Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

[Serjik]

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I don't think this war is any of Armenians business. I think we need worry more about Syria or Iran.

[Federate]

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This war could turn into a practice run for a war against Syria and/or Iran.

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ZAWIYA, LIBYA—Libya’s rebels threatened to isolate Tripoli by blocking key supply routes and cutting oil pipelines after a dramatic weekend advance put them in the strongest position since the 6-month-old civil war began to attack Moammar Gadhafi’s stronghold.

In Washington, the Obama administration said Monday the U.S. was encouraged by the rebel advances and hoped they had broken a monthslong stalemate with Gadhafi’s forces.

“We are closing the roads for Gadhafi so there is no way for him to bring anything to Tripoli,” a rebel field commander, Jumma Dardira, told The Associated Press.

The rebels’ push into the strategic city of Zawiya on Saturday brought them within 48 kilometres of Tripoli, the closest they have ever gotten.

Also Monday, U.S. defence officials said Libyan government forces tapped into their stores of Scud missiles this weekend, firing one for the first time in this year’s conflict with rebels, but hurting no one.

The missile launch was detected by U.S. forces shortly after midnight Sunday and the Scud landed in the desert about 80 kilometres outside Brega, said one official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1039957--libyan-rebels-close-grip-on-gadhafi-as-regime-launches-scud-missile?bn=1

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Rebels storm Gadhafi compound

Cheers and celebratory gunfire rang out after hundreds of Libyan rebel forces fought their way into Moammar Gadhafi's compound in the country's captial of Tripoli today, and began to loot it of guns and other supplies.

Jubilation continued throughout most of the day until dusk began to fall, and the party abruptly ended. At one point, pockets of Gadhafi loyalists began firing mortars and thousands of gleeful celebrants suddenly started to run for cover. Some buildings outside the compound were hit.

Without any police or armed forces to establish order, which was made more difficult because most of Tripoli has no electricity, rampant vandalism continued in the streets.

Earlier today, large plumes of thick, black smoke could be seen rising from the compound. An Associated Press reporter at the scene said that hundreds of rebels poured into the complex after the compound's gates were blasted open. After entering the compound, the AP reporter said the body of a slain pro-Gadhafi fighter with a gaping head wound was sprawled on the floor of one of two tents that had been used for pro-regime protests. The other tent was partially on fire.

Opposition radio reported that an independence flag was raised over Gadhafi's compound, according to the BBC.

The whereabouts of Gadhafi and members of his immediate family remain unknown. A rebel spokesman told ABC News that they believe Gaddafi is still in or near Tripoli.

After the gates were opened, rebel soldiers drove pick-up trucks around the grounds inside the compound, while others walked away with AK-47s, pro-Gadhafi forces' uniforms and other supplies slung over their shoulders.

Al Jazeera captured video of rebel fighters were also seen kicking the bronze head of Gadhafi's statue, which was removed some time after the rebel forces stormed the compound. A few also climbed on top of the infamous statue of a golden hand crushing a jet fighter that stands in front of a building bombed by the United States in 1986.

NATO airstrikes have heavily damaged the compound, as tanks rolled began firing at rebels trying to get in on Monday, Reuters also reported.

President Obama and President Sarkozy of France discussed the developing situation in Libya Tuesday, and reiterated that Gadhafi's regime needs to accept that it is time to relinquish their power.

Earlier today, a large numbers of rebel fighters retreated into Libya's western towns and cities to regroup with weapons looted from Gadhafi's armory, while others clashed with the Libyan leader's regime as the battle for Tripoli enters its third day.

Rebels broke into Bab al-Azizya, the main military compound in Tripoli, and reportedly filled several pick-up trucks to the brim with munitions and supplies. Rebel soldiers told ABC News that they plan to return to their bases then go back to Tripoli to attack Gadhafi's loyalists one more time in an attempt to seal victory.

The retreat is a shift in the situation in Tripoli on Monday when reports indicated that two of Gadhafi's three sons were captured by rebels and the 40-year reign of his regime was crumbling.

Gadhafi's forces have been pushed into a corner since rebel fighters entered Tripoli on Sunday, with State Department officials estimating that the rebels are in control of 90 percent of Tripoli.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/battle-libya-rampant-looting-gunfire-gadhafis-compound-rebels/story?id=14360791

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This war could turn into a practice run for a war against Syria and/or Iran.

It's best that Syria remain secular and that Syria makes the reforms required to transition towards a more representative government. Assad's regime should not of taken such a hard line and it's likely that Assad will have to step aside. As far to many protesters have been killed by Syrian security forces.

As for Iran, the Iranians are isolated and in many respects the West is more at odds with Pakistan than Iran. It isn't the Wests geostrategic interests to weaken Shia Iran, since the Iranians are a counter to Central Asia and to a lesser degree Turkey. What is more Russia won't tolerate Western meddling within it's sphere.

UN Chief Accuses Assad Of Failing to End Crackdown

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has criticized Syrian President Bashar Assad for failing to halt a lethal military crackdown on dissent.

Ban says Assad pledged to him by phone that all military and security operations would end. The secretary-general said many world leaders have urged Assad to end the violence. Ban spoke as the UN Human Rights Council held a two-day urgent session on Syria. In a speech to the session, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said more than 2,200 people have been killed in the five-month-old crackdown by Syrian forces.

China, Cuba and Russia were among the few delegations to back Syria. The United States, and the European Union, were joined by regional powers Egypt, Israel and Saudi Arabia in accusing Assad's government of unjustly suppressing peaceful protests.

http://www.rferl.org/content/un_chie.../24304956.html

[KanadaHye]

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15 Facts about Libya prior to NATO invasion

1.There was no electricity bill in Libya; electricity was free for all its citizens

2. There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law

3. Home considered a human right in Libya –Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi's father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent

4. All newly weds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms –all for free

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance

8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 (N22) per litre

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree, Paid by the Gov.

[londontsi]

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I have no reason to doubt what you list is true.

Therefore one has to ask why are the Libyans killing each other all be it with outside help.

Clearly all that free education has not made them smart enough to decide killing your own kind is not smart.

I would also add, from what you list:

A man to become a man has to go through hardship in life to build his/her character and spirit.
From your listed items those “poor” bastards hardly been given a chance to build their character as people.

This reminds me of the Swedish society with its very high degree of social care (nanny state some would say) somehow end with one of the highest rate of suicides.

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[KanadaHye]

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I would guess that what we are told is happening and what is actually happening are two different things.

[Illuminator]

Whys is Armenia Stupidly Supporting al Qaeda genocidal terrorists?

I see Armenia has recognized the National Transitional Council, aka NATO terrorists in Libya, as its government instead of the legitimate government of Libya, the Jamahiriya People's Congresses who look to Muammar Gaddafi as their leader.

The NTC is the same govno as those who helped the azerbaboons, al Qaeda and they have been committing wholesale genocide along with NATO in Libya. Everyone they encounter that will not submit and support them they execute, mutiliate, rape, torture, behead, burn, they then go looting, stealing and burning.

Is it because stupid traitor Medvedev is giving orders to Armenia and kissing U.S. backside?

[Haykakan]

Re: Whys is Armenia Stupidly Supporting al Qaeda genocidal terrorists?

USA more then likely paid off our authorities like it doeas with everyone else..