Glendale is for me!

[MovsesSinan]

I live in Glendale.
Glendale is very nice.
There are no racists there.

[XxgoeyxX]

I live in Glendale.
Glendale is very nice.
There are no racists there.



Your a GENIUS!..............

[Harut82]

Your a GENIUS!..............

also the oldest person here. DOB 1920 :eek:

[!EEK]

Oo :eek: Be kind to him, it is surely his first try with internet, we better not scare him off.

[!EEK]

Oo how rude of me! I thought it was a 15 year old kid. An he is born in Sep 21. A day ahead of me. OOhh..Harut what would I do without you???

Why a 15yo kid?

[Genuine_Stud]

I live in Glendale.
Glendale is very nice.
There are no racists there.

Screw Glendale.... yea I said it. :evil:

There are plenty of racists there on many levels.... even amongst Armenians.

[HyePrincess]

u guys for some reason i dont think hes armenian not that i have a problem with it but if he is what im thinking he is then i do have a problem with him............................................... ........................ cuz a normal armenian wouldnt post such a stupit topic no offense

[Harut82]

cuz a normal armenian wouldnt post such a stupit topic no offense

obviously you havnt been here long enough to see some stupid topics.

One that comes to mind was a guy who posted looking for a mate :laugh:

[Crimson Glow]

Haha. "There are no racists there". This comment makes me wonder:
"Are Armenians targeted racially in America"?
Anyone care to comment on that?

How can they be targeted racially in America, when (I'll go out on a limb and say) probably a good 90% of America has never even heard of Armenians, much less know enough about them to decide if they're going to descriminate/be prejudice towards them? You Cali Armos really don't seem to get that we're not known much of anywhere else in this country, do you? :confused:

[GSTracer05]

Screw Glendale.... yea I said it. :evil:

There are plenty of racists there on many levels.... even amongst Armenians.

I agree. I can't stand Glendale.

[Tigranes]

Haha. "There are no racists there". This comment makes me wonder:
"Are Armenians targeted racially in America"?
Anyone care to comment on that?

Yeap, mostly by xxxs but mexifornians and negroes target Armenians and other Whites as well.

[Anonymouse]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/12/jeopardy.winner.ap/story.ken.jennings.ap.jpg

"I'll take "I Love Glendale" for 600 please Alex."

[CatWoman]

I live in Glendale.
Glendale is very nice.
There are no racists there.

Maybe so... but its most certainly NOT for me, I hate LA... too many cars!!! GRRRRR I was stuck in traffic for almost an hour this morning, and another hour in the afternoon, what's up with that? That's like 2hours of my life wasted inside my car! Not good!

I really think whoever made this post was being sarcastic!

[steelers10]

No offense to any Californians, but to be honest the west coast sucks. The east coast is where it is at. All the cool kids are here.

[thedebutante]

No offense to any Californians, but to be honest the west coast sucks. The east coast is where it is at. All the cool kids are here.

None taken buddy. We don't like you either. I mean this in a good way.

[Harut82]

The east coast is where it is at.

Can you pleas translate?

the east coast is where what is at?

Hurricanes?? :confused:

[Hayq]

East Coast Rules! Screw Kripsy Kream, heil Dunkin Donuts!

On a more Serious note, Glendale was a very nice city. Armenians ruined it, and I can honestly say I hope they beat the xxxx out of every Armenian who thinks he is better than the average citizen of Glendale. it used to be amongst the greatest cities in California! As did Burbank! Keep em Clean fellow Armenians, or else your arse will be thrown into jail!

[XxgoeyxX]

Hahaa Harut that was so funny...your so cute!

[Harut82]

Reminds me of the movie "How High" I havnt seen the movie but ive seen the previews. :in an asain accent: "you east coast? I faaar eaast coast"

[steelers10]

HAHA....every person has their domain...i just wanted to see the response i would get by making that comment...haha

[Harut82]

hahaha...NOhttp://socalrsxforums.com/forums/images/smilies/hahano.gif

[Hayq]

interesting.
yet another self hating Armenian.
I got a couple of questions for you.
when you say Glendale WAS a very nice city, WHEN are your referring to?
were you around when "glendale WAS a nice city"?
if so what is it about Armenians that "turned" Glendale or Burbank into this so-called "unnice" city?
if not, what are you basing your "thoughts" on?
(and it's funny you mention Burbank cuz according to census, Burbank is one of the fastest growing cities in the country... socially and most importantly economically)

I am not self hating, prove that I am self hating. Hating a few Armenians does not make me self hating. Glendale was nice in the 80s. I was not around, my aunts and uncles were. The reason why Armenians have ruined parts of it is because of them bringing their Armenian Egos of being Superior to others here. There is constant friction between Armenians and Locals...as far as I am concerned, the more harsh they are on Armenians, the better. So tired of the damn Rabiz crap it is nto even funny.

This is the same reason why Mexicans never succeed, they come from Mexico bringing all their ways of life to America and creating an Artificial Mexico. Armenians need to become part of the society and communicate a lot more with the local whites. They should also have RESPECT for laws, that means when a sign says NO U-TURN, you better not make a phuckiing U-TURN!

Armenians need to preserve their Roots and Language along with becomming active with the community. In a sense, a double life. Just my thoughts.

BTW, IMO, the only self hating Armenians are the ones who ignore the problems and continue to act as if everything were perfect.

[CatWoman]

I am not self hating, prove that I am self hating. Hating a few Armenians does not make me self hating.
A few Armenians? dude you're literally saying that Armenians ruined Glendale, just a few Armenians can't ruin a city.... the impression I got from your post was that Armenians as a whole are so bad that they ruined a beautiful city.

[hyebruin]

A few Armenians? dude you're literally saying that Armenians ruined Glendale, just a few Armenians can't ruin a city.... the impression I got from your post was that Armenians as a whole are so bad that they ruined a beautiful city.

come now, can you blame the guy? i mean sure, we have contributed a lot to the growth of the city and there are many upstanding armenian glendalians; but as far as the IMAGE goes, yeahhhhh huhhhh! it's been ruined! and the worst day out of the year is 04/24; what do these youth do on the other 364 days of the year besides acting stupid, gettin high, loitering, committing crime/fraud....etc.

...and on that one day they suddenly become "devoted" to their culture! B.S.!!! if they cared about the 'armenian cause' they'd start with themselves first and clean up their act and make something of themselves and make their community proud!

being loud and driving expensive cars with big shiny rims does not "earn respect", however education, dignity, and humility not only bring respect, they also empower, and give you a voice and make people listen to what you have to say....

[CatWoman]

hyebruin your point is completely different from hayq's. He's talking about what people did to the city, he even mentioned, keep em clean fellow Armenians. You said it yourself, we've contributed alot to the growth of the city. I completely agree with you about how some Armenians represent themselves, and ruin our "reputation" but not the "city".

[Genuine_Stud]

Dude.... BOTTOM LINE....

The city is great, it's the people and their attitude that kill it.

[HyePrincess]

god i hate it when an armenian starts talkin bout this and that that we runied glendale we runied burbank its enough we get it from other races we dont have to get it from our own race to (armenians) actually burbank and glendale are one of the safiest cities in our area. like once some of u guyz were sayin ya its true the armenians in glendale most of them not all live in an aparment and drive beamerz and benz ya it might be true but just keep it to your self cuz if an odar comes in here and dosent like armenians and says these things some of you people are saying that person will sent all the people hes tryin to prove wrong to this site and say see even ur own fellow armenians say so

[Hayq]

RESPECT THE LAW! Do you know how many non-Armenians from Glendale complain about Armenians? Dear god! 1 is too many.

It stands firm, that the majority of the Armenians who contribute to the society have been their for a while. All the new arrivals are nothing more than thugs and criminals who never even had a bicycle in Armenia and how drive Benz and BMWs.

Other races do it, but it is Armenian ego and the constant feeling that we are "better" than everyone else that drives me mad. Armenians have helped Glendale, but not ALL armenians help out.

Honestly, mates. Especially you HyePrincess. It is the TRUTH. So if no Odar sees this, that Armenians themselves know their own flaw, that means we are still somehow going to be good people? NO! All the Armenian filth needs to be exposed and embarassed to such a degree that they would begin to respect the law and others.

