Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

[crusader1492]

Local Publisher Becomes First to Receive Dual-Citizenship to Armenia

BY ARA KHACHATOURIAN

GLENDALE--A recent visit to Armenia by Lincy Foundation Vice-President and the Publisher of the Glendale-based California Courier had more in store for him than a busy schedule of meetings and appearances. While in Armenia, Harut Sassounian became a citizen of Armenia--one of the first to receive dual-citizenship under a new law ratified in February 2007.
Sassounian, who is also the Executive Director of the United Armenia Fund, has traveled to Armenia countless times since 1989. This last visit, however, was very special.
“I knew about the law,” Sassounian said, “but I didn't know that the government has started enacting it.”
After hearing that, in fact, mechanisms were in place for this process, Sassounian decided to apply in Armenia.
He explained that the process required the completion of a lengthy application, background checks, medical forms and other information. Before the completion of his trip, he was granted citizenship, perhaps becoming the first Diasporan-Armenian to receive citizenship based on this new law.
Sassounian explained that this was not the traditional “10-year” residency that is granted or sometimes bestowed to by government official. “I am a full-fledged citizen,” he explained.
On February 26, 2007, the Armenian parliament overwhelmingly approved the bill on dual citizenship, which allows members of the Diaspora to hold citizenship.
An announcement issued Wednesday by Armenia's Consulate General in Los Angeles indicated that Armenian embassies and consular mission were not accepting applications for dual-citizenship.
Armenia's Consul General in Los Angeles, Armen Liloyan, told Asbarez that no one had yet applied for dual citizenship in Los Angeles, adding that now that the processes and mechanisms for that application have been directed to the consular offices, he welcomed all Diasporans to take advantage of this provision.
Armenia's Ambassador to the US, Tatul Markarian, echoed Liloyan's statements and added that no one has yet received dual citizenship, effectively making Sassounian the first Diasporan to receive dual-citizenship.
Liloyan explained that he and others in the Consulate will be making the rounds on various Armenian television programs to promote dual-citizenship and answer the public's questions about the process.
He also explained that this provision is mainly for Diaspora Armenians, adding that former Armenian citizens who are living in the Diaspora can apply for re-instatement of their citizenship, which he said was a simple logistical process.
The dual-citizenship law stipulates that people of Armenian descent over the age of 18 can apply for Armenian citizenship and must have a three-year permanent residency in the country.
The applicant must be able to speak Armenian and have familiarity with the country's constitution. Citizenship may be granted to couples, where one of the spouses or their children is citizens of Armenia.
The bill denies Armenian citizenship to people whose activity may damage the country's national interests. Dual citizenship law allows for participation in the elections, with proof of residency. However, dual citizens cannot seek elected office. Dual citizens may hold ministerial posts, but cannot run for parliament or president.
People with dual citizenship may serve in the Armenian army, but they are exempt from it if they have served 12 months in the armed forces of the country of their primary citizenship or 18 months as alternative military service. It also says citizens of Armenia who have received a second citizenship would not be exempt from mandatory service in the Armenian armed forces.
The Armenian Revolutionary Federation, which was the main proponent of the right to dual nationality, welcomed the adoption of the bill and on that day its deputies celebrated it with an improvised reception promptly held in their parliament offices.
"This law is an opportunity to consolidate our nation," then ARF faction member Ruben Hovsepian, said. "This legislation will allow Armenian living in different countries to consider themselves full-fledged citizens of Armenia," he said.
Armenia's Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian also has welcomed this provision.
In an interview with the Tehran-based Huys newspaper in October, Oskanian stressed that dual citizenship will allow the dispersed Armenian population around the world to strengthen its ties with the homeland.
Oskanian said dual citizenship would allow Armenia to strengthen its resources and maintain its position in the ever-evolving world.
“One part of our new resources will come from Armenia and the other part from the Diaspora,” added Oskanian.



Friday, March 28, 2008

[crusader1492]

Umm, you can't amend the constitutional residency requirements by statute. That's not how you amend constitutions.

