armenian language now

[gggpearl]

hi all,
i just wondered how we value our language and how we treat it. sometimes it seems that we really do not appreciate what may be one of the most valuable things that is armenian. i don't know why but it is often the case that we like non-armenian things.
so i wonder how many armenians know armenian, and what the armenian language means to the armenians (if it means anything at all to them).
thanks, g.

[Hayq]

To me, the Language is the most important aspect of a race.

THerefore, we should work on standardizing our language (haha western armenian).

THe best way of doing this is instituting a common curriculum amongst schools and an Armenian Dictionary!

[nunechka]

hayq this thread isnt about the education system or the different types of armenian accents...

pearl, i aboxxxxely love the armenian language, i speak it, read and write it...

i have come to love it more and more because as i got older i realized that i can translate anything into armenian, but its really hard to translate armenian to another language, it was annoying at first, but then i realized that its because our language has MANY MANY more words to describe SOOO many things...

when i speak armenian i feel like i have more vocabulary then english, and i have been speaking english since i was 10... my vocab in english is quite extensive, and i am surprised that i cannot find the exact translations of certain words...

language is the key to the culture...

[!EEK]

Armenian is also useful to speak against other people in a public place and no one understands...since there aren't that much armenians in belgium it works perfectly..it's like a secret language :p I loove it


"As aboosh marte inch kech ge hodiii...uuufffff, yes oorish der que nesstim" :laugh: Well I'm not that mean to people ;)

[Hayq]

There are too many Armenians here, it does not have the same effect as EEK's.

Plus, the Mexicans are real insecure when you talk to them in a different language, they stare you down!

[nunechka]

ohh and they dont speak spanish in front of everyone? they do it ALL THE TIME!
we hardly ever do it... only when its super duper necessary, but they do it like its nothing...

when i go to the store and the person working there is mexican, they stare at me and speak spanish! and then laugh! then the men workers say something that I KNOW IS OFFENSIVE! and they stare at me... they dont know that i speak spanish too, just because i am armenian doesnt mean i cant speak spanish!...

THEY CAN EAT MY SH!T...

:p

[Hayq]

I like your style, nunechka. That is true, online too, mexican kids would end up inviting me there and start saying stupid things...iknow its about me because they keep calling me el wedo (the white guy).

Hey, let them have their cheap fun.

[Hayq]

Good Job, Gaucho. Are you from Argentina or something?

And some of us post at different forums. but this one is special.

[!EEK]

Well it's always better to learn as much as languages as possible. You get so many vocabulary, collocial words , everything that grows your culture and your way of life and armenian is absolooootly a must if you are armenian! I rmemeber when I was 7 or so,whining during our trip to my grand ma's to learn armenian.....but now I speak it well and I'm so happy my parents forced me to go there :D

I speak Dutch, French, English, Armenian and Spanish...anywhere I go I'll have my "secret language"...oh and I know all the bad words in Lebanese :p



edit: I used to post on other forums but since I'm here, I'm exclusively active on AC forums....you can tell by viewing my post count ;) 18/day !!

[!EEK]

and lebanese is not a language lol khentoog.
it's Arabic with a lebanese accent. which gets on my nerves lol sounds pretty gay. it's pretty feminine.

Kidem paits parrer gan vor nooine chen...hmmm terrevess djichd ess, it's the accent...Well anyway its "Lebanese"

Be assured, I'm not "Shooooooo, kif ek Gaucho (whats ur name btw)...."

[Thai-Samurai]

wow that is a lot of languages, that's pretty cool I wish I knew more than just Armenian and English.

[Hayq]

Kids in Europe pick up languages very quickly. He is from Belgium where the Walloons and the Flems divide the country and both their languages are official (French and Dutch). I assume they teach both in school...but that is just a guess.

[!EEK]

I'm in a french school so I learn french as my primary language. My mom is french too so it's pretty obvious. Since we live in Belgium, we have to learn dutch. Then we can choose between german or spanish and I chose spanish. English is a must and I've learned armenian thanks to my dad's family

[ArmoBarbi]

Out of all the things my mother deprived me of as a child, our language is one of the most important to me. I have always tried to pick up bits when around Armenian speakers, but such occasions were rare in my childhood. I live in a waspy town in Michigan. I never get to hear Armenian on the street and it is not an option at the schools. I've already decided that I am going to learn Armenian as a part of my BA, and go to Armenia for a while to be immersed after college. (I am looking into the Peace Corps) I live in Russian and English, and I learned French through school. It bothers me a lot that I dont speak Armenian. I am so excited to learn it.