My father's friend is a perfect example of what a typical Armenian is. He opened up a business, made a lot of money in the first couple of months. He is a very smart man, instead of chosing to save the money for a rainy day, he decided that the good times would never stop and that he much rather buy an H2 and upgrade his house to a PALACE. Well, a year went by, and 9/11 happened. The government started getting stricter, so he lost his business. NOW, he is under heavy loans and has to pay not only 1600dollars a month for the H2, not only 3000dollars for his house, not only 1500 for his SECOND house (that wont sell and he is stuck with), but he has to hide it all under he also has to pay for his daughters College Education.

yes, some phucking genius Armenians are. Dont be embarassed for the fault of other Armenians. It is better if they are left to fend for themselves than be protected by the cleaner Armenians who do the best they can to earn money (legally) and be respected by the community.

The only self haters are the ones who lie to themselves, like you hyeprincess and catwoman. (lol, locking horns with chix, very smooth move)

[HyeJinx1984]

Why does everyone hate Glendale so much? It's got almost everything you could want.

[angelik22]

there are people with atitudes everywhere u go- not only lendale -just because theres more of a concentration of them- doesnt mean its the only city with people who "kill it" .... personally I DONT CARE... thats the best solution to everything right now.... once u start not to care- things become clearer-
tah- tah

[Hayq]

lolAngelik, the more you ignore it, the worse it gets. If I were an Armenian Cop in Glendale, I would hand out AT LEAST 200 tickets a day to Armenians. They have to respect the law.

Glendale is a very nice city with a preety good mall! I love the Galeria, eat at Daphni's all the time. ;)

[angelik22]

yea try working there...ull get sick of the mall i swear!!

[Hayq]

lol where do you work?

Yeah. Thats what makes holidays FUN! Once a year, you have something to look forward to.

Hope you can find someway to make your day at the mall more fun! Buy a rubik's cube or something.

[Harut82]

Why does everyone hate Glendale so much? It's got almost everything you could want.

I've noitced that people who live there are the ones who hate it.

[GSTracer05]

I've worked in Glendale for over 6 years. ON the border of glendale/burbank. I can't stand both cities. Too many Armenians in one place is not a good thing. From MY experiences, they are obnoxious, big mouth, show-off, demanding, cheap, ungreatful, and selfish. They believe that the United States OWES them for living on its land.

In comparing Armenians from Glendale/Burbank/Hollywood & North Hollywood, with ones that live in Northridge, Granada Hills, Calabasas, Woodland Hills, West Hills and other non heavily Armenian populated cities, I would say I've had a pleasant experience meeting 95%+ of the armenians from the non heavily armenian populated cities. They are more civilized and respectful to those around themselves. Thats just my opinion. Given, there are some very nice people in the whole Glendale/Burbank area, but faaaar too few.

[HyeJinx1984]

Wow, if Glendale has too many Armenians in one place that you can't stand, you'd die in Yerevan...

[XxgoeyxX]

Yes Jinx God forbid us Armenians are around other Armenians. :crying:

[MadHandle]

I gotta visit Glandale sometime....

[Hayq]

no. The Armenians who have a problem with the Armenians in glendale happen to be more Americanized and tend to see the world differently. Too many Armenians in Glendale means that Armenians do not have the chance to soak in the local customs bcause they tend to stick together. There are many nice things white people could teach Armenians (democracy, cooperation, etc) and Armenians could teach the whites a few thigns as well (not to be dry, food, culture).

[XxgoeyxX]

no. The Armenians who have a problem with the Armenians in glendale happen to be more Americanized and tend to see the world differently. Too many Armenians in Glendale means that Armenians do not have the chance to soak in the local customs bcause they tend to stick together. There are many nice things white people could teach Armenians (democracy, cooperation, etc) and Armenians could teach the whites a few thigns as well (not to be dry, food, culture).


What do you mean tend to see the world differently. Just because the dude next to me is more "Americanized" then I am doesnt mean he sees it any better or any different then I do. Please stop with this whole Americanized stuff. We are all Americanized in some shape or form. Duh...most of us have been living here our whole lives, what else do you expect????

The reason why we stick together is the reason why were are still alive for so long. How else can our culture grow and prosper if we start spreading around and not be together. (I do hope that makes sense.)

[MadHandle]

you'll love it!!
you'll feel like home. hehe
every store you enter is guaranteed to have pita bread and string cheese and even NUTELLA!
you don't have to know English... even El Pollo Loco has advertisement signs in Armo!
if you ever fall in love with the delivery guy, your mom doesn't hate you, cuz he's armenian!!
:D

so its Glendale...aka, little Armenia. I just got a feeling its gonna be 100% Armenian populated within a decade....I seen some senus sites and in like 2000 the Armenian population in Glendale was like 25 %(45000) now its like 40%...

[MadHandle]

no. The Armenians who have a problem with the Armenians in glendale happen to be more Americanized and tend to see the world differently. Too many Armenians in Glendale means that Armenians do not have the chance to soak in the local customs bcause they tend to stick together. There are many nice things white people could teach Armenians (democracy, cooperation, etc) and Armenians could teach the whites a few thigns as well (not to be dry, food, culture).

not really...Armenians will be Armenians no matter where their raised...trust me.

[GSTracer05]

What do you mean tend to see the world differently. Just because the dude next to me is more "Americanized" then I am doesnt mean he sees it any better or any different then I do. Please stop with this whole Americanized stuff. We are all Americanized in some shape or form. Duh...most of us have been living here our whole lives, what else do you expect????

The reason why we stick together is the reason why were are still alive for so long. How else can our culture grow and prosper if we start spreading around and not be together. (I do hope that makes sense.)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's right. I would consider myself more Americanized than you and you know I see things differently compared to you. (I'm not saying for better or worse, just different).

No offense but I'm just tired of this whole, let our culture grow and prosper by sticking together. Let's not associate with "odars". This is just a bunch of traditional nonsense. This isnt Armenia, everyone should be allowed to choose to do whatever they like without being criticized and labeled. You guys are living in your little Armenian bubble and are afraid to expand your horizons by meeting people and learning about different lifestyles, cultures, views, etc. You want a good example, go to the Burger King as CSUN. You have a bunch of armenians sitting playing cards and nardi and smoking and spitting at the ground and thinking they're oh so cool. Oh, and that's your local ASA and they want to "stick together".

[GSTracer05]

not really...Armenians will be Armenians no matter where their raised...trust me.

You think Armenians who have been born or raised their entire lives in the US are the same as Armenians living in Armenia? If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

[MadHandle]

You think Armenians who have been born or raised their entire lives in the US are the same as Armenians living in Armenia? If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

not exactly...but I'm sure they have certain "Armenian characteristics" that their not even aware its cuase their Armenian. Ofcoarse not in all cases...

[GSTracer05]

not exactly...but I'm sure they have certain "Armenian characteristics" that their not even aware its cuase their Armenian. Ofcoarse not in all cases...

Do give a few examples of these characteristics for us.

[XxgoeyxX]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's right. I would consider myself more Americanized than you and you know I see things differently compared to you. (I'm not saying for better or worse, just different).

No offense but I'm just tired of this whole, let our culture grow and prosper by sticking together. Let's not associate with "odars". This is just a bunch of traditional nonsense. This isnt Armenia, everyone should be allowed to choose to do whatever they like without being criticized and labeled. You guys are living in your little Armenian bubble and are afraid to expand your horizons by meeting people and learning about different lifestyles, cultures, views, etc. You want a good example, go to the Burger King as CSUN. You have a bunch of armenians sitting playing cards and nardi and smoking and spitting at the ground and thinking they're oh so cool. Oh, and that's your local ASA and they want to "stick together".


No dear you didnt burst my bubble..... realllllllllyyyyyy :D

OO please dont compare a bunch of idiots with some of these great Armenians. I see those everyday. I see how stupid they are...doesnt mean crap to me. Please dont bring up CSUN again...enough with that. yeah their dumn... so what??? who gives?? Pleaseeeee you are telling me something I already know. Your telling me something you have seen because its close to home and it easier to see their faults..... much much easier. Dont worry I see it too and it disgusts me.

Ummm... yeah you see things differenetly then me because we are not the same person and we have been raised in two different families.

Who said we should not accociate with "odars." NON of us here said we shouldnt accociate with odars. Just because some of us want to keep the culture alive by doing some things, other wouldnt do doesnt mean we dont want to let other cultures and other things influence us.

No this isnt Armenian...but we are Armenians. Like it or not we have this connection. We have this love for our people and our culture. And doing all this whatever it may be. whatever we do to keep that possible is not a bad thing. (as long as it in an approciate manner and im not talking about some of those idiots who abuse that). And all of us living in Glendale isnt a bad thing either. However once again some abuse that and start acting like little children.


