CA Bond Referendums

[loseyourname]

What do the Californians here think? Yes or no on the Governator's bond measures?

[Anonymouse]

Who cares? I certainly don't. Do you? I think you do. So why not keep it to yourself?

[jilbagh]

55-yes
56-NO
57-yes
58-yes

[surferarmo]

Originally posted by jilbagh 55-yes
56-NO
57-yes
58-yes

Ditto.

I will add though.

Prop 56-HELL NO!
Prop 55 I am still deciding on.

[sSsflamesSs]

Not to be politically ignorant or anything...oh, wait, I am :D ...but what do Props 55-58 represent?

[surferarmo]

Originally posted by sSsflamesSs Not to be politically ignorant or anything...oh, wait, I am :D ...but what do Props 55-58 represent?

55 is a bond for public schools and higher education. k-12 would get a xxxx load more money, and UCs and State schools would get a chunk too.

58 is a balance budget act. It ensures that there will be a reserve in fiscal crises, also it allows the governor to declare fiscal emergency. When he/she does this, the assembly and senate must drop other legislative matters and focus solely on the budget and come up with a legislative solution.

[jilbagh]

Originally posted by surferarmo Ditto.

I will add though.

Prop 56-HELL NO!
Prop 55 I am still deciding on.

wow we agree :D

if 56 passes, we're doomed...it'll be time to cut California into 2 states and move to Vegas :D

[surferarmo]

Originally posted by jilbagh wow we agree :D

if 56 passes, we're doomed...it'll be time to cut California into 2 states and move to Vegas :D

Voting yes on Prop 56 is like giving the State of California my paycheck whenever they ask.

Budgets need to be detailed, precise and articulated so that assurances can be made. If this passes, it will be a disaster. I dont think it will.

[surferarmo]

There are also municipal bonds that the local government is trying to pass in my area. Measure F and D. D would give a city bond to a local community college. However, Community college is already cheap. The prices rose once! UC's and State schools had their tuition raise twice, and it will raise againg. They went from paying $13.00 a unit to like $18.00 or $20.00. The demographics of Santa Cruz also do not require such a bond. It will only raise taxes for a useless cause. There are two elementary schools which were threatened to close down. A bond passed in a special election, however, it was only temporary.

Measure F will raise sales tax another .25% !!! We already have some of the highest taxes in the union. The extra money will go to the "General City Fund" Since it is not a specific fund, and the budget isnt even written out yet, I am voting "no"

[jilbagh]

Originally posted by surferarmo There are also municipal bonds that the local government is trying to pass in my area. Measure F and D. D would give a city bond to a local community college. However, Community college is already cheap. The prices rose once! UC's and State schools had their tuition raise twice, and it will raise againg. They went from paying $13.00 a unit to like $18.00 or $20.00. The demographics of Santa Cruz also do not require such a bond. It will only raise taxes for a useless cause. There are two elementary schools which were threatened to close down. A bond passed in a special election, however, it was only temporary.

Measure F will raise sales tax another .25% !!! We already have some of the highest taxes in the union. The extra money will go to the "General City Fund" Since it is not a specific fund, and the budget isnt even written out yet, I am voting "no"

Good thing we don't pay the taxes Canadians do! Commuinity College fee's are going up to $26 in Fall.

I believe the Meas. F 'General city Fund' is going towards making up the money that was taken away from public service from the latest budget cuts. I've heard it would be disbursed between (i.e. 33% LA County Sherriff, 33% LAPD, 33% the fire, paramedics and any other public safety service) Thats to insure that we don't lose the police force we have and could put a few more blue on the streets. Thats what I have heard about it the extra .25% tax.

How about just add a penny tax to everything, every transaction people would pay a penny. No matter what the amount , 1 cent. Just imagine how many sales transactions go on everyday, and how much could be collected :D ...just an idea :confused:

[ckBejug]

55 ($12,300,000,000 bond- money for education to relieve overcrowding and repair older schools)- Yes

56 (instead of 2/3rds, percentage of votes required to pass a state budget or raise taxes lowered to 55%)- No no no

57 ($15,000,000,000 bond to retire the deficit)- Yes

58 (enactment of a balanced budget and establishing a budget reserve)- Yes

[sSsflamesSs]

Thanks, ck and surfer. :)

Oh, and surfer, when I write 55-58, I mean 55, 56, 57, and 58. It's called shorthand.

[loseyourname]

I'm really flirting with a no on 57, and judging from letters to the times, it is very unpopular. Perhaps it's just cynicism, but I'm morbidly curious to see what these "Armageddon cuts" would bring about. Part of me suspects it might not be all that bad. Less government is almost always good government.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Who cares?

Consciencious citizens of the state. We already know that doesn't include the big rebel pimp who invalidates government by going to a state school and paying state taxes.

So why not keep it to yourself?

Because it is a public ballot, voted on by the public. In order for this process to work properly, there must be public discussion. It's actually a fairly simple concept.

[Anonymouse]

Oh I forgot, it's only for those dupes who believe that voting is cool because of the illusion that "they are the government", something made all the more laughable since it is precisely why the income tax and IRS and Federal Reserve are all illegal entities.

Thanks to boneheads like you that have continuously voted for big government, we now have an empire, the complete polar opposite of what the framers of this Constitution designed. "Democracy" is a sham, so is "the public" ( a holistic entity ).

I suggest reading George Washington's farewell address loser.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse the income tax and IRS and Federal Reserve are all illegal entities.

I can see how you might make an argument for the Federal Reserve, but how can you call those other entities illegal? The income tax is written into the US Constitution and it's hard to imagine it being effective without an IRS.

Thanks to boneheads like you that have continuously voted for big government

Now you know what I've voted for. Your clairvoyance never ceases to amaze me. It's because of pseudointellectual stoners like you that sit around whining about big government but vote on nothing that might change, nor do anything else to change it, that we have what we have.

we now have an empire, the complete polar opposite of what the framers of this Constitution designed.

Do you think I am not aware of this? Your answer is to sit on your ass and get high while reading? If you don't like the country, and you aren't willing to do anything to help in move back to its roots, then leave. Nobody is forcing you to stay here.

"Democracy" is a sham, so is "the public" ( a holistic entity ).

So is your hollow rhetoric.

I suggest reading George Washington's farewell address loser.

I have. I suggest finding a passage in it that says crying and whining and refusing to vote is the way to better governance.