Re: Economics
I'm not trying to start a long discussion here, because this isn't the thread for it, but try to become a little more informed before making broad uniformed statements. I'm not a big supporter of Russia, just a realist, and a lot of what you just said is nonsense.
Armenia pays $189 for gas at the border, and the consumer pays about $391 at home/business. Here's the consumer prices paid across Europe.
Note the prices are in Euro, not Dollar. As you can see, even the lowest prices at 562 Euros, or about $600, is well above what Armenians pay. So stop this nonsense about cheap gas from Iran. Gas doesn't get any cheaper anywhere in the world than what we pay for from Russia. The Azeris sell it for much more than this to the Turks. I can't imagine there is much of a profit margin for Russia. Because a market of 3 million isn't worth the profit margin. Yes in fact Russia forced Armenia into preventing the export of Iranian gas through Armenia, but that's a different story than forcing Armenia to pay more for gas. Russia isn't stupid to try to make enemies for profit in a tiny relatively poor country.
the ENA was sold to Samvel Karapetyan, the Russian Armenian billionaire, about six weeks ago. Not that this was the benevolence of Russia. This was the work of the ElectricYerevan movement. But Russia wasn't forcing the Armenian government to stand idly by while this company was run into the ground, being administrated by local Armenians.
and borrowing from people who are determined to make you indentured? lol that's pretty much the entire point of the existence of the IMF. the Armenian government has had to borrow from multiple institutions to keep the country afloat during the regional economic crisis. Fortunately, the debt is still within a reasonable and manageable limit.
I'm not a fan of Russia, its short sighted policies, its malfunctioning government, and its economy that is a dying carcass. But Armenia's military budget is one eighth of Azerbaijans and we have the same army as them thanks to the Russian military assistance. Regardless of the foolish shortsighted decision of multiple the Armenian administrations of having sold major infrastructure assets to Russian state owed companies, Armenia would have been dependent on Russia for its survival while the Azeri oil is flowing.
But meanwhile, Armenia has gotten its fair share of benefits from the alliance with Russia.
Also a side note, that I think i should discuss. About two weeks ago I was in Gyumri and I asked a friend who lives there about their opinion on the military base and the shooting that occurred there last year. He said well, first of all I think we tend to understand to not judge an entire people based on the action of one insane person. That one eighteen year old kid shouldn't determine our feelings towards an entire people. But he said, regardless of how we feel, the entire economy of this city is based on that base. He said even though its only a few thousand soldiers, they get paid a respectable Russian income, and they spend their money here, and they account for a big percentage of the economic activity of this city. He was like half these stores would close the day that base closed, so even if we hated them we would tolerate them. Not for national security, but for our economic well being.
That was a very interesting point that I had never considered. The economic impact of that military base.
Originally posted by HyeSocialist
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Armenia pays $189 for gas at the border, and the consumer pays about $391 at home/business. Here's the consumer prices paid across Europe.
Note the prices are in Euro, not Dollar. As you can see, even the lowest prices at 562 Euros, or about $600, is well above what Armenians pay. So stop this nonsense about cheap gas from Iran. Gas doesn't get any cheaper anywhere in the world than what we pay for from Russia. The Azeris sell it for much more than this to the Turks. I can't imagine there is much of a profit margin for Russia. Because a market of 3 million isn't worth the profit margin. Yes in fact Russia forced Armenia into preventing the export of Iranian gas through Armenia, but that's a different story than forcing Armenia to pay more for gas. Russia isn't stupid to try to make enemies for profit in a tiny relatively poor country.
the ENA was sold to Samvel Karapetyan, the Russian Armenian billionaire, about six weeks ago. Not that this was the benevolence of Russia. This was the work of the ElectricYerevan movement. But Russia wasn't forcing the Armenian government to stand idly by while this company was run into the ground, being administrated by local Armenians.
and borrowing from people who are determined to make you indentured? lol that's pretty much the entire point of the existence of the IMF. the Armenian government has had to borrow from multiple institutions to keep the country afloat during the regional economic crisis. Fortunately, the debt is still within a reasonable and manageable limit.
I'm not a fan of Russia, its short sighted policies, its malfunctioning government, and its economy that is a dying carcass. But Armenia's military budget is one eighth of Azerbaijans and we have the same army as them thanks to the Russian military assistance. Regardless of the foolish shortsighted decision of multiple the Armenian administrations of having sold major infrastructure assets to Russian state owed companies, Armenia would have been dependent on Russia for its survival while the Azeri oil is flowing.
But meanwhile, Armenia has gotten its fair share of benefits from the alliance with Russia.
Also a side note, that I think i should discuss. About two weeks ago I was in Gyumri and I asked a friend who lives there about their opinion on the military base and the shooting that occurred there last year. He said well, first of all I think we tend to understand to not judge an entire people based on the action of one insane person. That one eighteen year old kid shouldn't determine our feelings towards an entire people. But he said, regardless of how we feel, the entire economy of this city is based on that base. He said even though its only a few thousand soldiers, they get paid a respectable Russian income, and they spend their money here, and they account for a big percentage of the economic activity of this city. He was like half these stores would close the day that base closed, so even if we hated them we would tolerate them. Not for national security, but for our economic well being.
That was a very interesting point that I had never considered. The economic impact of that military base.
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