Question

[Dan]

Hey mouse, thanks for sharing. sad, eh?

hey spiral, don't misunderstand me, dude. just that when you said the "positive outcomes" of Nazism, it just gave me the impression that you considered Nazism to be hideous and wrong. and besides, i was making a general observation. so no need to get all angry, etc.

[spiral]

Originally posted by Dan Why? Was Nazism bad? And in what way was it bad? And who says it is/was bad? Those who won the war, by any chance?

where exactly did I mention that Nazism was good or bad?

I asked for the books, because I have a paper to write, and I need some books, which take a more objective/positive outlook on the issue.

I couldn't find any. I searched the net, I didn't find any info. So I though I'd ask the forum.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Dan Why? Was Nazism bad? And in what way was it bad? And who says it is/was bad? Those who won the war, by any chance?

Boy you should have seen me when I was at Border's when I bought Mein Kampf. As I approached the Customer Service desk to ask if they have a copy of Mein Kampf, I felt a little apprehension, a little excitement. I felt my body growing heavy and burdened. It was comical. I felt an exhausting load accumulating on my shoulders. It's amazing how cultural conditioning can make us think a certain way. Since birth from every orifice of communication I have been taught that "Hitler is bad" simply because he is bad and he killed lots of Communists and Jews. It is on those grounds we are taught to always hate him and never have an honest inquiry on the guy.

Many people have killed other people, why do we act as if its okay to learn about them? Napolean killed lots of people, so did Stalin, so did Mao Tse Tung, but you could easily hold them in positive light in the class room, but not Hitler. Why was this? I always wanted to know and perhaps it was the curiosity in me that led to me to read up on the man, and on the Jews as well, yes I'd be accused of Jewphobia by the average lemming. Curiosity killed the cat, but not the mouse.

Well as I approached the desk, there was a punk rocker type chick in her mid 20s at the reference desk, whom you could see is "alternative" and all about "not hating" and "xxxx corporatism" and all these lofty ideals these stupid "rebels" and "counter culture" people hold on to. As I approach her to ask for Mein Kampf, I feel the shame rise up inside me ( why should we feel this feeling if we want to learn about something or someone, why are we conditioned in this manner? ). When I ask for the book the butch appears to avert her eyes as she tells me where to go. It’s as if she recognizes the shameful act that I am about to perform but does not want me to see it in her eyes, that she understands that I want to read a book that no person with decent sensibilities would want to read.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that.

[Dan]

Does anyone know of any books that outline the positive outcomes of- Hilter and Nazism?

Why? Was Nazism bad? And in what way was it bad? And who says it is/was bad? Those who won the war, by any chance?

[Anonymouse]

It has been a thrilling pastime for those who want to equate the rise of National Socialism to a few pimply faced teenagers. By pinning National Socialism with the atrocities and war, it ensures to stifle and positive and or open discussion of National Socialism. It is a skillfull art of those who control the past, by controlling the present, to deter any and all honest inquiries into the realm of history with regard to Hitler. And all too often when we hear his name we think of "Holocaust" and "Hater" and "madman", but never the real man.

As someone who has read Mein Kampf, and has taken to a more revisionist approach to history ( if it is the truth it can't be revisionist ), I'll be the first to tell you that there are many myths about Hitler and National Socialism in general, not that I am a supporter, but I believe in historical accuracy, and if Marx, Communism/Marxism and Democracy can get their fair share of attention, why not National Socialism and Hitler?

Thousands of books written on the guy, and not one dare approach it honestly. Hitler, and his views for as long as after WW2, has been demonized in books, films, documentaries, schools, etc. I would offer you a book on Hitler, but I find it no justice and perhaps the best book to read is Hitler's own book, Mein Kampf.

Many have dismissed Hitler's intellectual outlook as simplistic and crude or even crazy, nto because they have studied, but because that is popular. Most mainstream historians, for fear of being blackballed or labeled with the tarbrush of "anti-Semitism" will give up on intellectual and historical honesty and integrity, to save themselves the trouble of being accused as hate mongers, ala David Irving who was in a trial with the Jewish historian Deborah Lipstadt for slander in her book towards Irving regarding his views on questioning the Holocaust, of course he was accused of being a "Denier".

But when one reads into Hitler, one sees a genuine intellectual on a par with Karl Marx, Freud, etc. He's sort of a synthesis of Spengler and Napoleon, and of all the world conquerors he had probably been the most 'philosophical'. Hitler's outlook was very much a part of the Western intellectual tradition. In his combination of an almost religious faith with a revolutionary secularism he represented the continuation of an essentially "enlightenment" style of thought. Nazism, and especially Hitler's exposition of it, represented an attenuated and popularized form of the Enlightenment style of thought, in my opinion, one based on the natural inequalities and imperfections of nature.

[loseyourname]

Re: Question

Originally posted by spiral Does anyone know of any books that outline the positive outcomes of- Hilter and Nazism?

The partitioning of Germany led to the Cold War, which resulted in the downfall of the Soviet Union, which, in addition to other things, resulted in the formation of an independent Armenia. It's stretching, but hey . . .

[loseyourname]

Re: Re: Question

Originally posted by jilbagh damn guy didn't finish the job

i hate having wall street controlled by them

I'm sure having the entire world under the control of the Nazi party would be far better, right?

[Dimava]

look at these 2:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Positive+effects+of+NSDAP&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Positive+effects+of+nazism

[jilbagh]

Re: Question

Originally posted by spiral Does anyone know of any books that outline the positive outcomes of- Hilter and Nazism?


If so, Please give me the titles and authors.

thanks.

damn guy didn't finish the job

i hate having wall street controlled by them

[PASAMONSTER]

good luck girl!