War in The Middle East

[Armenian]

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God Bless this Orthodox J'ew for stating the truth about Zionism and how it is forbidden by the Torah and how it was never accepted by J'ews until recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h58N8q0OQBw

He is a member of the ultra Orthodox Neturei Karta organization. Not a big organization but a quite vociferous group of Jews.

This is their website: http://nkusa.org/

Theologically speaking, what he stated is true. Zionism is a 'nationalist' movement created by atheistic Jews of Ashkenazi decent (European Jews). Zionism, as well as the Zionist state, is against Judaic teachings. According to their scriptures, the state of Israel would be created only after the appearance of their "Messiah."

In the present case, Adolph Hitler in a sense can be considered the Messiah of Jews because its was primarily because of him that we have a Jewish state today.

In realty, Hitler was the best thing that happened to the Zionist movement; just like how 9/11 was the best thing that happened for this nation's Neocon movement.

I forget which important Zionist figure it was that more-or-less said - "one Jewish cow in the Zionist state is worth more the lives of the entire Jewish population of Europe."

Before Hitler showed up Zionism was dead in the water. Not a single sound minded Jew would even 'think' about leaving Europe for the barren dust hills of the so-called Holy Land.

And the most important message was the part about how Christians, Muslims and Jews lived harmoniously before the creation of the Zionist state by western powers.

Our crusading moderator, Anon, would do well to watch this as well.

[hipeter924]

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There is evidence to suggest the Zionists in fact worked with the Nazi's to bring xxxs to the gas chambers and concentration camps, in exchange for getting a few xxxs out of Europe and to Palestine.

[SoyElTurco]

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http://www.infowars.com/?p=7153

[hipeter924]

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I think the ultimate irony of the Nazi Holocaust was that Hitler set out to wipe out the xxxs, and as a result he set in motion a new world order. A western world controlled and manipulated by Israeli's. No one will speak out except a few left-wing liberals. The irony was that the whole purpose of his genocide was to stop this happening.

Everyone in the west is blinded by the holocaust. Israel tries to promote blind sympathy and acceptance of Israel. In this way they can get people to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by the Israeli state in the Middle East.

[Armenian]

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I think the ultimate irony of the Nazi Holocaust was that Hitler set out to wipe out the xxxs, and as a result he set in motion a new world order. A western world controlled and manipulated by Israeli's.

You just about summed up the entire essence of the Second World War... However, realize that there were elements of the New World Order, or Globalism, in place within the West even before the Second World War. The creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 here in the United States is a glaring example of it. Forces behind the First World War was another. As a result of Germany's defeat in the Second World War, however, these Globalist forces basically rose to the top of the world, where they remain fully entrenched today. In my opinion, had the Germans won the epic struggle against these people, the developed world today would have been a much safer place to live, not to mention better organized, well mannered, efficient, punctual, neat...

Everyone in the west is blinded by the holocaust. Israel tries to promote blind sympathy and acceptance of Israel. In this way they can get people to ignore the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by the Israeli state in the Middle East.

The fundamental problem was that Hitler could not get his hands on the Jewish establishment, their financial elite. The representatives of international Jewry operated primarily within Britain and the US (where they remain fully entrenched to this day), away from the reach of the Nazis. As a result, their wrath was unleashed upon the average Shlomo in the German occupied territories of Europe.

The global financial/political establishment feared Germany because it was not operating under its control. So, they decided that they would temporarily side with the Bolsheviks, whom they saw as backward and not as threatening, until Germany was defeated.

Ironically, since Putin's rise to power, the Russian Federation today is gradually beginning to takeover the reigns of nationalism. After all, the Russian Empire and post-Soviet Russia were also a victims of these globalists.

