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    ILHAM ALIYEV: CREATION OF TWO ARMENIAN STATES POSES GREAT THREAT TO FUTURE OF EUROPE

    ARMINFO News Agency
    September 25, 2006 Monday

    "Armenia is the only state in the world where there are no national minorities. This is a mono-state. The creation of two Armenian states is impossible, it conflicts with all the international norms and principles and it poses a great threat to the future of Europe", I. Aliyev said.


    http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg162901.html
    Last edited by Siamanto; 09-26-2006, 12:13 PM.
    What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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    Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Europe



    Armenians should remind the people at the forum that these hypocrites were hiring Afghanis, that the child-killing Basayev's militia was involved, and the same Wahabists who fund Al Qaeda also in part fund(ed) the Azeri military.

    Must be nice to be an Azeri, thinking everyone else is as dumb as you.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Europe

      Yes, the future of Europe according to Aliyev and Erdogan, one where the dominant religion is Islam.

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      • #4
        Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Europe

        i dont understand, where would the 2nd armenian state be located?

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Eur

          Originally posted by Sean
          i dont understand, where would the 2nd armenian state be located?
          Glendale, CA

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          • #6
            Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Eur

            Originally posted by Fedayeen
            Glendale, CA
            hahahaha,that was hilarious

            karabagh is what he is talking about though, Sean.

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            • #7
              Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Europe

              Originally posted by Sean
              i dont understand, where would the 2nd armenian state be located?

              Artsakh
              Last edited by ARK; 09-27-2006, 01:09 AM.

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                Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Europe

                President Aliyev: "We'll never allow Armenian state in Azerbaijani lands"

                18 September 2006 [16:09] - Today.Az

                "There exist great political, economic and cultural potential in Turkish-speaking countries. We become more powerful when all these potentials are united," Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said at the 10th Congress of Friendship, Brotherhood, Cooperation Congress of Turkish-speaking Countries and Communities in Antalya, Turkey.


                As APA reports, the head of state stressed that Armenia makes claims against Turkey instead of withdrawing from the Azerbaijani territories it have occupied.

                "We should unite our forces against this to destroy this propaganda completely. It is high time for us to attack. Turkish-speaking countries should unite their efforts to attack this ugly propaganda. We'll never allow any second, Armenian state in Azerbaijani territory. We'll prevent this by mobilizing our political, diplomatic, legal and military efforts," Azerbaijani President underlined.

                Mr.Aliyev stressed the occupied Azerbaijani lands are certain to be liberated, "Turkey and Azerbaijan should co-operate in Diaspora activity for this purpose. We should unite dour powers against Armenian activity not only in Turkey and Azerbaijan but also in the entire world."

                The head of state offered Baku hosting forum of integration of Turkish and Azerbaijani Diasporas early in 2007.


                URL: http://www.today.az/news/politics/30312.html

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                  Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Europe

                  Beautiful speech by Oskanian..
                  Love the conclusion


                  VARTAN OSKANIAN'S STATEMENT AT UN GA SESSION

                  Armenpress
                  Sept 25 2006

                  NEW YORK, SEPTEMBER 25, ARMENPRESS: 'Madame President, It is a pleasure
                  to congratulate you and to wish you a year that is relatively free
                  of crises and catastrophes. In other words, a year not like the one
                  we've just had during which my good friend Ian Eliasson successfully
                  navigated through troubled waters.

                  The year of turmoil, as he called it, included conflicts, as well
                  as man-made and natural disasters that required our collective
                  response. These challenges to our united will are becoming more
                  numerous, more dangerous and more complex.

                  Of all the events last year, the one which stood out most tragically
                  was the war in Lebanon. There I believe we lost a great deal of
                  credibility in the eyes of the peoples of the world who had a right
                  to expect that political expediency would not prevail. We watched
                  with great disappointment and dismay the political bickering within
                  the Security Council and the reluctance to bring about an immediate
                  ceasefire, even as the bombs were being dropped indiscriminately.

                  When any world body or power loses moral authority, the effectiveness
                  to undertake challenges which require collective response is
                  undermined.

                  In other areas, a united international community has succeeded. It
                  has played a supportive role in the civilized process which brought
                  Montenegro to this day and this body. Together, we created and
                  empowered the Peace building Commission and the Human Rights Council
                  - two bodies which hold great promise in delivering deeper and more
                  purposeful engagement by a world community committed to building
                  peace and protecting human rights.

