Telethon

[TigranJamharian]

Im sure most of you know but just in case you dont there is the Armenian Telethon today, starting at different times and on different channels depending on where you live.

scroll down this page: http://www.armeniafund.org/ and it has a list of some major cities and the channels and showtimes etc.

Alright guys, lets help make this a success, i urge you guys all to let other Armenians know about this and find it in your heart to put that 20 dollar bill to a good use rather than your crack habit.

[CatWoman]

YES YES YES, pick up the phone and dial... They just announced that people from Karabakh donated 150,000 U.S. dollars! aww I was so touched, if they can donate, then so can you! =) And one person from NY just did a million, maybe it was Tigran :D

[HyePrincess]

ya ya i was going to make this thread but oh well tigran already did my family donated 500 dolllars heheh ya and you no how in the top it says who donated and how much i saw anyomouse 50 dollars dont tell me it was our mousy lol

[Crimson Glow]

Keeping in tune with my cynical attitude....is this thing legitamet? I mean, what's the guarantee the money is going to get where it needs to go?

[!EEK]

Keeping in tune with my cynical attitude....is this thing legitamet? I mean, what's the guarantee the money is going to get where it needs to go?

Pfff you got issues...it's the telethon, everything is supervised by non governmental entities. EVen if there could be a security gap, how can anyone explain that millions have been missing without attracting anyone's attention?

[CatWoman]

what's the guarantee the money is going to get where it needs to go?

Are you xxxxing kidding me??? PLEASE!! People like you make me soooo mad. I may be wrong, but I've noticed mainly hayastansis share your view. At least, have some respect for people who organize this. When you decide to open your eyes, you'll see the difference this made in Armenia's roads and highways!!!

[!EEK]

Keeping in tune with my cynical attitude....is this thing legitamet? I mean, what's the guarantee the money is going to get where it needs to go?

It's exactly what people too greedy to give out money say when they want to look concerned.

[TigranJamharian]

Damn straight. Keep it up guys. I am just waiting to see what our Mr. Kirk is going to give.
The 1000000 from new york was probably louise simone manoogian, she has really done a lot and is always fuding Armenian related projects.

[Crimson Glow]

It's exactly what people too greedy to give out money say when they want to look concerned.

Yeah, that's it, EEK. Because I give a damn about looking concerned or impressing a bunch of f*cking strangers on the internet. Whether I give or not bears no relevance to what I asked. If that was my main concern, I would have either not posted here at all, or would have lied about giving X amount of dollars. By the way, "millions" don't have to be missing. I didn't imply they take every dollar and run.

Cat: Share my view? People like me? I was born and raised in America, and more importantly, around approximately zero Armenians, so I highly doubt any Armenian you know is anything like me. I've had my eyes opened for quite some time now, thus the cynicism and why I'm naturally skeptical of everything. It was a perfectly legitamet question for someone that's not familiar with the organization, or what it's "done for Armenia" in the least bit. But instead of answering the question with decent info, once again, I make a simple comment, and people forcefully and ignorantly read more into it than what's there and go off an tangents about those false, ingnorant elucidations. If you are so ready to pounce on someone without thinking an analyzing, perhaps you are the ones with the issues.

Gaucho, thank you for some actual info instead of unjustifiably venting! That's all I was looking for.

[!EEK]

Yeah, that's it, EEK. Because I give a damn about looking concerned or impressing a bunch of f*cking strangers on the internet. Whether I give or not bears no relevance to what I asked. If that was my main concern, I would have either not posted here at all, or would have lied about giving X amount of dollars. By the way, "millions" don't have to be missing. I didn't imply they take every dollar and run.
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Firstly you don't have to lie about what money you gave. You come here and talk about unfounded stuff and then when we try to reply you about this BS you come up with:

Share my view? People like me? I was born and raised in America, and more importantly, around approximately zero Armenians, so I highly doubt any Armenian you know is anything like me. I've had my eyes opened for quite some time now, thus the cynicism and why I'm naturally skeptical of everything. It was a perfectly legitamet question for someone that's not familiar with the organization, or what it's "done for Armenia" in the least bit. But instead of answering the question with decent info, once again, I make a simple comment, and people forcefully and ignorantly read more into it than what's there and go off an tangents about those false, ingnorant elucidations. If you are so ready to pounce on someone without thinking an analyzing, perhaps you are the ones with the issues

It's not our fault, it's the way you were born and raised, don't blame the world

[CatWoman]

a past president of the same organization used to be a very good friend of my dad's. he used to go back and forth to Haiastan pretty much every month with "armenia fund" money

You do realize that going to Armenia back and forth is nothing compared to millions of dollars collected right? Besides, it's not like he's going to Hawaii on a family vacation or something. I think the president of such organization has to visit the country and the construction work in person to make sure things are going as planned, and it won't be fair for him to pay for this trip from his own pocked, I mean think about it... the CEO or CFO or whatever of ANY organization go to different countries and cities for meetings and all, do they pay for it themselves? NO the company does. So I don't see your point.