[Palavra]

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trying to justifying hitler with something happened at 2009. Hilarious. I am sure people like you find enough justification until 2200. Hehe

[Armenian]

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Aren't we always reminded via books, television, films and news media that the Nazis told their troops not to show the enemy any mercy? So-called Holocaust survivors are now engaging in Nazi like terror, and they have been doing it for decades? However, could it be that the Nazi like aggression shown by the Zionist State today was always there amongst Jewry, which may have given rise to the Nazis in the first place? I'm almost afraid to ask, could the Nazis have been right about these people, at least right about their nation's representatives? Could it be that since they were on the winning side of the war history has been twisted and warped by them beyond recognition?

Armenian

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Military Rabbi Urged Troops to Show No Mercy in Gaza

Rights Group Complains After Troops Told That Gaza's Civilian Population Was Not Innocent

Israeli human rights group Yesh Din is calling for the ouster of the military’s top rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki over his messages to soldiers during the 22-day military offensive in the Gaza Strip. The primary concern was a booklet which, among other things, contained a rabbinical edict against showing mercy. The booklet contains quotes from a nationalist rabbi which declares that showing mercy during the battle would be “terribly immoral” and quotes a medieval sage who cautioned xxxs not to “be enticed by the folly of the Gentiles who have mercy for the cruel.” Yesh Din says the booklet could have been seen by soldiers as official encouragement to act in violation of international law… an important issue as the Israeli government scrambles to defend itself against accusations of massive war crimes during the war. Another pamphlet told troops that the civilian population of the Gaza Strip was not innocent, and urges them to “spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us.” Over 1,400 Palestinians were killing during the war, a large number of them civilians.

Source: http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/26/m...mercy-in-gaza/

[Federate]

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Finkelstein Outlines Israeli-Gaza Conflict



Norman Finkelstein, a controversial author and independent scholar, addressed Emory students, faculty, administrators and members of the Atlanta community with a lecture on the Israel-Gaza conflict yesterday. He outlined the events that took place in Gaza from Dec. 27 to Jan. 18, and shared what he believed were two reasons for what he termed a “massacre.”

Israel’s attempt to restore its deterrence capacity and Hamas’ increasingly moderate approach were what Finkelstein identified as the primary causes.

The lecture, held at Glenn Memorial Auditorium and monitored by security personnel, was the concluding event of Emory Advocates for Justice in Palestine’s (EAJP) Israeli Apartheid Week, which featured activities dedicated to portraying the lives of Palestinians in a conflict-ridden zone and comparing the situation to Apartheid-era South Africa and its policies of segregation.

Welcomed to the stage with a standing ovation and whistles from the audience, Finkelstein referred to key historical events, statistics and various media sources throughout the lecture to support his points. He cited the Six-Day War, which took place in June 1967, when Israel conquered and occupied the West Bank and Gaza.

Various attacks had caused Israel’s “deterrence capacity” to decrease and Israel wanted it to be felt again, Finkelstein said. According to him, “deterrence capacity” was the Israelis’ way of “reminding the Arabs who were in charge,” an attempt to “restore the Arab world’s fear of Israel.”

The second cause for the violence in Gaza, Finkelstein argued, was Hamas’ attempt to seek a diplomatic solution.

“Hamas were being too moderate, too reasonable. They wanted a diplomatic settlement to the conflict. To Israel, this is a recurring nightmare,” Finkelstein said.

The event began with an address by EAJP Coordinating Committee member Navyug Gill, who emphasized the international dimensions of Israeli Apartheid Week. He also provided a recap of EAJP’s week-long series of events at Emory, noting that this was Atlanta’s first-ever Israeli Apartheid Week.

Finkelstein said that, according to a chief military analyst, the absence of major clashes in Gaza made it something other than a war. Instead, Finkelstein argued, it was a massacre, “not for [the term’s] emotive or propagandistic value, or being prejudiced to the remarks by me this evening, but by simply because of the dictionary definition,” Finkelstein said.
He also pointed out that if Israel had wanted to avert the Hamas rocket attacks, it would not have ignored the ceasefire that triggered those attacks in the first place, and instead would have reached a diplomatic settlement with Palestine and Hamas.