                  The most insipid and threatening challenges in the world remain those
                  of poverty and hopelessness. When the world's leaders met six years
                  ago, they decided that the UN was the ideal mechanism to confront
                  the social ills facing our societies, they publicly accepted their
                  combined responsibility in achieving accelerated and more even social
                  and economic development. They said to the world that, together, we
                  will channel international processes and multinational resources to
                  tackle the most basic human needs. Thus, they placed the principle and
                  potential of united action on the judgment block. Six years later,
                  the world continues to watch in earnest to see if individual and
                  regional interests can be rallied in striving for the common good.

                  Madame President, We are faced with the same challenges, locally. In
                  Armenia, we are encouraged and rewarded by our extensive reforms. These
                  reforms are irreversible and already showing remarkable results.

                  We are going to move now to second generation reforms in order
                  to continue to register the successes of the last half decade:
                  legislative and administrative strides forward, an open, liberal
                  economy, double-digit growth.

                  Encouraged by our own successes, this year we have determined to
                  build on our course of economic recovery and target rural poverty. We
                  are reminded of the remarkable promise made to the victims of global
                  poverty in 2000: "To free our fellow men, women and children from the
                  abject and dehumanizing conditions of extreme poverty." To do this at
                  home, we will leverage the philanthropy of international organizations
                  and friendly governments with the traditional generosity of our
                  Diaspora to build and repair infrastructure, which is essential to
                  facilitate and enable economic development. But infrastructure alone
                  does not reduce poverty and remove unjust inequalities. Creating
                  economic opportunities, teaching the necessary skills - these are
                  essential to erase the deep development disparities that exist today
                  between cities and rural areas.

                  Madame President, we will begin in our border communities, because
                  unlike other countries, where borders are points of interaction and
                  activity, Armenia's borders to the east and the west remain closed. As
                  a result, regional economic development suffers. But with Turkey, it
                  is more than our economies that suffer. It is the dialogue between our
                  two peoples that suffers. Turkey's insistence on keeping the border
                  closed, on continuing to prevent direct contact and communication,
                  freezes the memories of yesterday instead of creating new experiences
                  to forge the memories of tomorrow. We continue to remain hopeful that
                  Turkey will see that blocking relations until there is harmony and
                  reciprocal understanding is really not a policy. On the contrary, it's
                  an avoidance of a responsible policy to forge forward with regional
                  cooperation at a time and in a region with growing global significance.

                  Madame President, let me take a minute to reflect on Kosovo,
                  as so many have done. We follow the Kosovo self-determination
                  process very closely. We ourselves strongly support the process of
                  self-determination for the population of Nagorno Karabakh. Yet, we
                  don't draw parallels between these two or with any other conflicts. We
                  believe that conflicts are all different and each must be decided on
                  its own merits. While we do not look at the outcome of Kosovo as a
                  precedent, on the other hand, a Kosovo decision cannot and should not
                  result in the creation of obstacles to self-determination for others
                  in order to pre-empt the accusation of precedence. Such a reverse
                  reaction - to prevent or pre-empt others from achieving well-earned
                  self-determination - is unacceptable.

                  Efforts to do just that - by elevating territorial integrity above
                  all other principles - are already underway, especially in this
                  chamber. But this contradicts the lessons of history. There is a reason
                  that the Helsinki Final Act enshrines self-determination as an equal
                  principle. In international relations, just as in human relations,
                  there are no absolute rights. There are also responsibilities. A state
                  must earn the right to lead and govern. States have the responsibility
                  to protect their citizens. A people choose the government which
                  represents them. The people of Nagorno Karabakh chose long ago not to
                  be represented by the government of Azerbaijan. They were the victims
                  of state violence, they defended themselves, and succeeded against
                  great odds, only to hear the state cry foul and claim sovereignty and
                  territorial integrity. But the government of Azerbaijan has lost the
                  moral right to even suggest providing for their security and their
                  future, let alone to talk of custody of the people of Nagorno Karabakh.

                  Azerbaijan did not behave responsibly or morally with the people
                  of Nagorno Karabakh, who it considered to be its own citizens. They
                  sanctioned massacres in urban areas, far from Nagorno Karabakh; they
                  bombed and displaced more than 300,000 Armenians; they unleashed the
                  military; and after they lost the war and accepted a ceasefire, they
                  proceeded to destroy all traces of Armenians on their territories. In
                  the most cynical expression of such irresponsibility, this last
                  December, a decade after the fighting had stopped, they completed the
                  final destruction and removal of thousands of massive hand-sculpted
                  cross-stones - medieval Armenian tombstones elaborately carved and
                  decorated.

                  Such destruction, in an area with no Armenians, at a distance from
                  Nagorno Karabakh and any conflict areas, is a callous demonstration
                  that Azerbaijan's attitude toward tolerance, human values, cultural
                  treasures, cooperation or even peace, has not changed.

