Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

[Folk]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Anoush, I understand you. Armenians had bad times during their history. Of course now they want to preserve their identity. It is normal. It is a natural right to live a culture, a belief, traditions etc... But what I mean is that interracial marriages in fact are not obstacle for this, and they shouldn't be. People who make interracial marriages are not supposed to be assimilated under the identity of his/her spouse. I mean, cultural identity difference shouldn't be an obstacle for social events.

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Anoush, I understand you. Armenians had bad times during their history. Of course now they want to preserve their identity. It is normal. It is a natural right to live a culture, a belief, traditions etc... But what I mean is that interracial marriages in fact are not obstacle for this, and they shouldn't be. People who make interracial marriages are not supposed to be assimilated under the identity of his/her spouse. I mean, cultural identity difference shouldn't be an obstacle for social events.

And how will the kids be raised? As Armenian or whatever the other parent is?

[jmm7]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

I can understand your feelings, and this I think you Armenians guys should do to preserve your culture:


1. All of you that are profoundly concern about the continuity of the Armenian culture, and live in the USA, should get back as soon as possible to Armenia. It make no sense that you are here wanted to preserve you culture in a country that don't care to much about it, except to declare some holidays and party about it.

2. All men should improve the way you treat your women. Otherwise, the Armenian girls will continue to look to your neighbor as serious option for life. For what I read in this forum, is so easy to sense the "macho" attitude in a lot of the you that write here. No matter what nationality, sooner or later girls will get tired of this behavior.

just my two cents.

Jmm7

[Catharsis]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Jimm and Folk; For your information there are numerous Diasporan Armenians that marry outside of their nationalities anyhow. Not everyone tries to preserve their nationality. Many intermarry with Americans, Canadians, French, Spanish, Mexicans, Blacks, Arabs, J'ewish and the list goes on and on.

Armenians marrying "their own..." is nothing short of a myth - sadly - since I would say even in the first generation Armenians in United States already quite a lot of Armenians marry non-Armenians. I wish at least Armenian schools did more in this regard, but even in Armenian schools, you have Americanized Armenians who do not even speak Armenian to each other and most can barely even pass any of their Armenian Language and Literature subjects.

US prides itself on diversity, but we lose the multiculturalism when we lose the unique cultures and identities that make up the American mosaic which is replaced by the melting pot that brings everything down to uniform grayness.

[Catharsis]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

I can understand your feelings, and this I think you Armenians guys should do to preserve your culture:


1. All of you that are profoundly concern about the continuity of the Armenian culture, and live in the USA, should get back as soon as possible to Armenia. It make no sense that you are here wanted to preserve you culture in a country that don't care to much about it, except to declare some holidays and party about it.

2. All men should improve the way you treat your women. Otherwise, the Armenian girls will continue to look to your neighbor as serious option for life. For what I read in this forum, is so easy to sense the "macho" attitude in a lot of the you that write here. No matter what nationality, sooner or later girls will get tired of this behavior.

just my two cents.

Jmm7

Jmm7, as I said above, diversity is what makes America stronger (and this is not what I say, but is virtually a doctrine of United States), so what you are saying does not correspond to the multiculturalism. Its like saying if Latinos want their Spanish history and culture subjects in their schools and want to preserve their identity in the US they have to somehow go back to Latin America? If someone says this to Latinos they would immediately say that it is just plain racism (and rightly so) in the light of the above model of multiculturalism that US prides itself upon.

I hope you can reverse the perspective and view it not with Armenians but with any of the ethnic groups that make up the richness that is the United States of America.

[jmm7]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

hi Catharsis

Of course that the same thought applies for any culture, including latinos. If one of them is so radical about its culture I think he or she should go back to its country.
I think any culture can try to preserve its traditions here in USA, but it will be frustration after frustration, since sooner or later, someone of the new generation is going to start finding that people from other cultures are interesting.
That happens in any culture.

It happened to me! I found this Armenian person so interesting, and this persons seems to be a lot different from the majority here in forum. Why do you think is different?

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

hi Catharsis

Of course that the same thought applies for any culture, including latinos. If one of them is so radical about its culture I think he or she should go back to its country.
I think any culture can try to preserve its traditions here in USA, but it will be frustration after frustration, since sooner or later, someone of the new generation is going to start finding that people from other cultures are interesting.
That happens in any culture.

It happened to me! I found this Armenian person so interesting, and this persons seems to be a lot different from the majority here in forum. Why do you think is different?

You are right that Armenians will have to return to Armenia in order to truly retain their 'Armenianess', but in the meantime they should try to marry Armenians only. As far as the girl you are talking about, it probably has to do with her family and upbringing, I guess they do not put as much emphasis on her being with an Armenian as they should have. Either way I can tell you that quality is more important than quantity, so if an Armenian isn't concerned about keeping their culture and not assimilating and they do not want to hear the reasons why this is important, well then good riddens they should assimilate. I am not saying this applies to the girl you like since I do not know her personaly but I do know the type and mentality of some of these people.