...spoken like a true yenta.

[freakyfreaky]

Ok, smarty pants, ask Mr. Sassounian to show you a copy of the law he relied on to apply for dual citizenship wherein it provides notice of the procedure and the substantive rights obtained.

The constitution was amended by a questionable referendum in 2005.

Why don't you consider why it was questionable - the passage rate appears to have been lowered to 1/4 of percent such that they allowed to constitution to be amended with respect to the referendum without a referendum.

Since that date, I am aware of no statute being enacted concerning dual citizenship such that its terms are merely, capriciously spoken. The NA website has not been updated in sometime and the President's website is down.

Call the embassy, ask them to send you a copy. So how fast you get it. Post it here. Go for it. Show up or zip it.

Then, ask Mr. Sassounian to explain how Robert Kocharian became president under the pre-2005 RA Constitution. And, then ask him, if a former Soviet Azeri can become president of Armenia merely by moving to Armenian then why can't an American Armenian.

I summise that Mr. Sassounian is being used to gather information about the diaspora. He's a tool and so are you. The sad irony of dual citizenship being given an Armenian-American publisher and officer of one of the largest third party donors to Armenia almost immediately after a media crackdown imposed for no legitimate purpose. Now, the taxman shakes down the Armenia media.

L8r tool.

[crusader1492]

are you done?

[freakyfreaky]

No response tool, nothing new. Undisputed.

[freakyfreaky]

Asbarez issues a retraction on dual citizenship story stating that the embassies and consulates are not accepting applications. Apparently, now they are accepting applications. Call em, ask them for a copy of the statute and an application. You can e-mail em.

http://www.asbarez.com/index.html?showarticle=29178_4/1/2008_1

[crusader1492]

Counsular Affairs Section of the Armenian Embassy, Washington, DC.

Info on how to apply for Armenian Citizenship:

http://www.armeniaemb.org/ConsularAffairs/DualCitizenship/index.htm

[freakyfreaky]

This is funny. Compare the FM and the NA's versions of the dual citizenship law.
http://www.parliament.am/legislation.php?sel=show&ID=1731
http://www.armeniaforeignministry.com/perspectives/dualcitizenship-final-eng.pdf

Things that make my hair rise "simplified procedure" which is so simple that it is not explained or defined, the fact that the government may allow you to have dual citizenship but they won't recognize it, and there are different versions of it depending on whether you go the legislature or executive branch and the President ultimately controls whether you get it or not.

Frickin shabby if you ask me.

And, the funny thing about the application is that you can take a driving test in California in Armenian but you can be an Armenian and not get a citizenship application for your homeland in English or Spanish or French, etc.

Even funnier is that the road signs in Karabakh identify the cities using English.

How many English speaking people reside in Karabakh?
How many English speaking tourist travel to Karabakh on a yearly basis?
How many Armenians speak, read, write English or Western Armenian better than Eastern Armenian.
If you answer the Armenian application in English, are they going to read it?

Is anything ever simple in the RA?

[Armanen]

have you been to Armenia before freaky?

[freakyfreaky]

I don't see how that has any bearing on this topic. Care to illuminate me? Is there somewhere in the new code that requires you to have visited Armenia before?

You obviously agree with my position, so I guess in your own guilt you feel you must go after me.

[KarotheGreat]

This is funny. Compare the FM and the NA's versions of the dual citizenship law.
http://www.parliament.am/legislation.php?sel=show&ID=1731
http://www.armeniaforeignministry.com/perspectives/dualcitizenship-final-eng.pdf

Things that make my hair rise "simplified procedure" which is so simple that it is not explained or defined, the fact that the government may allow you to have dual citizenship but they won't recognize it, and there are different versions of it depending on whether you go the legislature or executive branch and the President ultimately controls whether you get it or not.

Frickin shabby if you ask me.

And, the funny thing about the application is that you can take a driving test in California in Armenian but you can be an Armenian and not get a citizenship application for your homeland in English or Spanish or French, etc.