Btw Andrew...I didnt mean to come out rude or anything. I just want you to see it that way. And I totally understand you.

[thedebutante]

You think Armenians who have been born or raised their entire lives in the US are the same as Armenians living in Armenia? If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

So is that bridge outside or what and is it just for him or are you putting it up for sale in general? Hahaha, sorry. My econ prof. used that umm..'joke' like everyday. But he also made out with the banister to get our attention.

Anyway. OMG! I am like sooooooooo armo. I really am and damn proud too. I don't live in Glendale, but hell, who cares.

[XxgoeyxX]

So is that bridge outside or what and is it just for him or are you putting it up for sale in general? Hahaha, sorry. My econ prof. used that umm..'joke' like everyday. But he also made out with the banister to get our attention.

Anyway. OMG! I am like sooooooooo armo. I really am and damn proud too. I don't live in Glendale, but hell, who cares.


wohowwwwwww...Miss Debutante...arent you proud of yourself. But damn I didnt get lucky either...I dont in live Glendale.... :crying:

[GSTracer05]

So is that bridge outside or what and is it just for him or are you putting it up for sale in general? Hahaha, sorry. My econ prof. used that umm..'joke' like everyday. But he also made out with the banister to get our attention.

Anyway. OMG! I am like sooooooooo armo. I really am and damn proud too. I don't live in Glendale, but hell, who cares.

I'd be willing to sell it to you too, but only if you promise to test out its height by jumping off of it. You're such a weirdo, I don't even know how to respond to your posts.

[thedebutante]

wohowwwwwww...Miss Debutante...arent you proud of yourself. But damn I didnt get lucky either...I dont in live Glendale.... :crying:

Yes. I'm also proud that I've made quite a handful of people wish they were Armenian. Let's just say the Armo club mailing list at my school has more non-armos than armos.

[TigranJamharian]

I was in Glendale for one night when i visited LA, and i gotta say i really loved it, id never seen so many Armenians together since i left Armenia and it gave me such a good feeling.

[thedebutante]

I'd be willing to sell it to you too, but only if you promise to test out its height by jumping off of it. You're such a weirdo, I don't even know how to respond to your posts.


Ummm...thanks? Dude, what's weird about it? I simply responded to your joke since everyone else ignored it.

[XxgoeyxX]

I was in Glendale for one night when i visited LA, and i gotta say i really loved it, id never seen so many Armenians together since i left Armenia and it gave me such a good feeling.


Tigran how long have you been in America?

[GSTracer05]

Ummm...thanks? Dude, what's weird about it? I simply responded to your joke since everyone else ignored it.

That's probably because you're the only one who got it. No offense, I just find you a little weird. You've got your weirdo posts to Anony, your fake name, the saltine challenge, and the list goes on. :)

[XxgoeyxX]

Miss. Debutante are you sure your not an Artists? Because artists have always been called weirdos?

[TigranJamharian]

Tigran how long have you been in America?
almost 10 years :crying:

[thedebutante]

That's probably because you're the only one who got it. No offense, I just find you a little weird. You've got your weirdo posts to Anony, your fake name, the saltine challenge, and the list goes on. :)

None taken. I figured that since you posted something, you'd appreciate it if someone got it and responded to it. But I guess not. It's good to know for the future.

You know guys, I don't mean to seem weird or any of that. I'm just a regular armo. I mean, I grew up in Hollywood. Maybe that explains what you guys think is weird.

Haha, anyway. Just to comment on this thread, I learned that being away from where I grew up and a lot of the Armenians I'm used to has really made me more Armenian than ever. Before, I didn't like to associate with Armenians all that much, especially in high school. I guess I felt like I didn't fit in. Now, I see an Armenian and it brings a smile to my face. I was at a cigar shop the other day with some friends who came to visit me. We were speaking Armenian and just smelling some of the scented cigars. Then someone decided to buy one and the dude at the register was like, "it's half off for you guys." And I'm like, "Why?" He said it's because you're Armenian. Then I wanted to know how he knew and it turned out he was Armenian too. Totally unexpected! In Glendale and Hollywood, we take it for granted that we see so many Armenians everyday. But then we get away from it all, and we miss it.

[thedebutante]

Miss. Debutante are you sure your not an Artists? Because artists have always been called weirdos?

I'm currently not pursuing the arts, but I come from a family of artists. I would post up a link to my uncle's and his wife's painting in DC, but that would basically reveal my name. Hahaha, wouldn't want any "weirdo" hunters after me.

[XxgoeyxX]

I'm currently not pursuing the arts, but I come from a family of artists. I would post up a link to my uncle's and his wife's painting in DC, but that would basically reveal my name. Hahaha, wouldn't want any "weirdo" hunters after me.


Haahaaha ooo dear...you know I didnt mean it. Btw..if you like you can PM me the link. I promise..cross my heart...lolll...I wont tell a soul your name. OR I have a better idea. Post that abstract expressionistic paintings that you used to do. I remember you stating that. Of course if you want too. No pressure. :p :D

[thedebutante]

Haahaaha ooo dear...you know I didnt mean it. Btw..if you like you can PM me the link. I promise..cross my heart...lolll...I wont tell a soul your name. OR I have a better idea. Post that abstract expressionistic paintings that you used to do. I remember you stating that. Of course if you want too. No pressure. :p :D

I'll post 'em as soon as I get home for winter break. I need to take pics of them so I can post them.

[XxgoeyxX]

I'll post 'em as soon as I get home for winter break. I need to take pics of them so I can post them.


See that was a better idea. Awesome!

[thedebutante]

I just went back and looked at the first post in this thread. I wanna commend that dude for posting those three lines and stepping away. Talk about an experiment in human psychology and interaction.

Btw, we need a poke feature in this forum. Hint hint...

[Mags]

I love Glendale and I wouldn't live anywhere else


the end.

[hyebruin]

you'll love it!!
you'll feel like home. hehe
every store you enter is guaranteed to have pita bread and string cheese and even NUTELLA!
you don't have to know English... even El Pollo Loco has advertisement signs in Armo!
if you ever fall in love with the delivery guy, your mom doesn't hate you, cuz he's armenian!!
:D

hee heeheee you ARE kidding right? i hope! :eek:

[hyebruin]

... and i gotta say i really loved it, id never seen so many Armenians together since i left Armenia and it gave me such a good feeling.


that's cuz you don't live and breathe and work there everyday! :rolleyes: trust me, when i first moved outta there, i was 'armeniansick' you could say...missed being around hyes and the culture and the food and all that...well, guess what folks? people are the same every freakin place you go to! on my visits to glendale... :rolleyes: ....sometimes i wonder how the heck i could have lived there for soooo freakin long; i mean if i were to live there again it would have to be in a neighborhood with very cultured and MODEST armenians, not the other kind we've come to love :laugh: :laugh:

[Hayq]

You are kidding me. Armenians from Armenia are very different. I listen to different music than them, I talk differently than them (more based on the future rather than typical armenian attitudes of the past).

We are different people.

I see the Americanized Armenians to be more better than those who tend to be from Glendale because the ones from Glendale interact with Armenians soo much that they never full learn to be American.

many armenians consider Americans to be these dry people. But hey look at the Dry folk and look how far they have come. We need to change our ways of thought to resemble more of the productive people. I am soo sick and tired of not having a country or people who are soo far back its not even funny. I literally get poked and laughed at because I am armenian and they never ever really let me talk in public anymore. It got to the point that the Armenians at my school had been so corruptive that they decided our Armenian Club was not a real club. But the mexican club is!

CLEAN UP YOUR ACT, ARMENIAN! You are seriously Embarassing me.

[Genuine_Stud]

Sorry to say, but we see the things we see in Glendale and some of us don't like it (and for those who "love" Glendale, you can't deny what you see there based on some of the comments Hayq made).

However, Hayq... it's not as bad as you think plus you got stop obsessing over "cleaning up the act" too much, because there are far more worse cities and people in LA than Glendale and us Armenians and we all know it.

Whether it be furthering ourself in this "odarootyun" and changing our ways... or whether it be sticking together and strengthening the Armenian awareness among odars....

I think if there is one thing that this thread can teach us is that we all want whats best for us Armenians. Sometimes, when we "do care" we can make a difference.

[NarEkoO]

glendale with no racism??? jesus tapdancing christ! go to any of the school starting from middle school.

