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    Local Publisher Becomes First to Receive Dual-Citizenship to Armenia

    BY ARA KHACHATOURIAN

    GLENDALE--A recent visit to Armenia by Lincy Foundation Vice-President and the Publisher of the Glendale-based California Courier had more in store for him than a busy schedule of meetings and appearances. While in Armenia, Harut Sassounian became a citizen of Armenia--one of the first to receive dual-citizenship under a new law ratified in February 2007.
    Sassounian, who is also the Executive Director of the United Armenia Fund, has traveled to Armenia countless times since 1989. This last visit, however, was very special.
    “I knew about the law,” Sassounian said, “but I didn't know that the government has started enacting it.”
    After hearing that, in fact, mechanisms were in place for this process, Sassounian decided to apply in Armenia.
    He explained that the process required the completion of a lengthy application, background checks, medical forms and other information. Before the completion of his trip, he was granted citizenship, perhaps becoming the first Diasporan-Armenian to receive citizenship based on this new law.
    Sassounian explained that this was not the traditional “10-year” residency that is granted or sometimes bestowed to by government official. “I am a full-fledged citizen,” he explained.
    On February 26, 2007, the Armenian parliament overwhelmingly approved the bill on dual citizenship, which allows members of the Diaspora to hold citizenship.
    An announcement issued Wednesday by Armenia's Consulate General in Los Angeles indicated that Armenian embassies and consular mission were not accepting applications for dual-citizenship.
    Armenia's Consul General in Los Angeles, Armen Liloyan, told Asbarez that no one had yet applied for dual citizenship in Los Angeles, adding that now that the processes and mechanisms for that application have been directed to the consular offices, he welcomed all Diasporans to take advantage of this provision.
    Armenia's Ambassador to the US, Tatul Markarian, echoed Liloyan's statements and added that no one has yet received dual citizenship, effectively making Sassounian the first Diasporan to receive dual-citizenship.
    Liloyan explained that he and others in the Consulate will be making the rounds on various Armenian television programs to promote dual-citizenship and answer the public's questions about the process.
    He also explained that this provision is mainly for Diaspora Armenians, adding that former Armenian citizens who are living in the Diaspora can apply for re-instatement of their citizenship, which he said was a simple logistical process.
    The dual-citizenship law stipulates that people of Armenian descent over the age of 18 can apply for Armenian citizenship and must have a three-year permanent residency in the country.
    The applicant must be able to speak Armenian and have familiarity with the country's constitution. Citizenship may be granted to couples, where one of the spouses or their children is citizens of Armenia.
    The bill denies Armenian citizenship to people whose activity may damage the country's national interests. Dual citizenship law allows for participation in the elections, with proof of residency. However, dual citizens cannot seek elected office. Dual citizens may hold ministerial posts, but cannot run for parliament or president.
    People with dual citizenship may serve in the Armenian army, but they are exempt from it if they have served 12 months in the armed forces of the country of their primary citizenship or 18 months as alternative military service. It also says citizens of Armenia who have received a second citizenship would not be exempt from mandatory service in the Armenian armed forces.
    The Armenian Revolutionary Federation, which was the main proponent of the right to dual nationality, welcomed the adoption of the bill and on that day its deputies celebrated it with an improvised reception promptly held in their parliament offices.
    "This law is an opportunity to consolidate our nation," then ARF faction member Ruben Hovsepian, said. "This legislation will allow Armenian living in different countries to consider themselves full-fledged citizens of Armenia," he said.
    Armenia's Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian also has welcomed this provision.
    In an interview with the Tehran-based Huys newspaper in October, Oskanian stressed that dual citizenship will allow the dispersed Armenian population around the world to strengthen its ties with the homeland.
    Oskanian said dual citizenship would allow Armenia to strengthen its resources and maintain its position in the ever-evolving world.
    “One part of our new resources will come from Armenia and the other part from the Diaspora,” added Oskanian.



    Friday, March 28, 2008

  • #2
    Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

    Originally posted by freakyfreaky
    Umm, you can't amend the constitutional residency requirements by statute. That's not how you amend constitutions.
    ...spoken like a true yenta.