[Anonymouse]

What a wonderful thread in which Armenians get together to peacefully and cordially agree on the issues.

[Crimson Glow]

I'm not even going to get started on the second part of your reply, because that would be going off subject, but...


Firstly you don't have to lie about what money you gave. You come here and talk about unfounded stuff

I talked about unfounded stuff??? Are you trying to take the "reading into things" thing to a new level, or are you just illiterate? I ASKED A QUESTION, a simple, honest qustion. I DIDN'T MAKE A CLAIM! Big difference there, EEK! Jesus Christ, what is WITH you people???


You do realize that going to Armenia back and forth is nothing compared to millions of dollars collected right? Besides, it's not like he's going to Hawaii on a family vacation or something. I think the president of such organization has to visit the country and the construction work in person to make sure things are going as planned, and it won't be fair for him to pay for this trip from his own pocked, I mean think about it... the CEO or CFO or whatever of ANY organization go to different countries and cities for meetings and all, do they pay for it themselves? NO the company does. So I don't see your point.

I agree, I don't see a problem with this.

[Anonymouse]

Cat: Share my view? People like me? I was born and raised in America, and more importantly, around approximately zero Armenians, so I highly doubt any Armenian you know is anything like me. I've had my eyes opened for quite some time now, thus the cynicism and why I'm naturally skeptical of everything. It was a perfectly legitamet question for someone that's not familiar with the organization, or what it's "done for Armenia" in the least bit. But instead of answering the question with decent info, once again, I make a simple comment, and people forcefully and ignorantly read more into it than what's there and go off an tangents about those false, ingnorant elucidations. If you are so ready to pounce on someone without thinking an analyzing, perhaps you are the ones with the issues.

I agree with your criticism for the most part, and indeed some people like to be immune from criticism. Armenians historically, and even contemporary Armenians do not like criticism, and are immune from it.

However, notice the part of your quote I have in bold? That indicates severe love thyself and this idea of being uber unique and special. Clearly no one is like you, you special crimson you.

[!EEK]

Crimson Glow....I think I added you to my ignore list ..and it wasn't on purpose..sorry.

Ever heard about rhetoric? :rolleyes:





Oh, my god..what am I saying, I've been called illiterate..I probably would not even understand my own post

[dstyle]

I think Manougian said she'd donate 1 million if it reached 10 million. So the total at the end came out to be $11,000,000.00.

I was pretty drunk but I think we donated as well.

[TigranJamharian]

I think Manougian said she'd donate 1 million if it reached 10 million. So the total at the end came out to be $11,000,000.00.

I was pretty drunk but I think we donated as well.

haha, that was fukking hilarious.
The biggest surprise of the night... it seems Kirkorian didnt donate even a cent, i wonder what is going on.

[CatWoman]

haha, that was fukking hilarious.
The biggest surprise of the night... it seems Kirkorian didnt donate even a cent, i wonder what is going on.

No Kirk has his own fund through which he sends money to Armenia every month, so he doesn't participate in anything else.

[TigranJamharian]

as far as i know though, the lincy fund hasnt done anything since they finished all the construction in yerevan last year.

[xBaron Dants]

The Lincy fund has continuous projects in the earthquake zone.

[Hayq]

Instead of building soo much infastructure, we should build up an economy. Infastructure is more than enough to link us to Iran and Georgian ports.

[CatWoman]

At least 30-35% of the people who call and say "bill me" never send their checks. they just want their names to appear on live TV while everyone's watching.
he went with his "co-executives" and most of the time his wife, son, etc. accompanied him.

I know what your sayin, but don't you think you're a little exaggerating here? I mean 35% of callers are that desperate? I don't think so... besides, I'm sure he didn't take his family along with him every time he went there, maybe once or twice, which I still don't see a problem with. After all, if they didn't collect the money and all that, how were they able to build all those roads and highways in Karabakh? I think what matters the most is the outcome, which is great, not how exactly the money was spent.

[CatWoman]

Instead of building soo much infastructure, we should build up an economy. Infastructure is more than enough to link us to Iran and Georgian ports.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the roads being built are essential to Armenia's economy! I mean think about it, how can a country improve its economy when it takes days to go from a village to another because of the conditions of roads there. Plus, it's easier and faster to send troops to the borders in case Azarbaijan attacks us at Karabakh.