[CatWoman]

You guys are living in your little Armenian bubble and are afraid to expand your horizons by meeting people and learning about different lifestyles, cultures, views, etc.

Says who? I have many friends from other cultures, but at the end of the day I know who I am and love my culture and people. Just because we're proud of who we are, doesn't mean we're afraid to expand our horizons or aren't americanized. If you are americanized then fine... if not, then it's still ok... You know, you can be americanized and still love your people and culture and be proud of 'em. I think there is something sexy about a good looking patriotic boy, hehe. Don't forget, these rabizes, who do fraud/are in gangs/drive mercedes with welfare/fraud money don't represent us, the real Armenians are so much better than that. Really. :)

[XxgoeyxX]

Sorry to say, but we see the things we see in Glendale and some of us don't like it (and for those who "love" Glendale, you can't deny what you see there based on some of the comments Hayq made).


No one is denying anything studdly stud. The problem is many criticize all that is Armenian just beause of that population in Glendale. Maybe I'm being ignorant about this but its just not fair.

[XxgoeyxX]

Says who? I have many friends from other cultures, but at the end of the day I know who I am and love my culture and people. Just because we're proud of who we are, doesn't mean we're afraid to expand our horizons or aren't americanized. If you are americanized then fine... if not, then it's still ok... You know, you can be americanized and still love your people and culture and be proud of 'em. I think there is something sexy about a good looking patriotic boy, hehe. Don't forget, these rabizes, who do fraud/are in gangs/drive mercedes with welfare/fraud money don't represent us, the real Armenians are so much better than that. Really. :)


Exactly... Thank you!...omgosh...mine didnt come out as good as yours. loll.

[CatWoman]

Exactly... Thank you!...omgosh...mine didnt come out as good as yours. loll.

Ehhh.... I tried :rolleyes:

[Genuine_Stud]

No one is denying anything studdly stud. The problem is many criticize all that is Armenian just beause of that population in Glendale. Maybe I'm being ignorant about this but its just not fair.


Frankly, I'm not impressed with the Armenians in Glendale.. and thats just that... not all...but most... sad to say.

But yea... see... criticizing anything thats Armenian is just wrong. There are MANY great Armenians in Glendale... I'm sure, but it takes a small pack of pathetic ones to ruin the image as a whole and unfortunately image is everything.

You know how many times producers and directors have asked me if I'm from Glendale and when I've said no... they've been like..."oh, good.. because i don't trust the ones from Glendale" and there was nothing I can say about it, because I knew it was true.

It's sad.... but hey, I guess when you bring the awareness of how much of a negative impact the Glendale Armenians have to the Glendale Armenians, then maybe we can see them collectively work to change and make a difference on the image that odars have on the city.

Damn.... I miss Yerevan... I want to go back. :crying:

[CatWoman]

It only looks like Armenians in Glendale are bad because the city's almost entire population is Armenian (more than 80,000 Armenians live in Glendale), so when one does something bad, ohhhh look... he was an Armenian, but thousands of others who live decent lives and have successful careers don't get noticed. And since there are so many of us, the number of the bad ones is also high, therefore noticeable.

[Genuine_Stud]

It only looks like Armenians in Glendale are bad because the city's almost entire population is Armenian (more than 80,000 Armenians live in Glendale), so when one does something bad, ohhhh look... he was an Armenian, but thousands of others who live decent lives and have successful careers don't get noticed. And since there are so many of us, the number of the bad ones is also high, therefore noticable.

Yup.... unfortunately. :(

[hyebruin]

i must say though, we are not THAT BAD compared to other cultures as far as assimilation and acculturation goes!

take a look at indians (east indians from india)...they will disown their children and raise hell if their kids marry outside [not only their ethnicity] but also outside their religion ( i.e. sikkh vs. hindu) and kast! (or is it cast? whatever...that is the social status of the family).
and if you don't believe me then check out the following site: www.shaadi.com ; it's not your regular hyesingles.com where they go to 'hook up' and get some a$$ :rolleyes: it's actually a matrimonial site and i do commend them for that! it is admirable....HOWEVER!!!!!

they are truely closed minded, at least you know with armenians if one marries an anglo or hispanic or asian then they won't get nearly as much heat and HATE as if you get an indian and have them marry an 'outsider.'

besides, with armenians, we have lost a lot of our traditions, like 2 or 3 generations living under the same roof; you look at indians, omg!!! if the son gets married and he dares leave the house and moves in somewhere with his wife, the groom's parents are going to feel very abandoned and hurt and a bunch of stupid drama shall follow...when was the last time we heard an armenian family acting this way?

bottom line: we've got a ways to go, but believe me there's worse cultures to be born into!

[GSTracer05]

Says who? I have many friends from other cultures, but at the end of the day I know who I am and love my culture and people. Just because we're proud of who we are, doesn't mean we're afraid to expand our horizons or aren't americanized. If you are americanized then fine... if not, then it's still ok... You know, you can be americanized and still love your people and culture and be proud of 'em. I think there is something sexy about a good looking patriotic boy, hehe. Don't forget, these rabizes, who do fraud/are in gangs/drive mercedes with welfare/fraud money don't represent us, the real Armenians are so much better than that. Really. :)

Let me get this straight. The crooked armenians are the imposters, and then there's the real Armenians? It's nice that you have many friends from different backgrounds, so my points don't really pertain to you. They are directed at those who come to a foreign nation and pretend its still Armenia. I'm Armenian and there's certain things I like about our culture/people and there are certain things I dislike. I don't really look at people and be like oh look, armenian, chinese, white, hispanic. Everyone is the same for me. (I have my dislikes in each ethnicity but thats based on specific behavior). I guess I'm in the middle right now. I wouldnt say I dislike being Armenian, but I wouldnt go as far as to parade around yelling I'm proud to be an Armenian. Honestly speaking, I don't trust fellow Armenians any more that I would trust someone from a different background. Let me ask you this, what is there to be patriotic about? Majority of Armenia is in poverty. The country is filled with corruption. In the US you have stereotyping between the different types of Armenians. Oh its a wonderful feeling being asked what type of Armenian you are by other armenians. Such unity in your culture, brings tears to my eyes. (coughs).

P.S. It's not only the rabizes who do fraud. I can point out dozens of non-rabiz persian-armenians who are scamming welfare, GAIN, in-home-support services and several other govt run programs, and lets not even start on taxes. Armenians as a whole like the whole "free lunch" concept.

[Genuine_Stud]

Let me get this straight. The crooked armenians are the imposters, and then there's the real Armenians? It's nice that you have many friends from different backgrounds, so my points don't really pertain to you. They are directed at those who come to a foreign nation and pretend its still Armenia. I'm Armenian and there's certain things I like about our culture/people and there are certain things I dislike. I don't really look at people and be like oh look, armenian, chinese, white, hispanic. Everyone is the same for me. (I have my dislikes in each ethnicity but thats based on specific behavior). I guess I'm in the middle right now. I wouldnt say I dislike being Armenian, but I wouldnt go as far as to parade around yelling I'm proud to be an Armenian. Honestly speaking, I don't trust fellow Armenians any more that I would trust someone from a different background. Let me ask you this, what is there to be patriotic about? Majority of Armenia is in poverty. The country is filled with corruption. In the US you have stereotyping between the different types of Armenians. Oh its a wonderful feeling being asked what type of Armenian you are by other armenians. Such unity in your culture, brings tears to my eyes. (coughs).


So then why are you on an "Armenian" internet forum if you think soo low of Armenia?

If you keep looking at the negative aspects of Armenians ONLY.... then of course there's nothing you'll see positive about Armenians.

Let me ask you this? Have you been to Armenia lately?
Have you seen the developments there currently in contrast to five years ago?

There's nothing wrong for Armenians to come here and still think they are in Armenia. It's a FREE COUNTRY. That's whats so great about America... I mean yea.... eventually they'll have to grow out of it, but what Armenian do you know that grew out of it when the "FIRST" came to this country?

You can be Americanized all you want..... I know i am to some degree, because I was born here. But yet...I dont think highly of most Americanized Armenians either. What would they know about being patriotic when they've already assimilated

There's no shame in being patriotic about a nation in poverty... what nation hasn't been in poverty before growing into what it is today? However, there's a way to things... you're either a part of the problem (always nagging at Armenia and Armenians) or a part of a solution (recognizing the problem realistically and taking action to solve it)

All I know is... not matter how much farther the fruit falls from a tree.... you're still part of that tree regardless of whether you like the tree or not.