You are saying there should be application formes in English, if you don't know how to read and write Armenian why do you even try to become a citisen.

[crusader1492]

Frickin shabby if you ask me.


No one asked you. No one ever asks you.

[Armanen]

I don't see how that has any bearing on this topic. Care to illuminate me? Is there somewhere in the new code that requires you to have visited Armenia before?

You obviously agree with my position, so I guess in your own guilt you feel you must go after me.


dumbass, it was just to see if you have been there, and if so whether you have had personal trouble with the authorities there, such as official red tape. But I sense that you have never been and I hope you do not as we do not need pseudo Armenians like yourself running loose in Armenia.

[crusader1492]

dumbass, it was just to see if you have been there, and if so whether you have had personal trouble with the authorities there, such as official red tape. But I sense that you have never been and I hope you do not as we do not need pseudo Armenians like yourself running loose in Armenia.


The hypocrite (freaky) asked me the same question a few months back, (Im sure with the assumption that I've never been to Armenia). Now he whines when he's asked the same question....typical. :rolleyes:

[Mos]

Look, I think every Armenian has to go to Armenia. How can you support and advocate a country you have never been too? You have to see the Armenian people interact with them to really understand the kind of country you are from. You have to visit the beautiful churches, the beautiful mountains that our ancestors have lived for so many years. I have gone to Armenia every year of my life, mostly to visit my family, but the more I've went to more I've connected with it. And now I feel more at home at Armenia then the USA. I feel more connected with the Armenian people than with the Americans. I feel their pain, their humor, their mindset. That's why I want to live in Armenia for the rest of my life, be around my family and relatives, and be immersed in our unique culture and serve my one and only country. Because I know that if I stay in the US like it or not my Armenian identity will fade. Not mine though, maybe my children, but my grand-children will have forgotten their culture and will only briefly refer to it only during cultural diversity days. The last think we Armenians want is the assimilation of our identity which is taking place in the US as we speak. I see it all around me people with Armenian last names, not knowing their Armenian or maybe touching upon it in the slightest manner. Because in the end it is with similar culture, language, and the homeland that we connect with one another.

[Armanen]

Look, I think every Armenian has to go to Armenia. How can you support and advocate a country you have never been too? You have to see the Armenian people interact with them to really understand the kind of country you are from. You have to visit the beautiful churches, the beautiful mountains that our ancestors have lived for so many years. I have gone to Armenia every year of my life, mostly to visit my family, but the more I've went to more I've connected with it. And now I feel more at home at Armenia then the USA. I feel more connected with the Armenian people than with the Americans. I feel their pain, their humor, their mindset. That's why I want to live in Armenia for the rest of my life, be around my family and relatives, and be immersed in our unique culture and serve my one and only country. Because I know that if I stay in the US like it or not my Armenian identity will fade. Not mine though, maybe my children, but my grand-children will have forgotten their culture and will only briefly refer to it only during cultural diversity days. The last think we Armenians want is the assimilation of our identity which is taking place in the US as we speak. I see it all around me people with Armenian last names, not knowing their Armenian or maybe touching upon it in the slightest manner. Because in the end it is with similar culture, language, and the homeland that we connect with one another.



You have captured my feelings almost to the letter.

[freakyfreaky]

Yeah, ok, whatever. My family is written about in Armenian in a book published in Armenia. My maternal great grandfather is from Martuni.

But, if the majority of those of you here are representative of the mentality of those in Armenia, why would educated, professional, successful Armenians in the diaspora want to return???

And, if you can't understand why using English for an immigration application back to Armenia may benefit in garnering more interest in completing it, then you have serious problems - notice how the citizenship statute is published in English - who is that for?? RA Citizens??

There are plenty of Armenians who don't read, write or speak 'Eastern' Armenian that may desire to attempt to enjoy their right of return.

[Armanen]

If one can read western or eastern it is not much trouble for them to read the other. I don't think it would be a bad thing if the application were in other languages too, but many other european nations have their residency permit applications in their native language, one is austria.