                  One cannot blame us for thinking that Azerbaijan is not ready or
                  interested in a negotiated peace. Yet, having rejected the other
                  two compromise solutions that have been proposed over the last 8
                  years, they do not want to be accused of rejecting the peace plan on
                  the table today. Therefore, they are using every means available -
                  from state violence to international maneuvers - to try to bring the
                  Armenians to do the rejecting.

                  But Armenia is on record: we have agreed to each of the basic
                  principles in the document that's on the table today. Yet, in order to
                  give this or any document a chance, Azerbaijan can't think, or pretend
                  to think, that there is still a military option. There isn't. The
                  military option is a tried and failed option. Compromise and realism
                  are the only real options. The path that Nagorno Karabakh has chosen
                  for itself over these two decades is irreversible. It succeeded in
                  ensuring its self-defense, it proceeded to set up self-governance
                  mechanisms, and it controls its borders and its economy. Formalizing
                  this process is a necessary step toward stability in our region.

                  Dismissing, as Azerbaijan does, all that's happened in the last 20
                  years and petulantly insisting that things must return to the way
                  they were, is not just unrealistic, but disingenuous.

                  Madame president, Nagorno Karabakh is not a cause.

                  It is a place, an ancient place, a beautiful garden, with people who
                  have earned the right to live in peace and without fear. We ask for
                  nothing more. We expect nothing less.'

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Ilham Aliyev: Creation Of Two Armenian States Poses Great Threat To Future Of Europe

                    Originally posted by Baron Dants
                    Beautiful speech by Oskanian..
                    Love the conclusion


                    VARTAN OSKANIAN'S STATEMENT AT UN GA SESSION

                    Armenpress
                    Sept 25 2006

                    NEW YORK, SEPTEMBER 25, ARMENPRESS: 'Madame President, It is a pleasure
                    to congratulate you and to wish you a year that is relatively free
                    of crises and catastrophes. In other words, a year not like the one
                    we've just had during which my good friend Ian Eliasson successfully
                    navigated through troubled waters.

                    The year of turmoil, as he called it, included conflicts, as well
                    as man-made and natural disasters that required our collective
                    response. These challenges to our united will are becoming more
                    numerous, more dangerous and more complex.

                    Of all the events last year, the one which stood out most tragically
                    was the war in Lebanon. There I believe we lost a great deal of
                    credibility in the eyes of the peoples of the world who had a right
                    to expect that political expediency would not prevail. We watched
                    with great disappointment and dismay the political bickering within
                    the Security Council and the reluctance to bring about an immediate
                    ceasefire, even as the bombs were being dropped indiscriminately.

                    When any world body or power loses moral authority, the effectiveness
                    to undertake challenges which require collective response is
                    undermined.

                    In other areas, a united international community has succeeded. It
                    has played a supportive role in the civilized process which brought
                    Montenegro to this day and this body. Together, we created and
                    empowered the Peace building Commission and the Human Rights Council
                    - two bodies which hold great promise in delivering deeper and more
                    purposeful engagement by a world community committed to building
                    peace and protecting human rights.

                    The most insipid and threatening challenges in the world remain those
                    of poverty and hopelessness. When the world's leaders met six years
                    ago, they decided that the UN was the ideal mechanism to confront
                    the social ills facing our societies, they publicly accepted their
                    combined responsibility in achieving accelerated and more even social
                    and economic development. They said to the world that, together, we
                    will channel international processes and multinational resources to
                    tackle the most basic human needs. Thus, they placed the principle and
                    potential of united action on the judgment block. Six years later,
                    the world continues to watch in earnest to see if individual and
                    regional interests can be rallied in striving for the common good.

                    Madame President, We are faced with the same challenges, locally. In
                    Armenia, we are encouraged and rewarded by our extensive reforms. These
                    reforms are irreversible and already showing remarkable results.

                    We are going to move now to second generation reforms in order
                    to continue to register the successes of the last half decade:
                    legislative and administrative strides forward, an open, liberal
                    economy, double-digit growth.

                    Encouraged by our own successes, this year we have determined to
                    build on our course of economic recovery and target rural poverty. We
                    are reminded of the remarkable promise made to the victims of global
                    poverty in 2000: "To free our fellow men, women and children from the
                    abject and dehumanizing conditions of extreme poverty." To do this at
                    home, we will leverage the philanthropy of international organizations
                    and friendly governments with the traditional generosity of our
                    Diaspora to build and repair infrastructure, which is essential to
                    facilitate and enable economic development. But infrastructure alone
                    does not reduce poverty and remove unjust inequalities. Creating
                    economic opportunities, teaching the necessary skills - these are
                    essential to erase the deep development disparities that exist today
                    between cities and rural areas.

