Evolution discussion from Time magazine

[Stark Evade]

Notice how uncomfortable they get when exposed to opposition.

Discomfort? Huh. Must have missed it.

[Siamanto]

This is a belief

Something tells me you're not too bright.

This is not a belief *points to the posts i.e. facts above*

Notice how uncomfortable they get when exposed to opposition.

This is an observation:
Average minded "scientists" believe that the ultimate foundation of a scientific theory is not a belief!

[Stark Evade]

This is a belief




This is not a belief *points to the posts i.e. facts above*




PS. Only, average minded "scientists" believe that scientific theories are not founded on beliefs!

I'm sure I know much more about scientific process than you. Stick to weaving baskets or something.

[Siamanto]

This is an erroneous belief:

I'm sure I know much more about scientific process than you. Stick to weaving baskets or something.

[Stark Evade]

This is an erroneous belief:

Something tells me your a novice basket-weaver.

[winoman]

More Evolution debate...

Will Pennsylvania be the next laughing stock state? (lets hope that rational and educated parents can prevail!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092600817.html

Well more and more the science of Evolution is being proven...(and ID does not even come close to being science BTW)...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501177.html

New Analyses Bolster Central Tenets of Evolution Theory
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If Darwin was right, for example, then scientists should be able to perform a neat trick. Using a mathematical formula that emerges from evolutionary theory, they should be able to predict the number of harmful mutations in chimpanzee DNA by knowing the number of mutations in a different species' DNA and the two animals' population sizes.

"That's a very specific prediction," said Eric Lander, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard in Cambridge, Mass., and a leader in the chimp project.

Sure enough, when Lander and his colleagues tallied the harmful mutations in the chimp genome, the number fit perfectly into the range that evolutionary theory had predicted.


Their analysis was just the latest of many in such disparate fields as genetics, biochemistry, geology and paleontology that in recent years have added new credence to the central tenet of evolutionary theory: That a smidgeon of cells 3.5 billion years ago could -- through mechanisms no more extraordinary than random mutation and natural selection -- give rise to the astonishing tapestry of biological diversity that today thrives on Earth.

Evolution's repeated power to predict the unexpected goes a long way toward explaining why so many scientists and others are practically apoplectic over the recent decision by a Pennsylvania school board to treat evolution as an unproven hypothesis, on par with "alternative" explanations such as Intelligent Design (ID), the proposition that life as we know it could not have arisen without the helping hand of some mysterious intelligent force.
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By contrast, said Alan Leshner, chief executive of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Intelligent Design offers nothing in the way of testable predictions.

"Just because they call it a theory doesn't make it a scientific theory," Leshner said. "The concept of an intelligent designer is not a scientifically testable assertion."

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In fact, one of the more exciting developments in biology in the past 25 years has been how much DNA alone can teach about the evolutionary history of life on Earth. (my note -check the article for some specific examples...)

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As scientists have identified the totality of DNA -- the genomes -- of many species, they have unearthed the molecular equivalent of the fossil record.

It is now clear from fossil and molecular evidence that certain patterns of growth in multicellular organisms appeared about 600 million years ago. Those patterns proved so useful that versions of the genes governing them are carried by nearly every species that has arisen since.

These several hundred "tool kit genes," in the words of University of Wisconsin biologist Sean B. Carroll, are molecular evidence of natural selection's ability to hold on to very useful functions that arise.

Research on how and when tool kit genes are turned on and off also has helped explain how evolutionary changes in DNA gave rise to Earth's vast diversity of species. Studies indicate that the determination of an organism's form during embryonic development is largely the result of a small number of genes that are turned on in varying combinations and order. Gene regulation is where the action is.

Consequently, mutations in regulatory portions of a DNA strand can have effects just as dramatic as those prompted by mutations in genes themselves. They can, for example, cancel the development of an appendage -- or add an appendage where one never existed. This discovery refuted assertions by Intelligent Design advocates that gene mutation and natural selection can, at most, explain the fine-tuning of species.

"The mechanisms that make the small differences between species are the same ones that make the big differences between kingdoms," said Carroll, author of a book, "Endless Forms Most Beautiful," that describes many of these new insights.

Although the central tenets of evolution have done nothing but grow stronger with every experimental challenge, the story is still evolving, Carroll and other scientists acknowledge. Some details are sure to be refined over time. The question to be answered in Harrisburg is whether Intelligent Design has anything scientific to add for now, or whether it belongs instead in philosophy class.

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[Armenian]

More and more - the religion of evolution is being is disproven by scientific fact and human logic. Today, as it stands, only *primitive* idiots believe in the *theory* of evolution.

Some drunks may want to believe that their forefather was an ape, in some cases that may be true, nonetheless, I know that my God is a spiritual being within our universe.

Since there are some ignorant little children running around playing scientist around here, I was to post this cartoon:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

[winoman]

Well, the person promoting Time Magazine here is not an Armenian - he/she is a J-E-W who loves Turks and thinks his/her father was an ape

No I think you are an ape - or something not quite but a bit less then one.

[Stark Evade]

There's no point in discussing this. There is no cure for stupidity and, therefore, the pious will always be so and will always deny what is logical and proper. Religion is outdated nonsense that people will hang on to for the purposes of mental masturbation as long as they can, regardless of how truly pathetic it is. They are choosing to give themselves the gift of feeling as though they have the answer to every question though it may seem stupid to those who understand through what eyes the world should be viewed. Let it go.

[Red Brigade]

Since there are some ignorant little children running around playing scientist around here, I was to post this cartoon:

What an irony that you just posted a cartoon which was created by the zionist organization of the Christian Evangelists.