But, if the majority of those of you here are representative of the mentality of those in Armenia, why would educated, professional, successful Armenians in the diaspora want to return???


That's quite a claim for you to be making, that you're educated and professional.

[crusader1492]

Police Release Armenian Dual Citizenship Data

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/351496005_dc6e90a90c_o.jpg
By Ruzanna Stepanian

Nearly one thousand foreign nationals have applied for dual Armenian citizenship since it was introduced by the authorities in Yerevan late last year, a senior police official said on Wednesday.

Armenia’s constitution banned dual citizenship until it was amended in a disputed November 2005 referendum. Then President Robert Kocharian and some of his political allies, notably the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun), were instrumental in the lifting of the ban. They cited the need to better utilize the economic and political potential of the worldwide Armenian Diaspora.

It took the Armenian authorities two years to enact corresponding changes in the country’s law on citizenship and approve a complex procedure for applying for and obtaining dual citizenship. The president of the republic has the exclusive authority to grant it. Dual citizenship applications have to be endorsed by the police and a special presidential commission headed by Justice Minister Gevorg Danielian before being considered by the head of state.

According to Alvina Zakarian, head of the Police Department on Passports and Visas, 188 foreigners, most of them ethnic Armenians, have been granted Armenian passports since the measure took effect last December. Zakarian said almost 800 other applications are currently being considered by relevant state bodies. She added that most of the applicants are citizens of Russia, Georgia, Iran, and other countries with sizable ethnic Armenian communities.

Zakarian confirmed that all prospective dual citizens must be permanent residents of Armenia and that those who have no ethnic Armenian roots must have lived there for at least three years. “For example, an Australian living in Australia is not eligible for our dual citizenship,” she told reporters.

The residency requirement set by the law was clearly intended to allay fears that dual citizenship would allow the Diaspora Armenians, who greatly outnumber Armenia’s population, to influence election results and other political processes in the country. During February 2007 debates on the government-drafted amendments to the law, senior lawmakers from the ruling Republican Party demanded that dual nationals be granted voting rights only if they live in Armenia during at least one of the five years preceding a particular election. They dropped the demand after it was rejected as unconstitutional by the government.

[freakyfreaky]

So let's see the first three presidents since the 2nd independence of the 20th century were all diaspora Armenians. So they changed the law so that is no longer possible. And, the RA does not recognize your other citizenship.

Also the fact that the President is the ultimate decider re: an individual's citizenship is not a very good safeguard of an individual's constitutional right to due process. Thanks for the followup Crusader.

[crusader1492]

Your welcome. I'm glad you are finally understanding the difficult concept that things have evolved in Armenian and now they have dual citizenship.

Bravo!

[freakyfreaky]

Crusader, the only thing I am beginning to understand on this issue is, is that you are still in left field and also that your ability to read in between the lines is just as poor as your ability to read. Good show, you dumb bloke!

[crusader1492]

Crusader, the only thing I am beginning to understand on this issue is, is that you are still in left field and also that your ability to read in between the lines is just as poor as your ability to read. Good show, you dumb bloke!

What, are you trying to act like you're a British aristocrat now? You're from Watertown, MA! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[HayotzAmrotz]

I strongly believe that absolutely every ethnic Armenian in the world has a right to reside in Armenia but residing is one thing becoming a citizen is another. This current law on dual citizenship is an absolute joke, it's a short sighted political move that undermines our national security. This law must be changed and I'm sure it will be changed.

Permanent Residency Visa/Passport should be given to any Armenian upon the approval of his/her application, which must be changed as well because the current 2 page form is silly, you have to provide more information to open a bank account than to become a PR of Armenia.

Only a Permanent Resident with 5 years of uninterrupted residency in Armenia should be allowed to apply for the Armenian Citizenship. The citizenship application must be very detailed and its processing time should be at least one year in order to gather all the necessary information and to determine whether the person should be granted the citizenship or not. A panel consisting of the senior members of the Ministry of National Security will decide the fate of the application and if they decide that it should be granted then they will advise the President who in his turn will simply sign the letter. If the panel decides that he person shoud not be granted then that's it. Of course the person will have the right to appeal to the High Court but only the Hight Court and the lawyers will see the evidence based on which the application was rejected.