[xBaron Dants]

Let me ask you this, what is there to be patriotic about? Majority of Armenia is in poverty.

This is the difference between true patriotism and rah-rah patriotism. The Armenians in poverty aren't there to ruin your image. You're there to give them a hand.

So you'll just wait until Armenia comes around, prospers, and then it's out with the flags and the drums? iiiiiiinteresting.. It's now your turn to bring tears to my eyes..

[CatWoman]

Let me get this straight. The crooked armenians are the imposters, and then there's the real Armenians?

YES... they most certainly don't represent me or anyone I know!

Let me ask you this, what is there to be patriotic about? Majority of Armenia is in poverty. The country is filled with corruption.

Patriotic means loving your country. It's a feeling that's inside most people regardless of how poor their country is. Anyway, this is how I see things. It's only been 13 years since Armenia gained independence, then there was the Nagorno-karabakh war. What do you expect? Armenia is actually doing pretty good. Did you know that Armenia's GDP rose at a 14.8 percent rate during the first half of 2003 without opening the borders to Turkey, giving the country one of the fastest growing economies in the world? Anyway, I don't wanna brag about how much Armenia's been improving, just wanted to tell you things aren't as bad as you think.

[GSTracer05]

This is the difference between true patriotism and rah-rah patriotism. The Armenians in poverty aren't there to ruin your image. You're there to give them a hand.

So you'll just wait until Armenia comes around, prospers, and then it's out with the flags and the drums? iiiiiiinteresting.. It's now your turn to bring tears to my eyes..

Actually I'm not patriotic so I wouldnt break out the flags even if Armenia came around. Let me ask you this, if we were all so patriotic, why did we leave our nation and come to the states, or canada in your case? When my family made the decision to move to the states for a better life, the Armenia chapter of my life was closed. I have visited armenia twice and have no intention of visiting it again nor living there again. How many parents in Armenia are doing everything in their power to try and get their sons out of serving in the army? Outside of central Yerevan, the rest of Armenia brings real tears to your eyes. As far as the Armenians in poverty, they are not ruining my image, its the greedy Armenians that are leeching off the others and living in mansions while the rest starve, those are ruining my "view".

[GSTracer05]

So then why are you on an "Armenian" internet forum if you think soo low of Armenia?

If you keep looking at the negative aspects of Armenians ONLY.... then of course there's nothing you'll see positive about Armenians.

Let me ask you this? Have you been to Armenia lately?
Have you seen the developments there currently in contrast to five years ago?

There's nothing wrong for Armenians to come here and still think they are in Armenia. It's a FREE COUNTRY. That's whats so great about America... I mean yea.... eventually they'll have to grow out of it, but what Armenian do you know that grew out of it when the "FIRST" came to this country?

You can be Americanized all you want..... I know i am to some degree, because I was born here. But yet...I dont think highly of most Americanized Armenians either. What would they know about being patriotic when they've already assimilated

There's no shame in being patriotic about a nation in poverty... what nation hasn't been in poverty before growing into what it is today? However, there's a way to things... you're either a part of the problem (always nagging at Armenia and Armenians) or a part of a solution (recognizing the problem realistically and taking action to solve it)

All I know is... not matter how much farther the fruit falls from a tree.... you're still part of that tree regardless of whether you like the tree or not.

My views on Armenia have nothing to do with why I choose to participate in an Armenian forum. I didnt realize this forum was only for patriotic armenians.

As for the negative and positive aspects. Why dont you list me 10 positive things for my educational purpose.

Have you been to Armenia? Have you been to the villages without clean water and electricity. You go to Armenia with the dollar in your pockets, you go to central Yerevan, probably to some coffee shop frequented by suit wearing benz driving aperos and you think eveything is fine dandy. I agree, that compared to 5 years ago, its a little better. But is far from "decent".

And there is something wrong with Armenians who come here and think it's Armenia. Because it's not! It only shows your disrespect to the country that you now call your home. Thats why people like you flock to the nearest and most densely armenian populated city so you can feel all cozy and comfortable. If you want to think its Armenia, why not move back there? Or are you scared you wouldnt be able to afford the precious luxuries that you have become so accustomed to? And no one is nagging, we are just posting our views and discussing them. Like I said, i'm in the middle right now. I can't say that I'm all proud and I can't say that I hate it either. That is one of the reasons I joined this forum, to see other people's views and opinions.

[ckBejug]

Glendale is not for me. I used to live there and moved to the valley about 8 years ago. Glendale is too damn congested. I like the fact that there is no traffic in Granada Hills. I have no patience for traffic. Sure, I don't like to hang out in Brobank or Glendale but that's only because my friends live closer to Santa Monica and West LA and there's a lot more to do out there...

[dstyle]

GlenHellllll......

[hyebruin]

I'm so sick of hearing crap like that.

"Oh look, yeah we have some small problems ( :rolleyes: ), but we are still better than the Hispanics, the Arabs or Blacks or (insert any other fitting minority)... blah blah blah BLAH BLAH.

Don't you people see how sad that is? You have to compare Armenians to Hispanics or whatever to show that "we are not so bad".
I'd be laughing it wasn't so damn sad.


apparently you did not read my quote there carefully; as far as that post goes i was comparing armenian culture specifically to indian culture and how we are not as uptight as them when it comes to marriage and who you marry! no one was talking about hispanics and blacks, so loosen up!

[Hayq]

Like I said, we are 10mln only, and we need to be perfect!

Pyunik hit it right on the nail, Armenians live in one of the best cities in South Cali, but they dont understand what makes that city so great. Its the people!

It is not a race thing, more of a mental thought. Armenians need to concentrate on the welfare of the community rather than the welfare of yourself. You know, if every Armenian were to drive a decent Volvo Sedan (middle class car) all the money saved could probably be used to open up an Armenian community center and have it running for a while.

Armenians are a very backward people, listen to the majority of the music talking about death and alcohol. The ones who assimilate will not only function better with the community and advance, but they might also bring the West to Armenia.

BTW, by assimilate, I mean to accept the ways of their life. After all, the LANGUAGE, not culture, is what MAKES a RACE.

[Genuine_Stud]

My views on Armenia have nothing to do with why I choose to participate in an Armenian forum. I didnt realize this forum was only for patriotic armenians.

As for the negative and positive aspects. Why dont you list me 10 positive things for my educational purpose.

Have you been to Armenia? Have you been to the villages without clean water and electricity. You go to Armenia with the dollar in your pockets, you go to central Yerevan, probably to some coffee shop frequented by suit wearing benz driving aperos and you think eveything is fine dandy. I agree, that compared to 5 years ago, its a little better. But is far from "decent".

And there is something wrong with Armenians who come here and think it's Armenia. Because it's not! It only shows your disrespect to the country that you now call your home. Thats why people like you flock to the nearest and most densely armenian populated city so you can feel all cozy and comfortable. If you want to think its Armenia, why not move back there? Or are you scared you wouldnt be able to afford the precious luxuries that you have become so accustomed to? And no one is nagging, we are just posting our views and discussing them. Like I said, i'm in the middle right now. I can't say that I'm all proud and I can't say that I hate it either. That is one of the reasons I joined this forum, to see other people's views and opinions.

Thanks for "ALL" the assumptions, I guess your sooo good at that, because you know everything right? Seeing how Americanized Armenians seem to think this way..... and before you say anything, I happen to be an Armenian born in America with Americanized views as well, so I don't exactly disagree with everything you say... but I don't go around touting to odars that Armenia is bad......I don't know... do you?

SO what were you expecting... you're in the "middle" right now... you want to think otherwise about your view??? Or are you just here to ridicule everyone about how stupid their views on ARmenia are??

If you want to learn, you got to OPEN your mind to think and not blatantly argue all the time about how you think everyone's views about Armenia are wrong and how much of an "outsider" you are from the whole Armenian thing. That is why you chose to join the "Armenian" internet forums right? To better understand the people here and have the people understand you so we can all grow..... you're not strictly here to ridicule everyone about why you think their views on Armenia sucks? ARe you?

FYI, I went to Armenia twice. Once in 1999 and once this year. I have been to the villages in Armenia..hell... i even have family that lives in Spitak.. and yes.. there is A LOT that needs to be done, but guess what... its up to Armenians like you and me to change it. :)

As for the 10 positive things you want me to list....I can easily name ten positive things... however, this is not a test for me... it's really a test for yourself....