[Thai-Samurai]

How does the Peace Corps work in Armenia, what do they do there? That's interesting.

[ArmoBarbi]

I would go to teach English, but you can go on their website and check for other things. They let you select a country and read up on it. I dont remember any other things besides teaching English, but I dont want to mislead you, so just go and check for yourself. www.peacecorps.org

I bet it would be a great experience. They even let people go as married couples if they can provide a certificate. My history prof is retiring after next semester and going to Africa for 4 years. As soon as she said she was going to Africa, I knew she joined the Peace Corps - just like her to make me respect her after disliking her all semester!

[Thai-Samurai]

ok thanx, lol Africa.

[HyeJinx1984]

To me, the Language is the most important aspect of a race.

THerefore, we should work on standardizing our language (haha western armenian).

THe best way of doing this is instituting a common curriculum amongst schools and an Armenian Dictionary!

Yes and no. I think Language is the thing that binds us the most because it's a quick way of knowing who is and isn't Armenian. With just a single word, you already know a lot about the person (at least in theory). However, language can't be where it ends. If being Armenian just means I took two semesters of a foreign language class at Valley College, well then I better just go kill myself now... someone please prove me wrong.

Also, I don't agree with teaching non-Armenians our language. It's ours. One time a white girl was trying to be cute and said "Bari Loos" to me one morning... I smiled politily, but in my head I was thinking to myself "You have no right to use those words." I'm a freak, I know.

[HyePrincess]

I speak it only (pss. i was born here some ppl dont even no how to speak it lol) i use to no how to read armenian and write cuz i went to armenian school but then i quit and forgot the reading and writing part lol

[HyeJinx1984]

I speak it only (pss. i was born here some ppl dont even no how to speak it lol) i use to no how to read armenian and write cuz i went to armenian school but then i quit and forgot the reading and writing part lol

I just recently learned how to read and write Armenian. It's so cool!! And if you know how to speak already, you'll take to it like a fish takes to water... it's a lot of letters to memorize, but within a few weeks you'll know the alphabet like the back of your hand. It's weird, once I learned to read and write, I've been writing non-stop. Just random stuff too, there's tons of papaers just sitting around my room with words scribbled all over them... my mom is starting to get a little freaked out, it's like that scene from the shining...

[xBaron Dants]

I just recently learned how to read and write Armenian. It's so cool!! And if you know how to speak already, you'll take to it like a fish takes to water... it's a lot of letters to memorize, but within a few weeks you'll know the alphabet like the back of your hand. It's weird, once I learned to read and write, I've been writing non-stop. Just random stuff too, there's tons of papaers just sitting around my room with words scribbled all over them... my mom is starting to get a little freaked out, it's like that scene from the shining...


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....you made my day.

I was going to ask you about your progress...So you have it all down now?

[HyeJinx1984]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....you made my day.

I was going to ask you about your progress...So you have it all down now?

This is going to sound really silly... but I don't really have the names of my letters down. I know my Aypupen. but not really in order. I can't go A-Z... or in our case A-....... what's the last letter again?

Oh and by the way... you arevmed xxxxers!!! (<--- *Points to "why we always fail" thread) I'm talking like you now!!! lol. It's ok, I kinda like it. For some reason my Western armenian makes more sense than my eastern, weird since I JUST learned it.

[xBaron Dants]

lol, that's just cute, not knowing the order of the letters. I'd say it's just detail though, if you actually know how to read and write them.


Yev mezi shad siretsir ché? Pari yegar arevmdahayeroon kov :) Heh, there's no harm in learning the "other" dialect. You can make fun of both of them now. :p

[HyeJinx1984]

lol, that's just cute, not knowing the order of the letters. I'd say it's just detail though, if you actually know how to read and write them.


Yev mezi shad siretsir ché? Pari yegar arevmdahayeroon kov :) Heh, there's no harm in learning the "other" dialect. You can make fun of both of them now. :p

Yegoor hos, meti pos. :p Barsgahav, che yelav...

[sSsflamesSs]

I just recently learned how to read and write Armenian. It's so cool!! And if you know how to speak already, you'll take to it like a fish takes to water... it's a lot of letters to memorize, but within a few weeks you'll know the alphabet like the back of your hand. It's weird, once I learned to read and write, I've been writing non-stop. Just random stuff too, there's tons of papaers just sitting around my room with words scribbled all over them... my mom is starting to get a little freaked out, it's like that scene from the shining...

Jinx, that's awesome. Very proud of you. :)

And the last line...I couldn't stop laughing!