                    Madame President, we will begin in our border communities, because
                    unlike other countries, where borders are points of interaction and
                    activity, Armenia's borders to the east and the west remain closed. As
                    a result, regional economic development suffers. But with Turkey, it
                    is more than our economies that suffer. It is the dialogue between our
                    two peoples that suffers. Turkey's insistence on keeping the border
                    closed, on continuing to prevent direct contact and communication,
                    freezes the memories of yesterday instead of creating new experiences
                    to forge the memories of tomorrow. We continue to remain hopeful that
                    Turkey will see that blocking relations until there is harmony and
                    reciprocal understanding is really not a policy. On the contrary, it's
                    an avoidance of a responsible policy to forge forward with regional
                    cooperation at a time and in a region with growing global significance.

                    Madame President, let me take a minute to reflect on Kosovo,
                    as so many have done. We follow the Kosovo self-determination
                    process very closely. We ourselves strongly support the process of
                    self-determination for the population of Nagorno Karabakh. Yet, we
                    don't draw parallels between these two or with any other conflicts. We
                    believe that conflicts are all different and each must be decided on
                    its own merits. While we do not look at the outcome of Kosovo as a
                    precedent, on the other hand, a Kosovo decision cannot and should not
                    result in the creation of obstacles to self-determination for others
                    in order to pre-empt the accusation of precedence. Such a reverse
                    reaction - to prevent or pre-empt others from achieving well-earned
                    self-determination - is unacceptable.

                    Efforts to do just that - by elevating territorial integrity above
                    all other principles - are already underway, especially in this
                    chamber. But this contradicts the lessons of history. There is a reason
                    that the Helsinki Final Act enshrines self-determination as an equal
                    principle. In international relations, just as in human relations,
                    there are no absolute rights. There are also responsibilities. A state
                    must earn the right to lead and govern. States have the responsibility
                    to protect their citizens. A people choose the government which
                    represents them. The people of Nagorno Karabakh chose long ago not to
                    be represented by the government of Azerbaijan. They were the victims
                    of state violence, they defended themselves, and succeeded against
                    great odds, only to hear the state cry foul and claim sovereignty and
                    territorial integrity. But the government of Azerbaijan has lost the
                    moral right to even suggest providing for their security and their
                    future, let alone to talk of custody of the people of Nagorno Karabakh.

                    Azerbaijan did not behave responsibly or morally with the people
                    of Nagorno Karabakh, who it considered to be its own citizens. They
                    sanctioned massacres in urban areas, far from Nagorno Karabakh; they
                    bombed and displaced more than 300,000 Armenians; they unleashed the
                    military; and after they lost the war and accepted a ceasefire, they
                    proceeded to destroy all traces of Armenians on their territories. In
                    the most cynical expression of such irresponsibility, this last
                    December, a decade after the fighting had stopped, they completed the
                    final destruction and removal of thousands of massive hand-sculpted
                    cross-stones - medieval Armenian tombstones elaborately carved and
                    decorated.

                    Such destruction, in an area with no Armenians, at a distance from
                    Nagorno Karabakh and any conflict areas, is a callous demonstration
                    that Azerbaijan's attitude toward tolerance, human values, cultural
                    treasures, cooperation or even peace, has not changed.

                    One cannot blame us for thinking that Azerbaijan is not ready or
                    interested in a negotiated peace. Yet, having rejected the other
                    two compromise solutions that have been proposed over the last 8
                    years, they do not want to be accused of rejecting the peace plan on
                    the table today. Therefore, they are using every means available -
                    from state violence to international maneuvers - to try to bring the
                    Armenians to do the rejecting.

                    But Armenia is on record: we have agreed to each of the basic
                    principles in the document that's on the table today. Yet, in order to
                    give this or any document a chance, Azerbaijan can't think, or pretend
                    to think, that there is still a military option. There isn't. The
                    military option is a tried and failed option. Compromise and realism
                    are the only real options. The path that Nagorno Karabakh has chosen
                    for itself over these two decades is irreversible. It succeeded in
                    ensuring its self-defense, it proceeded to set up self-governance
                    mechanisms, and it controls its borders and its economy. Formalizing
                    this process is a necessary step toward stability in our region.

                    Dismissing, as Azerbaijan does, all that's happened in the last 20
                    years and petulantly insisting that things must return to the way
                    they were, is not just unrealistic, but disingenuous.

                    Madame president, Nagorno Karabakh is not a cause.

                    It is a place, an ancient place, a beautiful garden, with people who
                    have earned the right to live in peace and without fear. We ask for
                    nothing more. We expect nothing less.'
                    Bravo indeed.

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