Finkelstein recalled ratios of the Palestinian deaths to the number of Israelis killed during the conflict. He stated that between 1,300 and 1,400 Palestinians were killed, compared with 13 Israeli deaths. Furthermore, on the Palestinian side, between one-fourth and one-third of those killed were children.

Hamas won Palestinian elections in 2006, though this was not a primary factor in the conflict, according to Finkelstein. The elections, at which former President Jimmy Carter was present, were widely considered free and fair, he said.

Another event that took place that year was the 2006 Lebanon War, which Finkelstein also discussed at length to provide another suite of examples to support his views on Israel.

Referring to a study conducted by the Human Rights Watch about the 2006 Lebanon War, he stated that there was strong evidence that Hezbollah left civilian-populated areas as soon as the conflict erupted.

“Hezbollah never initiated attacks on Israeli civilians, until and unless Israel targeted Lebanese civilians,” Finkelstein reiterated.

In contrast, Finkelstein explained, Israel had been responsible for several instances of unjustified attacks on civilians. He classified this behavior as terrorism.

“According to the dictionary definition, if you target civilians and civil infrastructure, it is called terrorism. According to [American journalist, columnist and author] Thomas Friedman, it was called ‘education,’” he said.

Finkelstein said that, despite common belief that Israel would want a long-term truce with Hamas, Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni said in December 2008 that Israel did not want a long-term truce with Hamas.

“[Livni’s statement] proved that the view purported by most of the pro-Israeli groups on campus that Israel has been seeking peace for sixty years is clearly untrue based on the views of scholars, international law and human rights groups,” Shahmeer Halepota, College sophomore and EAJP Coordinating Committee member said.

Following an hour-long question-and-answer session during which he responded to members of the audience — some supportive, some not so — Finkelstein’s lecture concluded with another standing ovation and enthusiastic whistling from the audience.

“Everyone is welcome at the round table of victory. But just be fair, be reasonable. And if you are reasonable, if you are fair, there is room for everyone at the round table of victory,” Finkelstein said in closing.

College senior and EAJP Coordinating Committee member Nicholas Juliano helped to organize this week’s events, including Finkelstein’s lecture.

“I think EAJP has followed in the footsteps of many student organizations in our nation’s history that have succeeded in standing up against injustice and intolerance,” Juliano said.

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=26732

[Federate]

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Israeli Soldiers Allege Indiscriminate Killing in Gaza


Whenever concerns are expressed over civilian casualties inflicted in Israeli military operations, the country's generals and political leaders are quick to insist that theirs is the "world's most moral army." That claim was challenged by human rights observers over Israel's recent offensive in Gaza, although such criticism is reflexively dismissed by Israel as driven by pro-Palestinian bias. But when the allegations of abuses come from Israeli soldiers involved in the fighting, they can't be as easily dismissed.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak was forced to repeat the "world's most moral army" mantra on Thursday, this time to reassure his own countrymen shocked by allegations published in the Israeli media from six veterans of the Gaza operation. The six soldiers, whose identity is being kept confidential, made their claims in an address last month to cadets of the Yitzhak Rabin military academy, of which they are graduates. Among other claims, the soldiers alleged that an Israeli sniper had shot a woman and her two children who walked in the wrong direction after being ordered out of their home by Israeli troops. In a second incident, a sniper supposedly killed an unarmed elderly woman who posed no apparent threat to Israeli troops. And the soldiers ascribed these incidents to overly permissive rules of engagement. See pictures of Israel's Gaza offensive)

"I simply felt it was murder in cold blood, said the soldier who witnessed the scene, quoted in the daily Haaretz. He went on to explain sarcastically, "That's what is so nice, supposedly about Gaza. You see a person waking on a road� He doesn't have to be with a weapon, you don't have to identify him with anything and you can just shoot him. With us it was an old woman on whom I didn't see any weapon. The order was to take that woman out, the moment you see her."