[Catharsis]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

hi Catharsis

Of course that the same thought applies for any culture, including latinos. If one of them is so radical about its culture I think he or she should go back to its country.
I think any culture can try to preserve its traditions here in USA, but it will be frustration after frustration, since sooner or later, someone of the new generation is going to start finding that people from other cultures are interesting.
That happens in any culture.

It happened to me! I found this Armenian person so interesting, and this persons seems to be a lot different from the majority here in forum. Why do you think is different?

Yes Jmm7, I understand what you mean and ultimately agree with you that there should be at least a bond between the Homeland and the Diasporans if they are to maintain their identity and repatriation is not a bad alternative.

Let me ask you though, would you put the effort to learn and preserve both of your cultures (as far as I understood you are Latino which has a cultural richness of its own without any doubt). I think ultimately, the offspring in all probability would embrace an "amorphous" American culture which is quite generic and changes over time. I stand by what I say, that it is only and only in the interest of the same American culture to maintain its multicultural flavor. From an Armenian perspective you are right, we need to think and not forget that we do have an obligation to that culture and Homeland that gave birth to it and where the roots of this culture lie and need to be watered in their own right if the Tree of Life is to survive and blossom.

[Anoush]

I can understand your feelings, and this I think you Armenians guys should do to preserve your culture:


1. All of you that are profoundly concern about the continuity of the Armenian culture, and live in the USA, should get back as soon as possible to Armenia. It make no sense that you are here wanted to preserve you culture in a country that don't care to much about it, except to declare some holidays and party about it.

2. All men should improve the way you treat your women. Otherwise, the Armenian girls will continue to look to your neighbor as serious option for life. For what I read in this forum, is so easy to sense the "macho" attitude in a lot of the you that write here. No matter what nationality, sooner or later girls will get tired of this behavior.

just my two cents.

Jmm7

Jmm7, Frankly both your sentences and point of views are well taken and are said. You are right; all that are greatly concerned about assimilation, at least 80-90% should repatriate to Armenia. The other way is to buy a house or a condo in there and visit about a few months back and forth, or another option is to invest in a business in there and also buy a house and continue to visit.

Although not all Armenian men astray or mistreat their wives and families; I'd like to think that a mere quarter do, the same as in any other nationality. However the less done in our nationality the better, for more reasons not to divorce or to have assimilation problems. I would like to stress here that usually I don't hear Armenian men killing their wives or their children as I hear from a great many other nationalities. Armenian men don't make headlines to that effect. Yes perhaps a few mistreat their wives and familes and astray, but I believe that applies to all men. In every nationality, not just Armenian. I believe that in most respects, Armenian men still make good family figures. To the girls who are soooo particular when it comes to chosing an Armenian life partner vs. to other nationalities; then I would go along with Armanen and say good riddance with them. If you wish not to assymilate in any gender, then you do your best not to.

I stand by what I say, that it is only and only in the interest of the same American culture to maintain its multicultural flavor.

Quite true Catharsis, America has been and is rich because of it. Every nation brought their seed and have made America what it has become through her 233 years of life from her inception. I maintain that although most Americans believe in total assimilation when living in this country, staying somewhat close to one's heritage, traditions and cultures will make individuals to be better human beings and serving to any given culture and nationality is far better than simply proclaiming to be Americans and solely thinking of themselves, their wealth, their decadent indulgences and will become more self-serving and selfcentered individuals.

[jmm7]

Let me ask you though, would you put the effort to learn and preserve both of your cultures (as far as I understood you are Latino which has a cultural richness of its own without any doubt).

Absolutely!, Actually, no that I am gonna married this girl but if I'd do, I will be more than please to spend some time in Armenia, and of course in my country, and honestly more in Armenia since here there are a LOT of latino jejejeje.

But at the end, no matter how much effort we will put, ours kids would decide theirself which culture is more appealing for them, and I am guessing here, but I think they will become simply Americans. In the event, they feel a strong sense for Armenia, I will be more than pleased since it is the land of the woman I love, and above all you are a christian culture, which is very important to me.

Jmm7, Frankly both your sentences and point of views are well taken and are said. You are right; all that are greatly concerned about assimilation, at least 80-90% should repatriate to Armenia. The other way is to buy a house or a condo in there and visit about a few months back and forth, or another option is to invest in a business in there and also buy a house and continue to visit.

Although not all Armenian men astray or mistreat their wives and families; I'd like to think that a mere quarter do, the same as in any other nationality. However the less done in our nationality the better, for more reasons not to divorce or to have assimilation problems. I would like to stress here that usually I don't hear Armenian men killing their wives or their children as I hear from a great many other nationalities. Armenian men don't make headlines to that effect. Yes perhaps a few mistreat their wives and familes and astray, but I believe that applies to all men. In every nationality, not just Armenian. I believe that in most respects, Armenian men still make good family figures. To the girls who are soooo particular when it comes to chosing an Armenian life partner vs. to other nationalities; then I would go along with Armanen and say good riddance with them. If you wish not to assymilate in any gender, then you do your best not to.

I am so pleased that we can talk and agree in most point of views.

Just one thing. Never crossed my mind that the majority of you guys abused physically your wives. God forbid it. However is some degree that happened in all cultures.