newspaper in which the son of the Libyan leader said his government would accept elections in a period of three months or up to the end of 2011.

Saif expressed the conviction that his father would be victorious in any vote because "He is very popular in the country." He even proposed that these hypothetical polls be monitored by international authorities in order to put an end to the armed clashes.

"The European Union, the African Union, the United Nations or even NATO can monitor the voting process," said Saif, who also defended a new constitution and independence for the media.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, after being informed of the interview, the U.S. backed terrorist rebels and U.S. officials said they will not accept the election campaign proposed by Saif.

In other words, it's all a farce, a scam, total utter lies and deception from beginning to end. NATO and their terrorist cronies are just interested in stealing everything from the Libyan people, using Libya as a doorway to Africa to colonize the entire continent once again and establish a base of operations.

They know they can NEVER win a free and democratic election in Libya. Their end game is to supplant the African Union (free movement of people and goods, affordable public services for all Africans) by AFRICOM.

NATO will not accept the elections and the terrorists will not support the elections for one simple reason: they know clearly that Gaddafi would win and this gives legitimacy to his Government and totally removes any iota of right and reason NATO claimed to have for their terrorist imperialist assaults on Libya.

They are nothing but totally corrupt, rotten, dishonest and most of all genocidal murderers. May their ugly, rotten black souls be damned to hell and may they get sent there as soon as possible.

As has been said before in this space, they are truce breakers and cannot be trusted, not under any circumstances whatsoever. They make Hitler and his SS look like Mother Theresa and a choir of singing nuns.

Source: Prensa Latina

　

Translated from the Portuguese version and appended by:

Lisa Karpova

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NATO helicopter drone shot down today