Abortion

[SagGal]

Abortion ~

I don't know if this topic has been discussed here but I sure haven't seen it, which surprises me because we've mentioned a lot of serious topics.

what do you all think about it? Is it a woman's right to choose or is it just plain murder, or what? I'm against it, but I wanna know what you all think.

[xBaron Dants]

Yes, we've had the topic before. I hate this topic. People start out on one side, and 10 pages later, are still on the same side.

Trying to convince someone to change their views on this is like trying to convince surfer that Bush isn't a holy man (heh, I miiiiiiiissed you surfer)

It is a controversial topic for some reason, but it bores me.

Way to boost you thread, eh SagGal? sorry..

[SagGal]

no sorries, its just that this topic was raised in class today and everyone got so into it. Besides, that's pretty much the point here, arguing different opinions.

[PASAMONSTER]

I'm against abortion if it is not to my cause, I'm for it if its beneficial to me LOL

[ckBejug]

Originally posted by Baron Dants Yes, we've had the topic before. I hate this topic. People start out on one side, and 10 pages later, are still on the same side.

Trying to convince someone to change their views on this is like trying to convince surfer that Bush isn't a holy man (heh, I miiiiiiiissed you surfer)

It is a controversial topic for some reason, but it bores me.

Way to boost you thread, eh SagGal? sorry..

Baron, I think the problem is in trying to 'convince someone to change their views'. Seems like if their views were so easy to change they wouldn't be very stong and argue-worthy in the first place. When we try to have serious topic arguments around here most of the time it seems what we're doing is: try to change what others think if they disagree with you and get them to adopt your personal convictions as the 'right' way to go. As you can see, that never happens, here or anywhere. We're all too bull-headed and stubborn to give in so easily. The way to get someone to see things your way is not to say what you think and immediately get them to see it your way, that's not going to happen. You have to make someone understand your point of view and let them come to a decision themselves if that's the way to go or if they're going to stick to their guns and think they're right, even if they're not. Anyway things like abortion wouldn't be so controversial if there was a clear-cut 'right' or 'wrong'.

What do I think about abortion? I would personally NEVER have one. But, do I think it should be illegal? No. It should be a womans right to choose. Even though some women do abuse this right, it's still their choice. There are too many things that can happen that would have to be exceptions to a no abortion law, if ever one existed. Like what if a woman was raped? What if you know FOR SURE through scientific testing that your child would be born with a debilitating disease that would make him/her sick from the minute he/she was born? there are too many what-ifs and I don't think it should be up to some committee to decide when it's ok to have an abortion. That should be between a woman, herself, and the man in her life if he chooses to be in on it. I can say that except in cases like rape and disease, I am against the idea of abortion but that would be hypocritical of me because I do stem cell research at work and sme people out there think that's pretty much the same thing as abortion. So, I just say let the choice be available, no laws against it, because desperate women find ways to get it done with or without help and without help they end up hurting themselves terribly and there doesn't need to be any more suffering out there....

[violette829]

Perfect..that's exactly what I would say!

[surferarmo]

CKbejug, you put it perfectly. Our leftist oops...I mean...uh...Canadian friend believes that everyone must be indoctrinated with the beliefs that he has subscribed himself or herself (you never know, its Canada) to. (Baron, I am not trying to say that Bush is the BEST IN THE WORLD or anything like that, just that he can get the job done and should BE RE-ELECTED).

Arguing is not about convincing, its about presenation.

Anyway, this is a serious topic for me, and you all better believe I will get into this later on tonight. There are so many manipulations of language in this arguement and so many euphimisms at play. In fact, most people argue for or against the use of abortion in fallacious terms; they often use the same word with different meanings throughout the arguement. I cant wait to get into this. Ready yourselves.

Before I get on this later tonight, you should try to define a person biologically, and then you should define a person politically (based on the country in which you reside).

I love you Baron. (Why did I say that?) (And why I am using so many parenthesis)

[loseyourname]

I oppose abortion simply because no accepted definition of person exists, political or otherwise. If it is not known when personhood is acquired, then it is not known at what point the annihilation of an embryo becomes legally defined as murder. Completely avoiding the morality of the issue, because it is impossibly vague, the simple fact that the act may or may not be murder on a purely legal basis should be enough to outlaw it. Given that lawmakers and judges seem to have completely ignored this tells me that issue has become almost entirely political to those who have made it a legally protected act, and that they are not taking it as seriously as they should be doing.

[whitelotus]

i personally think that some politician in a suit sitting in his office in some capital shouldnt make the decision for millions of men and woman alone. A man and woman have the right to choose what they wish to do.

for example:
if a woman was raped and is pregnant from that rape. Why should the government force her to keep the child? All she is going to do is raise that child with absolute hate. That child will suffer in the world, because of something that wasnt there fault. Why should we raise children and born them, when they are borned from hate, violence and rape. The child doesnt deserve it.

If you are pregnant, and you go to the hospital, The doctor tells you , your child will have serious complications, deformations, diseases. Will you want to born them, so they can have a painful life being mocked, being in pain, not being able to enjoy the simple things in life, just because its illegal to have an abortion ? I personally wouldnt want my child to suffer everyday. Its being selfish. If i was poor, if i was a bad mother. I would never want to born a child, they will suffer all there lives from these complications that i borned them into.

people should have the right to choose , not some chum in an office.

[loseyourname]

Chums in office have been given the right to outlaw murder and I don't hear anyone complaining. So until you can show or even attempt to argue conclusively that abortion is not murder do you even begin to have a case. This isn't about politics. This is about one person's rights infringing on what may be the rights of another person, in fact, completely taking away all of them. That is unacceptable.