If you can't spot ten positive things about Armenia yourself, then its just obvious that you dont care for it to grow and prosper. You listed one good thing, you still have nine more to go. :D

NOW....

What was the other thing you said again???

"Thats why people like you flock to the nearest and most densely armenian populated city so you can feel all cozy and comfortable. If you want to think its Armenia, why not move back there? Or are you scared you wouldnt be able to afford the precious luxuries that you have become so accustomed to?"

There you go with your assumptions again. Thank you. :wave:

I don't live in Glendale, so no... I'm not cozy and comfortable. I don't assosciate with too many Armenians in the industry I'm in (entertainment) *cough* so as you can tell.....I have to assosciate pretty much with whites, xxxs, chinese, gays, lesbians, hispanics, and african americans on a daily basis...... how many Armenians do you know that would pick the field I'm in? Most of them are either doctors, lawyers, real estate agents and such right??? :rolleyes:

So how does that make me comfy and cozy. I am accustomed to the lifestyle I live here, but I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth either. I had to always hustle to get where I am today, because of the lack of knowledge my family had about the way things work here. So in that sense.... I can live in Armenia and not be afraid to make some sacrifises.

Anyways man.... I'm sure I'm not the first person to preach to you... and God knows if you actually decide to think otherwise.... all I gotta say is this.....

It takes one person to make the biggest difference. If you want to be part of the solution for a better Armenia... it starts from within you and you don't have to be "patriotic" to make that difference. You just have to make that difference.

If you don't, well then.... forget EVERYTHING i said here and keep on going with your "Americanized" ways. It's ok.... I'll tell the people here not to educate or preach to you, because it will be a waste of breath.

Your choice bud.

[GSTracer05]

Thanks for "ALL" the assumptions, I guess your sooo good at that, because you know everything right? Seeing how Americanized Armenians seem to think this way..... and before you say anything, I happen to be an Armenian born in America with Americanized views as well, so I don't exactly disagree with everything you say... but I don't go around touting to odars that Armenia is bad......I don't know... do you?

First, I don't go around touting to odars that Armenia is bad. I'm only posting on this thread as a means to debate and exchange views. Since we were discussing about Glendale, I gave my view of the city and "most" of its inhabitants. Compared to Glendale 20 years ago, I don't see the quality of people in the community improving. More immigration = worse glendale or any other densely populated Armenian community. Armenians in general are a greedy bunch, and also very materialistic and show off. As a way to outdo their neighbors they resort to not so legal ways of earning a living. This is my experience, since I am in the healthcare industry. So hence my statement of "too many Armenians in one place is not a good thing". If you disagree with my view, let me hear your side.

SO what were you expecting... you're in the "middle" right now... you want to think otherwise about your view??? Or are you just here to ridicule everyone about how stupid their views on ARmenia are??

Did I call your views stupid? No. Did I ridicule everyone? I made generalized statements in regards to a large number of Armenians. I apologize if I included you and it was not true.

If you want to learn, you got to OPEN your mind to think and not blatantly argue all the time about how you think everyone's views about Armenia are wrong and how much of an "outsider" you are from the whole Armenian thing. That is why you chose to join the "Armenian" internet forums right? To better understand the people here and have the people understand you so we can all grow..... you're not strictly here to ridicule everyone about why you think their views on Armenia sucks? ARe you?

Who told you I'm arguing? Maybe if you werent so defensive, you could OPEN your eyes and see that I'm not bashing your views, I'm just stating mine and comparing with yours and others. There are points I agree and points I disagree.

FYI, I went to Armenia twice. Once in 1999 and once this year. I have been to the villages in Armenia..hell... i even have family that lives in Spitak.. and yes.. there is A LOT that needs to be done, but guess what... its up to Armenians like you and me to change it. :)

Ive been to Armenia as well and I have family in Armenia as well. Why is it up to Armenian's like us to change it? Why should I contribute when I don't see unity among armenians in the United States, and even in Armenia? I'd like to know that my efforts are going somewhere and being appreciated. A few years ago, several armenian physicians, including my employer, organized a trip to deliver thousands of supplies, needles, syringes, etc, mammography equipment to Gumry for a new woman's clinic. You want to know what happened to all that aid. It was sold for money, or thrown aside to collect dust. And the people who took them there did not even get a thank you. While Armenians continue to stay corrupt and backstab each other, why should I help? Lets talk about this road that funds were raised to build. Do you think all that money will actually go to that road without being squandered, and that the road will be built on time? I have my doubts.

As for the 10 positive things you want me to list....I can easily name ten positive things... however, this is not a test for me... it's really a test for yourself....

If you can't spot ten positive things about Armenia yourself, then its just obvious that you dont care for it to grow and prosper. You listed one good thing, you still have nine more to go. :D

Like I said, from what I have observed in Armenian behavior. I really dont know whether I care or not. I'll care when I see Armenians respecting the nation we live in, not just ripping it off for every penny they can get. When Armenians respect both other Armenians and non-Armenians. I'm not saying there are no good Armenians, as a matter of fact, I joined this forum in hopes of meeting a few of the good ones. Luckily for me, the losers are not too internet savvy.

Anyways man.... I'm sure I'm not the first person to preach to you... and God knows if you actually decide to think otherwise.... all I gotta say is this.....

It takes one person to make the biggest difference. If you want to be part of the solution for a better Armenia... it starts from within you and you don't have to be "patriotic" to make that difference. You just have to make that difference.

The preaching is nice and all. It only takes one person to make a difference and this and that. No it does not. The problem is so large that it requires a tremendous amount of effort which stems from unity! Don't tell me these motivational speeches as if you're recruiting me for the army. I want you to give me the positive reasons why I should contribute. (And don't give me the you're Armenian bit.) I want something more. Just a month ago, some pharmacy delivery guy hit my car. I trusted the owner of the pharmacy who happens to be a millionaire, and an armenian, to replace the damaged parts with new parts. Guess what I found out when i opened the plastic covers of my rear trunk. My old crumpled trunk was rebuilt and hidden under paint and bondo. That really acts as an encouragement for me to join the cause huh? I see Armenians on a daily basis ripping off welfare, medical, medicare, social security, disability, gain, armenians getting free tvs, free housing! (section 8), free everything. They'd even take your underwear that you didnt wash for a week, if you said it was FREE. These arent only limited to hyastancis. I see it done by them, by persian armenians, even beruitahyes but not as much. So tell me man, why should I try to make a difference when all this exists? Why shouldnt I just go on with my life and say screw the rest.

Now I'll also tell you this, I may not love what Armenians are doing these days, but I do respect my ethnicity and culture. After all it's in my blood. I wish Armenians as a culture and race would stop being such a backward people and stick together for a change rather than gossiping, stereotyping, being racist, and backstabbing each other. They should also open their eyes and realize that they have been given the opportunity to live a better life in the United States and not take things for granted. It would be a huge inspiration for people such as myself to join the cause.

[GSTracer05]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

YES! my friends... did you hear that??
LANGUAGE makes a race...
lol :laugh:
people who just write before thinking entertain me a lot!

**trying to think of an Armenian song about "alcohol"...(say what?lol)**
I'm seriously speechless! that might very well be the DULLEST post I've ever read on these forums.

You have friends? Where? ;)

[spiral]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

YES! my friends... did you hear that??
LANGUAGE makes a race...
lol :laugh:
people who just write before thinking entertain me a lot!

**trying to think of an Armenian song about "alcohol"...(say what?lol)**
I'm seriously speechless! that might very well be the DULLEST post I've ever read on these forums.


I agree with gaucho on this.

"After all, the LANGUAGE, not culture, is what MAKES a RACE."

:rolleyes:

[HyePrincess]

ok u guyz i am an armenian born in america and i love my pepole and my race and im damm proud of it and no i dont live in glendale and yes we do have a bmw and a benz but my parents dont do fraud my moms a register nurse and my dads a lawayer. and seriously were not that bad compared to other races. ok ya some do fraud but what about all those black ppl and hispanics that sell drugs, jack, do things that are illegal like if mexicans dont get welfare and work and all that other crap. sometimes its so hard for me to belive the things i hear that some armenians do but oh well its their life and i always back them up and cover it so others wont no that might be wrong but i still do it i dont want others to talk smack about our race.

[Hayq]

Gaucho, you are a very free spirit. Knock it off.

xxxs, their culture has already disappeared, but they use their faith and language as a ditermining factor.

