Historicity of the Jewish Holocaust

[Darorinag]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Moderators, maybe this belongs in the Jokes & Humor.

After the ridiculous arguments Mr. Fadi has presented, I am afraid I must concur with Anonymouse.

[Darorinag]

is it rational to think that the NAZI did nothing with the Jews that were under their hands(those in the camps) when they had 4 special unites sent elsewhere to shoot them in mass.

Rational or irrational is irrelevant. Provable or not IS relevant.

The alleged mass graves in concentration camps do not exist. No one has been able to point to any such mass grave, neither the "confessors" nor the "eyewitnesses."

So using your "logical proof" argument, Fadi, it would be safe to assume that since the Nazis had been so good at this that not a trace of mass graves was left in the camps, they would've also destroyed any other evidence (files, etc.) that would prove that they had exterminated Jews. Right? Or maybe not..........

The problem with the Shoah is that it was regarded as a tragedy of mystical proportion, in the cases of the Armenian genocide, the denial was so intense that right now only good quality evidences which could not be disputed are left.

Finally, you are making some sense here. The "disputed" evidence do not count as "evidence" and should not. And it is exactly this that revisionists aim to uncover - the disputed "evidence" that was presented, the details of which the court didn't investigate thoroughly, and issued its verdict. In many cases, cross-examinations of eyewitnesses were not allowed for the defense team. As I mentioned before, German forensic scientists were not allowed to go to Auschwitz to conduct forensic experiments for the defense team, while the prosecutors could. At any rate, I think it is fairly obvious that the procedures of the Nuremberg Trials were unfair and cannot be established to be the absolute authority on deciding what indeed happened and didn't.

In the cases of the Shoah, since no one was permited to dispute what happened, the Shoah has been viewed like an indisuptable event paralleled with no other evidents... this is changing now.

This coming from Fadix? Who would've thought???!

"Not permitted to dispute." Hmm, I wonder why...

[Sip]

Originally posted by Darorinag What IPs did you compare? How did you have two IPs from me? And how do you know my IP?

Finding out the IP address of anyone on a forum is trivial.

Originally posted by Darorinag How would I have an IP address from Liverpool?

Using a proxy server.

[Fadix]

Originally posted by Seapahn Finding out the IP address of anyone on a forum is trivial.

Using a proxy server.

I guess anything this guy say regarding him telling the truth is as much true as him claiming to not be Den.

He has been warned, the guy want to play this game, let it play like I play in Turkish boards, I hope he wont cry after...

Dan, wait some days and you will have a surprise.

[Darorinag]

Finding out the IP address of anyone on a forum is trivial.

Yes, I am aware of that. I was referring to how you are "sure" that I am den.

Using a proxy server.

Exactly. And how many people can use the proxy server?

He has been warned, the guy want to play this game, let it play like I play in Turkish boards, I hope he want cry after...

Warned? Cry? No thanks. I'm not like you, crying for getting banned from the Turkish forum. I actually am not surprised. And I know you're gonna say you were banned from there because they were trying to censor you, but try the same on any forum that does not accept such intimidations in discussions/debates, and you will see what I mean. I am surprised you are not warned on here, yet. After all, isn't this the same sorta thing that got me suspended? Heh.. anyway, this is getting more and more off-topic. I will be waiting for your reply. Take your time. Read up the material. Just make sure you don't come up with erroneus statements such as in the case of Operation Barbarrossa.

Dan, wait some days and you will have a surprise.

All the better. More fallacies to expose. More lies to show to the world.

And Fadi, and this in all seriousness, please refrain from making any personal attacks, whether by labelling or by referring to personal circumstances, etc. It is very undesirable and offensive.

[Fadix]

"Just make sure you don't come up with erroneus statements such as in the case of Operation Barbarrossa."

Jerk, I have posts dating 2001 and even probably 2000 proving that my mistake regarding Operation Barbarrossa was really just that a mistake for not having reread what I wrote. The same can not be said about your farts like having read Hilberg which you present no evidence at all... in my future replies I will just requote my posts dating back years before that shows exactlly that I perfectlly knew of what I was talking about...

Jerk, have you any evidences that I was banned from the Turkish forum because I was attacking others? Prove it Jerk, even in Turkish forums beside moderators I have not faced a pathological liar like you, when the rest of the people knows that you lie but you still keep lying.

Jerk, you have used the same IP address tracing to Liverpool, there is no Armenian at Master compleating degree at that university in Philosophy... you have logged at Den and your forum nearly at the same times, your profile philosophy forum link is the place where Den took his philosophy materials, Jerk and you even logged with the two different loggins in close interval at xxxxxxxx by using the Liverpool IP, that can be confirmed by the Admin and the mods...

If you want to have your nose on the sand Dan, ask more about it to Seapahn(about the IP), if you want the evidences posted here Jerk

But you can lie and lie and lie like you keep lying here on this board Dan, keep lying and lying and lying, but beside you everyone sees clear how you are a bonehead with your lies, you keep a lie and have no honesty to admit your lies.

"All the better. More fallacies to expose. More lies to show to the world.

And Fadi, and this in all seriousness, please refrain from making any personal attacks, whether by labelling or by referring to personal circumstances, etc. It is very undesirable and offensive."

Jerk, with the quantity of lies you bring here, you are the last person to use the word lies... I told you, it is easy for me to stop attacking you, I told you what to do.

STOP lying and I will stop calling you what you worth being called.

[Darorinag]

Jerk, I have posts dating 2001 and even probably 2000 proving that my mistake regarding Operation Barbarrossa was really just that a mistake for not having reread what I wrote. The same can not be said about your farts like having read Hilberg which you present no evidence at all... in my future replies I will just requote my posts dating back years before that shows exactlly that I perfectlly knew of what I was talking about...