Reasons for rejections? The Character Grounds are the number one reason and there are many who will not pass the Character Test. There are many Disapora Armenians who either worked in the past or are still working for foreign interests, granting people like that the Armenian Citizenship is not just crazy and very wrong, it's criminal and it's an act of treason.

I'm sorry if I upset the honest, dedicated and patriotic Diaspora Armenians, I got nothing against them, but they have to understand that these precautions are justified because among that very diverse mass of our people around the world are some who work for foreign governments and we should never allow them to infiltrate into our country, to be a citizen of our country and to damage our national security.

[Armenian]

I agree with Amrotz, providing diasporan Armenians dual citizenship is a long term national security threat for the republic. At the very least, the application process for obtaining it should be made difficult.

[freakyfreaky]

Under the current law, if all prospective dual citizens of Armenian ethnicity must be permanent residents of the RA in order to qualify, then how did Harut Sassounian obtain dual citizenship when, and, while, he resides in Southern California??

Something is very fishy, here.

[crusader1492]

Something is very fishy, here.

Perhaps you should close your legs.

[freakyfreaky]

Local Publisher Becomes First to Receive Dual-Citizenship to Armenia

BY ARA KHACHATOURIAN

GLENDALE--A recent visit to Armenia by Lincy Foundation Vice-President and the Publisher of the Glendale-based California Courier had more in store for him than a busy schedule of meetings and appearances. While in Armenia, Harut Sassounian became a citizen of Armenia--one of the first to receive dual-citizenship under a new law ratified in February 2007.
Sassounian, who is also the Executive Director of the United Armenia Fund, has traveled to Armenia countless times since 1989. This last visit, however, was very special.
“I knew about the law,” Sassounian said, “but I didn't know that the government has started enacting it.”
After hearing that, in fact, mechanisms were in place for this process, Sassounian decided to apply in Armenia.
He explained that the process required the completion of a lengthy application, background checks, medical forms and other information. Before the completion of his trip, he was granted citizenship, perhaps becoming the first Diasporan-Armenian to receive citizenship based on this new law.
Sassounian explained that this was not the traditional “10-year” residency that is granted or sometimes bestowed to by government official. “I am a full-fledged citizen,” he explained.
On February 26, 2007, the Armenian parliament overwhelmingly approved the bill on dual citizenship, which allows members of the Diaspora to hold citizenship.
An announcement issued Wednesday by Armenia's Consulate General in Los Angeles indicated that Armenian embassies and consular mission were not accepting applications for dual-citizenship.
Armenia's Consul General in Los Angeles, Armen Liloyan, told Asbarez that no one had yet applied for dual citizenship in Los Angeles, adding that now that the processes and mechanisms for that application have been directed to the consular offices, he welcomed all Diasporans to take advantage of this provision.
Armenia's Ambassador to the US, Tatul Markarian, echoed Liloyan's statements and added that no one has yet received dual citizenship, effectively making Sassounian the first Diasporan to receive dual-citizenship.
Liloyan explained that he and others in the Consulate will be making the rounds on various Armenian television programs to promote dual-citizenship and answer the public's questions about the process.
He also explained that this provision is mainly for Diaspora Armenians, adding that former Armenian citizens who are living in the Diaspora can apply for re-instatement of their citizenship, which he said was a simple logistical process.
The dual-citizenship law stipulates that people of Armenian descent over the age of 18 can apply for Armenian citizenship and must have a three-year permanent residency in the country.
The applicant must be able to speak Armenian and have familiarity with the country's constitution. Citizenship may be granted to couples, where one of the spouses or their children is citizens of Armenia.
The bill denies Armenian citizenship to people whose activity may damage the country's national interests. Dual citizenship law allows for participation in the elections, with proof of residency. However, dual citizens cannot seek elected office. Dual citizens may hold ministerial posts, but cannot run for parliament or president.
People with dual citizenship may serve in the Armenian army, but they are exempt from it if they have served 12 months in the armed forces of the country of their primary citizenship or 18 months as alternative military service. It also says citizens of Armenia who have received a second citizenship would not be exempt from mandatory service in the Armenian armed forces.
The Armenian Revolutionary Federation, which was the main proponent of the right to dual nationality, welcomed the adoption of the bill and on that day its deputies celebrated it with an improvised reception promptly held in their parliament offices.
"This law is an opportunity to consolidate our nation," then ARF faction member Ruben Hovsepian, said. "This legislation will allow Armenian living in different countries to consider themselves full-fledged citizens of Armenia," he said.
Armenia's Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian also has welcomed this provision.
In an interview with the Tehran-based Huys newspaper in October, Oskanian stressed that dual citizenship will allow the dispersed Armenian population around the world to strengthen its ties with the homeland.
Oskanian said dual citizenship would allow Armenia to strengthen its resources and maintain its position in the ever-evolving world.
“One part of our new resources will come from Armenia and the other part from the Diaspora,” added Oskanian.