[angelik22]

you'll love it!!
you'll feel like home. hehe
every store you enter is guaranteed to have pita bread and string cheese and even NUTELLA!
you don't have to know English... even El Pollo Loco has advertisement signs in Armo!
if you ever fall in love with the delivery guy, your mom doesn't hate you, cuz he's armenian!!
:D

omg that was so cute-- its so true!! hehehehe.... but the delivery guy is ummmm OLD!! lol jk

guacho i like u ure cool... i love ure posts- theyre either really funyn or sarcastic... awesome..hehe :laugh:

[Crimson Glow]

ok u guyz i am an armenian born in america and i love my pepole and my race and im damm proud of it and no i dont live in glendale and yes we do have a bmw and a benz but my parents dont do fraud my moms a register nurse and my dads a lawayer. and seriously were not that bad compared to other races. ok ya some do fraud but what about all those black ppl and hispanics that sell drugs, jack, do things that are illegal like if mexicans dont get welfare and work and all that other crap. sometimes its so hard for me to belive the things i hear that some armenians do but oh well its their life and i always back them up and cover it so others wont no that might be wrong but i still do it i dont want others to talk smack about our race.

*Looks over that grammatical horror of a paragraph*

If you don't want odars to "talk smack", or wander onto this site and "prove us wrong", you may want to stop your posts (or at least cover them up so others wont "no"), because your lack of taking a minute to construct a half way legible post only supports their argument.


As for the topic at hand...

For starters, as I said earlier, I'd guesstimate a good 90% of this country has never even heard of Armenia, let alone know what Armenians are in order to formulate an opinion. Secondly, as I've said several times on this forum, a lot of the flaws you attribute to Armenians are far from being characteristics exclusive to our people. Keeping up with the Jones' is a time honored, American tradition. In many instances, Armenians in Cali may do it through fraud, but I don't really see that as worse than what Americans do: Put it on plastic. Gaucho, I believe the national debt average is now around $15K. And that sure as hell ain't due to Armenians. The town I live in (http://money.cnn.com/2003/12/08/pf/bplive03_cen/index.htm) is comprised of white, Anglo-Saxon yuppie Americans. It's a pretty "well-to-do" community. Well, guess what? They STILL suck! Middle-middle class income, with upper-upper class attitudes. They're greedy, self-absorbed, show off pricks who live only to one-up their neighbors and "friends". Gee, sounds a lot like the complaints about Glendale Armenians. Face it, folks. The world is full of assh*les. They're just of different breeds.

So why do I complain about Cali Armenians, then? Disappointment. I was expecting better from us. We're talking about a culture whose national pass time is chess, for freaking Christ’s sakes. A culture whose intellectual elites were so dangerous once upon a time, that they were the first to be rounded up and executed by the Turks to eliminate the immediate threat. Nowadays, they need do no such thing. They can just leave us to our own vices.

With that being said, I also think it's an insult to the nation hosting you when you come here to escape a torturous life, prosper from all it has to offer, and then turn around and spit on it by not even bother to learn the language, or at least learn how to function within its culture. Now the problem is people mistakenly perceive assimilation as giving up your ethnicity. Why is that? I'm American born and raised. I've gone to American schools, speak English a good 90% of the time, interact with only Americans, and yet, have retained the Armenian language, knowledge of the history, and significant cultural events (celebrating Armenian Christmas - not just Dec. 25th, commemorating April 24th, etc).

Unfortunately, as I said in another thread, the only parts of the American culture we've assimilated to are the worst parts: Capitalistic pop culture bullsh*t. The same things I complained about in the town I live in also seem to be the only things Cali Armenians are concerned with adapting to. There's nothing wrong with wanting financial success, but....this crap about having to be doctors, lawyers, real estate agents (aka highest money making jobs)....whatever happened to doing something you love to do, regardless of income, instead of what makes you the most money being your primary concern? Since when did prestige and honorable mention become exclusive to holding what's looked upon as "high status" in the employment ring? There may be a lot of Armenians with some dough in Cali, but I fear they sold their character to obtain it.

Whether some of you guys like to face it or not, a lot of what GSTracer had to say is true. The lack of assimilation is not only an insult to the nation giving you your "better life", it is also holding us back from our goal of making said nation aware of our existence. Who the hell cares if everyone in south Cali knows who Armenians are? Do you not understand what a small insignificance this is? I dare some of you to go outside of California, tell someone you're Armenian, and see what kind or reaction you get. Chances are, they won't have a clue what you're talking about. Awareness isn't going to happen by isolation, or forming our own, tiny little pockets here or there. Awareness has to be made loud, and in a broad spectrum in order to be heard. I don't think anyone on this club said to drop your Armenian heritage. But isolation is not doing us any favors, either. There can be a happy medium.

[XxgoeyxX]

ok u guyz i am an armenian born in america and i love my pepole and my race and im damm proud of it and no i dont live in glendale and yes we do have a bmw and a benz but my parents dont do fraud my moms a register nurse and my dads a lawayer. and seriously were not that bad compared to other races. ok ya some do fraud but what about all those black ppl and hispanics that sell drugs, jack, do things that are illegal like if mexicans dont get welfare and work and all that other crap. sometimes its so hard for me to belive the things i hear that some armenians do but oh well its their life and i always back them up and cover it so others wont no that might be wrong but i still do it i dont want others to talk smack about our race.


I just read this, I didnt want to post but what the heck. Just because they are Armenian doesnt mean you need to cover anything up. Remember dear, the real world isnt High School. I know why you are saying this, its because you go to a school where there are comflictes between Armenians and Hispanic. But one time I told you in another thread (dont ask how I remember this) in the real world if you dont step on someones toe they arnt going to step on yours. (Bad analogy, but work with me people). Do not ever believe you need to cover up another person mistake. It is that mistake which helps them grow and learn. But whats even more important is that you end up learning from their mistakes.

However to make another statement about this, I see no difference when an Armenian steals something or a Hispanic does. They were both wrong and both have to be punished.

[HyePrincess]

ya i no goey that's probally it, but i dont no y like i alwayz want us to be perfect. the other day my bestfreind lily was waching the news and she told me that they were showing armenians that were doing auto insurance fraud and that got me soooo mad. and im hearing now that gurls in grant high are getting pregant and dont even no who the dad is isnt that just great. uffffffff ok lav wateva just thinking about this get me soooo mad.

[Hayq]

you should be MAD!

All the Armenian girls are turning into xxxxxs, common Latin xxxxs!!!

Go on Armenianclub.com and browse through the pictures of the girls, all "ghetto" taking pride in their big ass' and their poor negroid language. It just sucks to hear this happens to Armenian girls, the "best" girls out there. But hey, after all, "no race is perfect and we are better than hispanics". Fools.

you do realize, it is the girls fault that they get pregnant. They can always say No, but they dont. They always go after the jerks while bit*hing how they would rather have an intelligent man. It has happened to me soo many times. I am the smartest kid in class, I always bring up top notch political information and I always help everyone (mostly girls) with their work. Then, they b*tch to ME(!!!) how there are no smart guys. Try pointing out the fact tht you are what they are looking for, and they will say, "oh sorry, you are not the one for me".

Anyway, i got side tracked an am really pissed now.

[XxgoeyxX]

Poor Hayq...those 16 year olds dont know what they're missing out on. :)

[Anonymouse]

*Looks over that grammatical horror of a paragraph*

If you don't want odars to "talk smack", or wander onto this site and "prove us wrong", you may want to stop your posts (or at least cover them up so others wont "no"), because your lack of taking a minute to construct a half way legible post only supports their argument.


As for the topic at hand...

For starters, as I said earlier, I'd guesstimate a good 90% of this country has never even heard of Armenia, let alone know what Armenians are in order to formulate an opinion. Secondly, as I've said several times on this forum, a lot of the flaws you attribute to Armenians are far from being characteristics exclusive to our people. Keeping up with the Jones' is a time honored, American tradition. In many instances, Armenians in Cali may do it through fraud, but I don't really see that as worse than what Americans do: Put it on plastic. Gaucho, I believe the national debt average is now around $15K. And that sure as hell ain't due to Armenians. The town I live in (http://money.cnn.com/2003/12/08/pf/bplive03_cen/index.htm) is comprised of white, Anglo-Saxon yuppie Americans. It's a pretty "well-to-do" community. Well, guess what? They STILL suck! Middle-middle class income, with upper-upper class attitudes. They're greedy, self-absorbed, show off pricks who live only to one-up their neighbors and "friends". Gee, sounds a lot like the complaints about Glendale Armenians. Face it, folks. The world is full of assh*les. They're just of different breeds.