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    • #3
      Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

      Ok, smarty pants, ask Mr. Sassounian to show you a copy of the law he relied on to apply for dual citizenship wherein it provides notice of the procedure and the substantive rights obtained.

      The constitution was amended by a questionable referendum in 2005.

      Why don't you consider why it was questionable - the passage rate appears to have been lowered to 1/4 of percent such that they allowed to constitution to be amended with respect to the referendum without a referendum.

      Since that date, I am aware of no statute being enacted concerning dual citizenship such that its terms are merely, capriciously spoken. The NA website has not been updated in sometime and the President's website is down.

      Call the embassy, ask them to send you a copy. So how fast you get it. Post it here. Go for it. Show up or zip it.

      Then, ask Mr. Sassounian to explain how Robert Kocharian became president under the pre-2005 RA Constitution. And, then ask him, if a former Soviet Azeri can become president of Armenia merely by moving to Armenian then why can't an American Armenian.

      I summise that Mr. Sassounian is being used to gather information about the diaspora. He's a tool and so are you. The sad irony of dual citizenship being given an Armenian-American publisher and officer of one of the largest third party donors to Armenia almost immediately after a media crackdown imposed for no legitimate purpose. Now, the taxman shakes down the Armenia media.

      L8r tool.
      Last edited by freakyfreaky; 04-01-2008, 01:16 PM.
      Between childhood, boyhood,
      adolescence
      & manhood (maturity) there
      should be sharp lines drawn w/
      Tests, deaths, feats, rites
      stories, songs & judgements

      - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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      • #4
        Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

        are you done?

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        • #5
          Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

          No response tool, nothing new. Undisputed.
          Between childhood, boyhood,
          adolescence
          & manhood (maturity) there
          should be sharp lines drawn w/
          Tests, deaths, feats, rites
          stories, songs & judgements

          - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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          • #6
            Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

            Asbarez issues a retraction on dual citizenship story stating that the embassies and consulates are not accepting applications. Apparently, now they are accepting applications. Call em, ask them for a copy of the statute and an application. You can e-mail em.

            Between childhood, boyhood,
            adolescence
            & manhood (maturity) there
            should be sharp lines drawn w/
            Tests, deaths, feats, rites
            stories, songs & judgements

            - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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            • #7
              Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

              Counsular Affairs Section of the Armenian Embassy, Washington, DC.

              Info on how to apply for Armenian Citizenship:

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              • #8
                Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

                This is funny. Compare the FM and the NA's versions of the dual citizenship law.



                Things that make my hair rise "simplified procedure" which is so simple that it is not explained or defined, the fact that the government may allow you to have dual citizenship but they won't recognize it, and there are different versions of it depending on whether you go the legislature or executive branch and the President ultimately controls whether you get it or not.

                Frickin shabby if you ask me.

                And, the funny thing about the application is that you can take a driving test in California in Armenian but you can be an Armenian and not get a citizenship application for your homeland in English or Spanish or French, etc.

                Even funnier is that the road signs in Karabakh identify the cities using English.

                How many English speaking people reside in Karabakh?
                How many English speaking tourist travel to Karabakh on a yearly basis?
                How many Armenians speak, read, write English or Western Armenian better than Eastern Armenian.
                If you answer the Armenian application in English, are they going to read it?

                Is anything ever simple in the RA?
                Between childhood, boyhood,
                adolescence
                & manhood (maturity) there
                should be sharp lines drawn w/
                Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                stories, songs & judgements

                - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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                • #9
                  Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

                  have you been to Armenia before freaky?
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dual Citizenship - Now A Reality

                    I don't see how that has any bearing on this topic. Care to illuminate me? Is there somewhere in the new code that requires you to have visited Armenia before?

                    You obviously agree with my position, so I guess in your own guilt you feel you must go after me.
                    Last edited by freakyfreaky; 04-04-2008, 02:47 PM.
                    Between childhood, boyhood,
                    adolescence
                    & manhood (maturity) there
                    should be sharp lines drawn w/
                    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                    stories, songs & judgements

                    - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

                    Comment

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