Friday, March 28, 2008

The article cleary confirms that Sassounian received dual citizenship while visiting the RA. Hence, he was not a permanent resident when he obtained dual citizenship and received dual citizenship contrary to the newly enacted law.

[Neli]

:naughty:Local Publisher Becomes First to Receive Dual-Citizenship to Armenia

BY ARA KHACHATOURIAN

GLENDALE--A recent visit to Armenia by Lincy Foundation Vice-President and the Publisher of the Glendale-based California Courier had more in store for him than a busy schedule of meetings and appearances. While in Armenia, Harut Sassounian became a citizen of Armenia--one of the first to receive dual-citizenship under a new law ratified in February 2007.
Sassounian, who is also the Executive Director of the United Armenia Fund, has traveled to Armenia countless times since 1989. This last visit, however, was very special.
“I knew about the law,” Sassounian said, “but I didn't know that the government has started enacting it.”
After hearing that, in fact, mechanisms were in place for this process, Sassounian decided to apply in Armenia.
He explained that the process required the completion of a lengthy application, background checks, medical forms and other information. Before the completion of his trip, he was granted citizenship, perhaps becoming the first Diasporan-Armenian to receive citizenship based on this new law.
Sassounian explained that this was not the traditional “10-year” residency that is granted or sometimes bestowed to by government official. “I am a full-fledged citizen,” he explained.
On February 26, 2007, the Armenian parliament overwhelmingly approved the bill on dual citizenship, which allows members of the Diaspora to hold citizenship.
An announcement issued Wednesday by Armenia's Consulate General in Los Angeles indicated that Armenian embassies and consular mission were not accepting applications for dual-citizenship.
Armenia's Consul General in Los Angeles, Armen Liloyan, told Asbarez that no one had yet applied for dual citizenship in Los Angeles, adding that now that the processes and mechanisms for that application have been directed to the consular offices, he welcomed all Diasporans to take advantage of this provision.
Armenia's Ambassador to the US, Tatul Markarian, echoed Liloyan's statements and added that no one has yet received dual citizenship, effectively making Sassounian the first Diasporan to receive dual-citizenship.
Liloyan explained that he and others in the Consulate will be making the rounds on various Armenian television programs to promote dual-citizenship and answer the public's questions about the process.
He also explained that this provision is mainly for Diaspora Armenians, adding that former Armenian citizens who are living in the Diaspora can apply for re-instatement of their citizenship, which he said was a simple logistical process.
The dual-citizenship law stipulates that people of Armenian descent over the age of 18 can apply for Armenian citizenship and must have a three-year permanent residency in the country.
The applicant must be able to speak Armenian and have familiarity with the country's constitution. Citizenship may be granted to couples, where one of the spouses or their children is citizens of Armenia.
The bill denies Armenian citizenship to people whose activity may damage the country's national interests. Dual citizenship law allows for participation in the elections, with proof of residency. However, dual citizens cannot seek elected office. Dual citizens may hold ministerial posts, but cannot run for parliament or president.
People with dual citizenship may serve in the Armenian army, but they are exempt from it if they have served 12 months in the armed forces of the country of their primary citizenship or 18 months as alternative military service. It also says citizens of Armenia who have received a second citizenship would not be exempt from mandatory service in the Armenian armed forces.
The Armenian Revolutionary Federation, which was the main proponent of the right to dual nationality, welcomed the adoption of the bill and on that day its deputies celebrated it with an improvised reception promptly held in their parliament offices.
"This law is an opportunity to consolidate our nation," then ARF faction member Ruben Hovsepian, said. "This legislation will allow Armenian living in different countries to consider themselves full-fledged citizens of Armenia," he said.
Armenia's Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian also has welcomed this provision.
In an interview with the Tehran-based Huys newspaper in October, Oskanian stressed that dual citizenship will allow the dispersed Armenian population around the world to strengthen its ties with the homeland.
Oskanian said dual citizenship would allow Armenia to strengthen its resources and maintain its position in the ever-evolving world.
“One part of our new resources will come from Armenia and the other part from the Diaspora,” added Oskanian.