Oh, so you have to re-read what you have written in order to remember? Great knowledge. If you keep forgetting the basics, then, well, no comments........... btw, don't feel obliged to prove anything about your knowledge to me. Post relevant stuff. I am not here to test your knowledge. I am here to debate the historicity of the holocaust. Contrary to what you think, this is not a competition, and I am not looking at this in that light. There is no "I won" and "you lost" in this. Once this thread has reached its capacity, we will go separate ways and go on believing in whatever it is we believe. And don't tell me because I am stubbornly blind. I am not. I have been known to change my mind about numerous things. Why this animosity and hatred, Fadi?? Can't you just address the issue without attacking and calling me a jerk? It doesn't help your arguments anyway. So why use them. I'm being frank here, but if you want to criticize me and start your sentence in reply to this with "jerk", then feel free to do so....

Jerk, have you any evidences that I was banned from the Turkish forum because I was attacking others?

I never said you were banned because of it per se, did I? Read my words carefully.

even in Turkish forums beside moderators I have not faced a pathological liar like you, when the rest of the people knows that you lie but you still keep lying.

One more mention of this pathological liar issue and I will put you on ignore, despite the fact that it will be such a big loss (and note that I took you off ignore once, I won't take you off ignore the second time). And this is not a warning. I am just letting you know, so that you wouldn't go on talking to yourself.

Jerk, you have used the same IP address tracing to Liverpool, there is no Armenian at Master compleating degree at that university in Philosophy...

I am not interested in that. You can sort it out with him. This thread is about the historicity of the holocaust. If you want to talk about the IP issue, PM me on my own forum or sign up there and post a message about it. Stop bringing trash from the other forum to this forum.

you have logged at Den and your forum nearly at the same times, your profile philosophy forum link is the place where Den took his philosophy materials

My IP has actually been banned from the Philosophy forum for some reason (and I have many theories about the people behind it).

Jerk and you even logged with the two different loggins in close interval at xxxxxxxx by using the Liverpool IP, that can be confirmed by the Admin and the mods...

Again, take the trash out of this forum. Discuss it on your own forum, or on mine. You're more than welcome to do that on my forum. This forum does not allow spilling other forum's problems in here.

If you want to have your nose on the sand Dan, ask more about it to Seapahn(about the IP), if you want the evidences posted here Jerk

I do not need to ask for any evidence. I know what I know. And you can go on believing what you want. I am not interested in talking about this. If I had wanted to go to your forum and post there, i would not have attached a personality to myself and I would have chosen a U.S. proxy instead of a British one. Anyway, that is irrelevant. Get the f*ck back on topic. Your evasion tactics are not working.

But you can lie and lie and lie like you keep lying here on this board Dan, keep lying and lying and lying, but beside you everyone sees clear how you are a bonehead with your lies, you keep a lie and have no honesty to admit your lies.

I am not lying. You are aware that you are almost imitating a Hoess confession, right? Nice try, but I am not admitting anything I didn't do. You are uber paranoid, that's what you are. I am not den. I have no reason to be den. I have no reason to deny being den if I were him. I have admitted many things in the past. So stop this harassment.

Jerk, with the quantity of lies you bring here, you are the last person to use the word lies... I told you, it is easy for me to stop attacking you, I told you what to do.

This is preposterous. This is a fine case of an attempt at character defamation. You exterminationist bunch are quite experienced at it, it seems.

STOP lying and I will stop calling you what you worth being called.

No, more like - stop your personal attacks, and I will not ignore you. Do not bother posting a reply if you are going to attack me, because at the first mention of an offensive label, I will be closing the window and adding you to my ignore list. You did the same thing, and didn't stop until I ignored you. So take a deep breath, and stop these personal attacks. Now get back on topic and post what you wanted to post.

[Fadix]

Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan...


Dear reader, see how Dan works.

Den
Dan

Usuing the same proxy from Liverpool

Den claim regarding his University is a pure invention.

Materials that Den posted regarding philosophy came from a link comming from Dan profile..

I can go on and on and on Dan... like the fact that you have logged waiting few seconds on your board and Den in xxxxxxxx... logged nearly exactly at the same time...

Danny, this is a question of trust, how can we expect to have a discussion, and me expect that when an argument will be brought which you could not refute you will accept it, when you don't even recognise what is so obvious?

Danny, stop lying, just be honest with yourself... you'll see admitting you have lied is not so difficult.


Jerk, I am not telling that I have to reread to remember those things, I was on pain killers when I wrote that.

I have to leave now... you know internet is not my life.

[Darorinag]

Danny, this is a question of trust, how can we expect to have a discussion, and me expect that when an argument will be brought which you could not refute you will accept it, when you don't even recognise what is so obvious?

That is irrelevant. You are trying to evade the discussion by finding excuses for it. Now "be a man" and take the challenge and stop these games. This has no place in this thread. I have already accepted certain views with regards to other issues, including the ever famous one, communism. Now quit the excuses. Or let me know if you won't, and I will put you on ignore. Nothing better than putting a pest on ignore.

[Sip]

Originally posted by Darorinag Yes, I am aware of that. I was referring to how you are "sure" that I am den.

As anonymouse will tell you, nothing is ever sure. But I don't know too many people that would use an anonymizing proxy in liverpool when they claim to be from university of liverpool, join and start posting right when dan gets banned, have about the same number of posts per day during the same times of day, post with roughly the same distribution accross all threads, and allude to content strangely similar to Dan.

Come on Dan ... people are not as stupid as you wish they would be in your imaginary world. All this to draw attention and sympathy? Well guess what! You have all this attention now!!! Everyone is looking at you. Is this the kind of attention you really want?