So why do I complain about Cali Armenians, then? Disappointment. I was expecting better from us. We're talking about a culture whose national pass time is chess, for freaking Christ’s sakes. A culture whose intellectual elites were so dangerous once upon a time, that they were the first to be rounded up and executed by the Turks to eliminate the immediate threat. Nowadays, they need do no such thing. They can just leave us to our own vices.

With that being said, I also think it's an insult to the nation hosting you when you come here to escape a torturous life, prosper from all it has to offer, and then turn around and spit on it by not even bother to learn the language, or at least learn how to function within its culture. Now the problem is people mistakenly perceive assimilation as giving up your ethnicity. Why is that? I'm American born and raised. I've gone to American schools, speak English a good 90% of the time, interact with only Americans, and yet, have retained the Armenian language, knowledge of the history, and significant cultural events (celebrating Armenian Christmas - not just Dec. 25th, commemorating April 24th, etc).

Unfortunately, as I said in another thread, the only parts of the American culture we've assimilated to are the worst parts: Capitalistic pop culture bullsh*t. The same things I complained about in the town I live in also seem to be the only things Cali Armenians are concerned with adapting to. There's nothing wrong with wanting financial success, but....this crap about having to be doctors, lawyers, real estate agents (aka highest money making jobs)....whatever happened to doing something you love to do, regardless of income, instead of what makes you the most money being your primary concern? Since when did prestige and honorable mention become exclusive to holding what's looked upon as "high status" in the employment ring? There may be a lot of Armenians with some dough in Cali, but I fear they sold their character to obtain it.

Whether some of you guys like to face it or not, a lot of what GSTracer had to say is true. The lack of assimilation is not only an insult to the nation giving you your "better life", it is also holding us back from our goal of making said nation aware of our existence. Who the hell cares if everyone in south Cali knows who Armenians are? Do you not understand what a small insignificance this is? I dare some of you to go outside of California, tell someone you're Armenian, and see what kind or reaction you get. Chances are, they won't have a clue what you're talking about. Awareness isn't going to happen by isolation, or forming our own, tiny little pockets here or there. Awareness has to be made loud, and in a broad spectrum in order to be heard. I don't think anyone on this club said to drop your Armenian heritage. But isolation is not doing us any favors, either. There can be a happy medium.

Another lefty whining about the politics of envy and blaming everything on capitalism.

[Hayq]

lol aww thanks for the compliment.

do you have any disagreements with what I said?

[Anonymouse]

you should be MAD!

All the Armenian girls are turning into xxxxxs, common Latin xxxxs!!!

Go on Armenianclub.com and browse through the pictures of the girls, all "ghetto" taking pride in their big ass' and their poor negroid language. It just sucks to hear this happens to Armenian girls, the "best" girls out there. But hey, after all, "no race is perfect and we are better than hispanics". Fools.

you do realize, it is the girls fault that they get pregnant. They can always say No, but they dont. They always go after the jerks while bit*hing how they would rather have an intelligent man. It has happened to me soo many times. I am the smartest kid in class, I always bring up top notch political information and I always help everyone (mostly girls) with their work. Then, they b*tch to ME(!!!) how there are no smart guys. Try pointing out the fact tht you are what they are looking for, and they will say, "oh sorry, you are not the one for me".

Anyway, i got side tracked an am really pissed now.

Given that I agree with you about the "Negroidization" of Armenian youth, but perhaps where the chicks stop liking you is your love of yourself. Drop it, you are not God's gift to this planet neither is your brain.

[XxgoeyxX]

lol aww thanks for the compliment.

do you have any disagreements with what I said?


No dear I agree. All I can say is just wait a few years until you are older. Some people actually mature.

[Hayq]

Given that I agree with you about the "Negroidization" of Armenian youth, but perhaps where the chicks stop liking you is your love of yourself. Drop it, you are not God's gift to this planet neither is your brain.


Never claimed to be! It is double standards and the lieing that really irritates me.

[Hayq]

No, dear no disagrements. All I can say is just wait a few year, until you are older. Some people actually mature.

I hope oyu are right. I am hoping college will be different...for the better.

[HyeJinx1984]

Now the problem is people mistakenly perceive assimilation as giving up your ethnicity. Why is that? I'm American born and raised. I've gone to American schools, speak English a good 90% of the time, interact with only Americans, and yet, have retained the Armenian language, knowledge of the history, and significant cultural events (celebrating Armenian Christmas - not just Dec. 25th, commemorating April 24th, etc).

I agree with most of what you said, but I'd just like to point out that assimilation IS in fact having lost your heritage and total become whatever culture you're surrounded by. What you're advocating is integration but calling it assimilation. Integration is good, assimilation is bad, and we shouldn't call one by the other. Like I said, over all, good post.

[Crimson Glow]

Another lefty whining about the politics of envy and blaming everything on capitalism.

Another psuedo anarchist making completely irrelevant posts, which are hypocritical in nature to his own views.


I agree with most of what you said, but I'd just like to point out that assimilation IS in fact having lost your heritage and total become whatever culture you're surrounded by. What you're advocating is integration but calling it assimilation. Integration is good, assimilation is bad, and we shouldn't call one by the other. Like I said, over all, good post.

Not necessarily. Assimilation and integration can be used synonymously. Assimilation merely means to become more like a greater part (minority becoming more like the majority). There are certain degrees of assimilation, as well. It in no way implies you have to morph into the larger group, and completely replace your former culture with it. That inappropriate stigma of a meaning was attached by society, not by Webster's dictionary. But we have the same idea in mind, nonetheless.

[Anonymouse]

Another psuedo anarchist making completely irrelevant posts, which are hypocritical in nature to his own views.

Failure to establish hypocrisy, minus 2 points.

Furthermore, blaming capitalism for the evils of society shows your lack of insight regarding history nor economics.

[Crimson Glow]

Failure to establish hypocrisy, minus 2 points.

Furthermore, blaming capitalism for the evils of society shows your lack of insight regarding history nor economics.

Failure to understand why your response was irrelevant to my post, plus failure to see the collective inconsistencies of your views/criticisms in your posts (aka hypocrisy) = minus all credibility.

How did we get to this score? *Breaks out the spoon* It's feedin' time, again!

A small portion of that 2 page essay you quoted from me was related to capitalism; yet, your sole, out of context (as usual) comment was based on it. I also mentioned pop-culture (which you of course overlooked), but I wasn't about to get into the "negroidization" factor, again. I think we've milked that aspect of Armenians to death on this forum.

Jesus! Do you have amnesia, or something?? You're accusing me of all people of blaming capitalism for the evils of society? After all our little arguments over the matrix philosophy, and how it relates to my views on existence and society? Damn, Mouse. Inch eghav kezi? :confused:

Furthermore, me blaming one thing for another has nothing to do with my lack of insight on the subject. You not agreeing with my various conclusions drawn from that insight doesn't mean I don't hold that insight. This is a simple concept you seem to have difficulty grasping. I could just as well say you have a lack of insight as well with some of the preposterous suggestions you've made throughout my time on this forum, but I know better. Believe it or not, I have respect for your knowledge, and lack the ego problem (well, the right type of ego problem, anyway) to say otherwise. I just find the way you apply that knowledge to actual life a tad bit.....over-simplified, for lack of a better term. But anyway, let's not turn this into another one of those you not comprehending my godliness threads, :D and just get back on subject.

[hyebruin]

I hope oyu are right. I am hoping college will be different...for the better.

omg, you are in high school? wow!! that explains your idealism.

[Hayq]

omg, you are in high school? wow!! that explains your idealism.

yeah. What Idealism?

[hyebruin]

this thread is still open? :rolleyes: what MORE can one post here besides "is this thing still open?" :rolleyes:

[One-Way]

Screw Glendale.... yea I said it. :evil:

There are plenty of racists there on many levels.... even amongst Armenians.

Armenians are the biggest racists in my opinion

[sSsflamesSs]

Armenians are the biggest racists in my opinion

Racism exists in all types of people. It's not specific to your ethnicity or whatnot.

[patlajan]

Racism exists in all types of people. It's not specific to your ethnicity or whatnot.
Especially your whatnot.

[sSsflamesSs]

Especially your whatnot.

What's my whatnot? :crying:

[angelik22]

im sick of glendale although i dont live there...- im gonna move to freggin calabasas or something far... like porter ranch... or or or freggin santa cruz

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