INCH PETKA UtOOm.dUAL EN EL VORTEGHVAAA hYASTANI VOR IRA GORZERE IRA SHENoRKIN TEGHAMATRKANTSOV KHAYTARAKERA KARIK CHENK EZGOOM Dual sitizen.me kich dra pokharen Dasyeraki TEGHAMARTkants.ira hin metazelakerpov yev verabermoonkov .khaytarakia vor dzer kakeri mej mez el dzer Passov kharnek chepsin janachatsrelek dzez ashkharin ,getin el chen metnoom der lezoonerner yerkara .dzer kanayk el aseloo ban chen,heto Turkerin ek asoom ,derantseets el arajek khepe.:mad:der inch asoomes karzes te pati hetes khosoom.shenorkits Zoork.menak blblatsnoomen 2 bar hyeren verjatsav karzes .toorkatselek byts che vor ooghaki ertak mosqe.varkov yev amen inchov .parskahyeri mej el kan bits en tarikARAZ neri vor der laven logh talis.irants karzoomen 18 tarekanen.

Friday, March 28, 2008

[freakyfreaky]

So much for the three year permanent residency requirement. I wonder how much Harout had to pay Robert for the honor. Harout is such a boob.

[Neli]

shat baner ka vor ches karogh DRAmov arnes.1.khoske vor mekin asoomes ches karogh het arnes.2.mee vat $$ mekin anes noren dramov ches karogh het vejares.soooooooo ???hyastantseeket sirOumek amen inche dramov arnek .Martkants Pativ nel tanek heto asek verjatsav.shat hangist che?minchev dzer gelkhin nooyne chepatahee chek en berni.dook oorishnerin inch koozek hashvek vochnchasnek.heto dzedz koozek amenke dzez goven hargen ,patven.zarmanalee a iskapes .oorishneri RIGHT e poghov votnahares.arjekits ketses .bits koozek amenke dzez pativ tan.hargen.arjek tan.mart ZARMANOOMA.vor der lezooneret chek khekhtoom.der avel yerkarooma ,Roberte oom shoone elni????????????? ov oorishin tsazer hamari iran tangatsni yes votit tak kanem.oozooma tagavor elni kam el vor yerkri shoone,tarberootyoon chooni.ov ira chape chepahi koozi mez te pokr kam jahel te parav ,aghchik te tegha ,motik te heroo .nooynna im hantep .lavin lav vatin amena vat e tsootst ketam.arajmes es kane.

[ddd]

Would like a quick short answer if anyone has one... I was born in Armenia, but am a citizen of the US. I never served for the Armenian army (came to the US at a young age). Is a dual citizenship possible for me? If so, will I have to serve for the army?

[freakyfreaky]

Military service is not compulsory. You may serve voluntarily though under certain circumstances.

The latter questions rests on several variables though. One of them appears to be how much money are you willing to pay as tribute.