[MadHandle]

I did "donate" money...but not through this or any other fund. I just sent money straight to people I know. That way you make sure the people get it. I know Armenia and I'm pretty sure some of that money ends up in someones pocket that it shouldn't be in. Thats the main thing that needs to improve before the economy.


and its good business for Kirk to be donating that money, it saves him a lot on taxes...but abviously, its good for Armenia. So its all good on both ends.

[Hayq]

No, we are building infastructure in Arstakh for military purposes. If we were to be smarter and link ourselves to Georgia, we could gain a lot more money and raise our GDP. What do you do with GDP? YOU FUND YOUR OWN ROADS AND MILITARY TO DEFEND YOURSELF!

Now, I would love to donate money to Armenia, but that just makes me feel bad because I feel that I am turning it into some kind of welfare state. So, I much rather get together with some friends and open up an IT industry in Armenia that could serve the CIS and IRAN, rather than build roads!

2mln Armenians in Armenia will not stay flong if they dont have jobs. then there would be no need for roads because of Armenians and Armenia spending money on stupid things such as ROADS IN ARTSAKH!

[TigranJamharian]

omg, i hate getting confrontational but you really have to stop talking out of your ass, first of all there is a working railroad to georgia and it carries 90% of Armenias exports to Poti and Batumi.
What do you do with GDP? do you know what gdp stands for? Gross domestic product, it means the combined value of all the things produced in your country. now when you show me how to fund roads and the military with a number then i will say you are correct.
Roads and any infrustructure for that matter is essential for any economy, otherwise, you cant move commodities and you cant provide services. You want an IT industry? well if the government hadnt build phone lines to allow internet connections your "IT industry" wouldnt be worth much would it?
Once again if there were better roads and other infrastructure people could travel further for jobs and companies could ship their products to other companies and essentially work an economy.
When you call building roads stupid you must realize you should take a simple course in economics or history before you start talking again.

[Hayq]

Hey, Gay Rocky, listen up, these roads are built in Artsakh for military purposes. The Armenian government is turning into a leech off of the Disapora. This money needs to go to build a better road from Yerevan to Gyumri to Batumi.

That TRAIN only runs once a day and with limited cars. i have seen it myself.

I seriously think you are the one talking out of your arse, mate.

[xBaron Dants]

The road to Artsakh, besides its military use, is critical for the economy. Goods from Artsakh can travel to the main markets in Yerevan and then abroad a lot faster, and for a lot less money. Same goes for goods that will go to Artsakh..

And to elaborate on what Tigran said, Government spending is one of the elements that are included in the calculation of GDP, along with Personal consumption, gross investment and net import. Therefore, this does go in the calculations of the GDP. I think we should focus more on Personal Income than GDP though.

[TigranJamharian]

Hey, Gay Rocky, listen up, these roads are built in Artsakh for military purposes. The Armenian government is turning into a leech off of the Disapora. This money needs to go to build a better road from Yerevan to Gyumri to Batumi.

That TRAIN only runs once a day and with limited cars. i have seen it myself.

I seriously think you are the one talking out of your arse, mate.

Of course the military purpose is part of it you fool but do you open your damn ears or not, are you listening to all we are saying about how infrastructure is critical for the economy or are you simply illiterate?
The government is turning into a leech off the Diaspora? what the hell do you mean by that, if you mean that they take donations from the diaspora and use most of it for the betterment of the country then i agree.
What is with you and the obsession with georgia? In what way is that road more important than the highway linking all of arstsakh with Armenia? I dont know how many times the train runs per day or with how many cars because i havent stood by the track for an entire 24 hours and waited to see how many times it runs(like you did of course) but i do know that if there was more demand for that train then there would be more trains per day, simple economics and simple business. As long as there is more demand for shipping things to georgian ports then the railroad company will run more trains in order to make more money. honestly can you please go educate yourself before you post again.

[Hayq]

FOOL! A road in Arstakh sure helps Armenia prosper in its trade with the world! We need to have beter relations with Georgia, being our northern Neighbors and having access to the sea, this is a perfect friendship that will bring Armenian trade to European Markets!

Artsakh is almost empty, and the only thing they can provide is food!

Do you think I am suggesting that infastrucutre is not neccesary? Of course it is Neccesary, like Adolf Hitler's Autobahn and South Korea's Infastructural projects of the 1960s were all a necesary part of increasing industrial output. HOWEVER, what these nations had that Armenia lacks is access to ports! Friendly relations with Georgia IS A PRIORITY.

Put off ancient grudges, no Georgian or Armenian in this world would risk profit for somethign as stupid as a cultural grudge.