After the anonymous soldiers' testimony was splashed across the media in Israel and abroad, the military police on Thursday said it would investigate the alleged killings. Their allegations renewed an ongoing debate between Israelis who defend the Gaza assault and those who say it failed to accomplish its goal of crippling Hamas, but stained Israel's reputation. On Friday, an Israeli Defense Forces spokesman dismissed claims of the gunning down of the mother and her two children as "heresay", but said that the account of the elderly woman's death was still being probed. But those were just two of the incidents alleged by the six soldiers.

Human rights investigators suggest that what the soldiers' allegations and eyewitness accounts from Gaza residents suggest is that, in an effort to maximize the safety of their own soldiers entering Gaza, Israeli commanders may have let their ethical standards slide. Retired general and former security chief Ami Ayalon concurs. The Gaza operation, says Ayalon, "compromised the I.D.F.'s ethos, which was once built on ethics, sacrifice. And today, after the Gaza offensive, it is based on force alone."

A soldier identified as Aviv from the Givati Brigade, one of Israel's elite combat units, reportedly described to the military cadets his inner conflict over obeying orders to use indiscriminate firepower while clearing out an eight-story apartment building. "We were supposed to � burst through the lower door, start shooting inside and then � I call this murder� in effect, we were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself: Where is the logic in this?"

Aviv explained that his commanders had blurred the boundaries between combatants and civilians: "From [the officers] above, they said it was permissible, because anyone who remained �inside Gaza City was, in effect, incriminated, a terrorist, because they hadn't fled," Aviv alleged. "On one hand, they really don't have anywhere to flee to, but on the other hand [the officers] are telling us they hadn't fled so it's their fault." Faced with having to slay the 40 families cowering in the building, he was able to persuade his superiors to let him warn the tenants, giving them five minutes to leave or "get killed."

In the Israeli military offensive, 1,434 Palestinians, including 960 civilians, were killed, according to the Palestinian Human Rights Center in Gaza. Three Israeli civilians were killed in the course of the same operation, and 10 soldiers, four of them by friendly fire. The lopsided death toll, and the fact that so many civilians were killed, has drawn fierce criticism of Israel's by human rights agencies in Israel and abroad. And the consequences could extend from the political to the legal realm.

U.N. human rights envoy Falk said that Israel's apparent failure to distinguish between military targets and civilians could "constitute a war crime of the greatest magnitude under international law." He also said that rocket fire by Palestinian militants that indiscriminately targeted Israeli towns could also constitute a war crime, and urged the establishment of an independent commission to investigate the actions of both sides during the recent conflict. With mounting pressure at home and abroad to account for the high Palestinian civilian death toll in Gaza, Israel's claim to have "the world's most moral army" is likely to be subjected to the test of evidence in the months ahead.

— With reporting by Aaron J. Klein/Tel Aviv

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1886856,00.html?xid=rss-fullworld-yahoo

[Eddo211]

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I personally believe that besides taking out the Pals elaborate tunnel systems and destroying Hamas’s infrastructures, this latest incursion was

1- Meant to send a serious message to Hamas and Arabs (who their hate for Israel by now has already reached its maximum level)……..that nobody is safe; in other words don’t mess with us.

or

2- Israeli government did not have a good sense of ending the operation immediately after the 48 hr Arial bombing.
The weeks of indecisive, aimless fighting that caused the high civilian casulties did not dislodge Hamas or at least end the weapon smuggling. None of these objectives was reached, and the operation was unsuccessful. Hamas survived Israeli war against it and resumed its activities – thus it rightly claimed victory.

I have heard that many IDF soldiers in Gaza wanted to press on and destroy Hamas in its holes. On the ground, many soldiers wanted none of the government’s political games and screamed to push deep into Gaza. Government pulled them out.

World communities’ condemnations on the civilian casualties will not become a big factor as usual however the highest fall out for IDF will be from Israelis themselves. I have never seen anybody criticize Israelis in a meaningful chocking way better than a J-ew.