But, as you may be considered a former citizen of the RA, you may be able to apply for simple re-instatement of your citizenship.

When did you come to the U.S.?
Are you over the age of 18?
Were you a permanent resident of RA pending submission of your application? (this does not appear to be required if you can cough up dram as a tribute)
Do you speak Armenian?

Advice is as good as what you pay for it. Thus, free advice is often worthless.

[Armanen]

Would like a quick short answer if anyone has one... I was born in Armenia, but am a citizen of the US. I never served for the Armenian army (came to the US at a young age). Is a dual citizenship possible for me? If so, will I have to serve for the army?


Unless you are over the age of 27 or have served 2 years in the armed forces of the u.s. then you will have to serve in the Armenian army. Check out the Foreign Ministry of Armenia's website for more info.

[ddd]

Unless you are over the age of 27 or have served 2 years in the armed forces of the u.s. then you will have to serve in the Armenian army. Check out the Foreign Ministry of Armenia's website for more info.

Perfect, thank you very much.

[crusader1492]

Military service is not compulsory. You may serve voluntarily though under certain circumstances.


Esh, where do you get your information from? Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

Military service is compulsory. Read Armanen's post for the details.

[crusader1492]

Perfect, thank you very much.

If you become a citizen and join the Armenia's Army, good luck to you! I actually envy you.

[freakyfreaky]

Armanen's info is not accurate.

It is the difference between may, can and must. But, you would not understand such intricacies.

The statute on this issue differs in language depending on which branch of the government has cared to publish it. And, any English copy is suspect re: spelling, grammar, etc.

Obviously, military service is not compulsory if there are 'exceptions' to service. Plenty of them to be exact. And, you can pay your way out of non-compliance. Puhleeze. Its not like woman are required to serve in the Armed Forces. You know carry a gun like a female conscript in the Israeli Armed Forces.

Compulsory. Pffffffffflllllllllllllllstttttttttt!!!

[ddd]

If you become a citizen and join the Armenia's Army, good luck to you! I actually envy you.

Save the envy, as it will most likely not happen (the joining the army part, not the becoming a citizen part). Although I am going to offer health related services (dental) free of charge several weeks to a month out of the year, if not more, starting next year.

[Armanen]

Save the envy, as it will most likely not happen (the joining the army part, not the becoming a citizen part). Although I am going to offer health related services (dental) free of charge several weeks to a month out of the year, if not more, starting next year.


You will be offering this to random people that come in? And will you be in Yerevan or another city?

[ddd]

You will be offering this to random people that come in? And will you be in Yerevan or another city?

I believe the clinic (which is non-profit owned) is in Yerevan, and not exactly sure how they choose their patients, but I would hope anyone can just walk in.

[Armanen]

I believe the clinic (which is non-profit owned) is in Yerevan, and not exactly sure how they choose their patients, but I would hope anyone can just walk in.


That's cool, glad to see you are giving back with your skills, I hope to do the same soon!

[freakyfreaky]

Key official in RA agency responsible for passports and visas canned over corruption claims. http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2008/07/64F5628C-F437-4E56-A4C5-46FF683C2274.ASP

Among other things...

"Zakarian has also been a target of frequent opposition attacks ever since her agency officially certified in early 1998 that then Prime Minister Robert Kocharian has permanently resided in Armenia for the previous ten years and can therefore run for president. Kocharian had served as president of Nagorno-Karabakh before moving to Yerevan in 1997. His opponents say he was therefore not eligible to stand in the presidential elections held in 1998 and 2003."

[crusader1492]

My Terrain,

Anyone of Armenian decent can now recieve dual citizenship. All one has to do is meet the criteria for citizenship and apply.

[freakyfreaky]

Heck, if you had enough money, then, in the immediate past, they may have possibly overlooked whether or not you were actually of Armenian descent. That possibility may have disappeared now that they sacked the head of the OVIR agency.

[Armanen]

Crus didn't know that. What are the criteria?


It's posted on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Armenia.