[TigranJamharian]

i hate having arguments with people like you who backtrack and change around their words and those of the other person. very annoying. did i ever say we dont need better relations with georgia? no. secondly, our relationship is good but has room for improvement. if you didnt know saakashvili and his wife just visited Armenia, and they are discussing lowering tariffs and shipping costs. As for European markets, id like to let you know that the EU is Armenia's biggest trade partner. Improving roads between us and georgia is not a neccesity, opening up the railroad in abkhazia and kars are priorities, that way shipping to the rest of Europe will be much cheaper than any way through the ports.
Trade with the outside world is not all their is. If Artsakh is ever to be considered a part of Armenia by the international community we need to show our commitment to its development and to its integration into Armenia.
Again noone said friendly relations with georgia is not a priority what I did say was that building more roads to georgia was not as important as improving Artsakhs road systems and integrating it into Armenia.
There was no ancient grudges mentioned here, I myself have a few georgian friends. But we Armenians and georgians overall are not the best of friends. Even today most Armenians have disdain for georgians but it is nowhere near the anti-Armenian hysteria that has been in georgia for the past 15 years.

[Armenian]

In this discussion I have to agree with "Tigran," that is, if anyone cares to know what my opinion is.

Gay Rocky???

[CatWoman]

In this discussion I have to agree with "Tigran," that is, if anyone cares to know what my opinion is.

Gay Rocky???

Tigran is pretty smart for a 17 year old... don't you think! :)

[Tigranes]

xxxx the georgians, they are "Christian" replicas of azeris...

Hayq, there are others means of liberating Batum and Trabzon :naughty:

[TigranJamharian]

Tigran is pretty smart for a 17 year old... don't you think! :)

Thank you m'am! :D

[!EEK]

Thank you m'am! :D


Bravo deghass...atchab khelatzi dera me tchi dessa. Tanti Catwoman ouragh e. Himma, inch goozes el lal erp vor medznass?

[Hayq]

xxxx the georgians, they are "Christian" replicas of azeris...

Hayq, there are others means of liberating Batum and Trabzon :naughty:

You dont have to love the Georgians. With a strong economy and a strong military, Armenia can be the dominant of the three states. Furthermore, Armenians practically controlled Tblisi.

Arstakh was a big mistake to begin with. Now that is is under Armenian hands, what are we going to do? NO ONE LIVES THERE!

Armenia is empty, nothing more than old people and women. We need to stop all money going to Artsakh, more money needs to be brought into Armenia so Armenians can stay (and even return) to Armenia. Arstakh is not going to provide anything but food, and the agriculture department is being a d*ck and shipping off all the foods to other countries instead of leaving it in the country for the people to eat.

Armenia has a nucelear power plan in a seismic area that EXPORTS electricity at a much lower price to TURKEY and GEORGIA rather than to Armenians. Yes, that is some kind of genius idea we Armenians have. we need to get away from the Russians, in my opinion. There is nothing we can gain economically, they own most of our business' and they provide foreign consumers cheaper products than to the local armenians.

BUSINESS IN ARMENIA IS A FAILURE! All the wealthy people that need to pay taxes, dont! That is the problem. We have a 14 percent growth in the GDP but absolutely NO DIFFERNCE in living standards. WHY? Because they pocket all the money. That is why you need to stop sendign money to these bull sh*t telethons and start investing in the country yourself. Kirk is smart, he does it himself rather than giving that filth the money.

In conclusion, phuck the telethon and phuck the Armenian Government. I am hoping soo much that a new Europeann leader can emerge! I am tired of being a Russian puppet, better off being a European puppet.

[sleuth]

BUSINESS IN ARMENIA IS A FAILURE! All the wealthy people that need to pay taxes, dont! That is the problem. We have a 14 percent growth in the GDP but absolutely NO DIFFERNCE in living standards. WHY? Because they pocket all the money. That is why you need to stop sendign money to these bull sh*t telethons and start investing in the country yourself. Kirk is smart, he does it himself rather than giving that filth the money.



I agree.Aremanias current economic path is dead. In one hand,There is a near complete dependance on external gifts(telethons hahaha) and loans with a little progress toward self sufficiency . Business investment is ridiculous and the reason is business is hamped by corruption and inconsistently applied laws and regulations.
And the other hand, complete dependance from Russia,if not Russia then Europ.Our status quo is Puppet.

[TigranJamharian]

when your populations is 3 million and you are the size of maryland there is not many more options that puppet. And as of now there is no way we can abandon russia, russia is our insurance against turkish invasion and our support for a possible future war with azerbaijan.
its really funny how ungrateful you people are and call the Armenians who dedicate their time, effort and money to betterment of Armenia filth, while you dont do shyt but sit at home typing idealogical, unrealistic bullshyt.