[CatWoman]

Ok I think this is a stupid question, but I was reading some of your posts and I realized that arevmedahays are called western armenians and hayastansis eastern... Now my question is, how about barskahays? Middle eastern Armenians?

[xBaron Dants]

Barsgahyes are Arevelahyes (eastern).

[CatWoman]

Barsgahyes are Arevelahyes (eastern).

Got it, thanks. :D

[Che_Ka]

Yev mezi shad siretsir ché?

My keraganootyoon booklet tells me it's supposed to be zmez, not mezi. lol :D

[xBaron Dants]

My keraganootyoon booklet tells me it's supposed to be zmez, not mezi. lol :D

Paregam, khosadznis sharagan che!

Kich me hankisd tské yev ad kirkin, yev indzi. :laugh:

[Che_Ka]

LOL! Inch unem, gyankis nbadagu vgid arevmdahayeren khosiln e!

Artyok gu jnnetsnem gor zkez? lol

[xBaron Dants]

looooool, "bes" jnnetsnel me? Bayteloo asdijan..

[!EEK]

arevmdahayeren

ok..:o..Here I go... :o..whats arevmdahay? Some kind of hay comming from a sunny place? :(

[Che_Ka]

De haydeh nayim, nsdir baytir. Hokus al an er. :D

[Che_Ka]

eek: lol When you spell it in Armenian, you spell it "H-A-Y" even though you pronounce it "hye." :)

[xBaron Dants]

Eek: arevmdahayeren is Western Armenian (arevmoodk = west). Arevelahayeren is Eastern Armenian (arevelk = east).

Arevmdahyes are people who speak Western Armenian, and who originally come from Western Armenia (like you and I). Arevelahyes are those who speak Eastern Armenian, and come from Eastern Armenia (Hayastan, Iran...)

Che Ka...shad lav al kides vor yeté bayteyi, lal me goo layir voooooooor...

[xBaron Dants]

Eek, toon as dghoon mdig mi ener...im patsadrootyoonners garta..

As Che Ka-n inch ge khosi, inkn al chi kider..

[!EEK]

Eek, toon as dghoon mdig mi ener...im patsadrootyoonners garta..

As Che Ka-n inch ge khosi, inkn al chi kider..
Kidem, schnoragalem...I was typing when you posted this. Thanks now I'm less stupid! :D

[Che_Ka]

Oops, I gave an explanation to a question that wasn't even asked. lol Whatever, I could have done a better job than the Pear did.

;)

[xBaron Dants]

Oops, I gave an explanation to a question that wasn't even asked. lol Whatever, I could have done a better job than the Pear did.

;)


eradzit hamemad shad ge khosis...

[Che_Ka]

Che che, shad al lav kidem te inch gu khosim. Mi mornar, yes azkayin varjarani shrchanavard em. :evil:

[xBaron Dants]

azkayin gam hamazkayin? Darper paner en toon al..

[Che_Ka]

grrr azkayin.

Aysinkn lav vor "ayo" yev "voch" pareru kidesgor, Baron. :D

[xBaron Dants]

grrr azkayin.

Aysinkn lav vor "ayo" yev "voch" pareru kidesgor, Baron. :D

menk entanrabes ayo gseyink...

"azkayin" varjaranin yerp modenank sagayn, entanrabes "voch" e badaskhannin.. :confused:

Gardzem jkhdaganootyoone mezmé aveli lav sorver en..

[Che_Ka]

abowww. badaskhan choonim.

yegour pattuvink noren. lol

[xBaron Dants]

hahahahahahahahhahaa!

Desar, toon al "ayo" esoghneren es ooremn! Payts pattoog chi ga hos. :(

[Che_Ka]

Yes na ayo g'usem, na al voch. (did you get the "na" thing? lol)

Lav, ooremn g'erevagayenk mer pattooguh. lol Des, yerevagayetsi.

[!EEK]

EHeh, aiss khotzaktssootioone shad pan eh...hmmmm... par me oonink "gay" i hamar hayerenin metche?

[xBaron Dants]

miaseragan? gam "gojag"...

Paregam, mortsir toon as odarneroon esadznere..menk hayers martamod antser enk. pattoog mattoog shad barz paner en mezi hima.

na gay kidenk, na may (ayo Che Ka, hasgtsa "na"n).

[!EEK]

Yess al hassketssa inch essele "na"...:rolleyes:

Dants, toon inch hoss geness, I'm PMin badasskhane :evil:

Chka, could you tell I'm not wholy armenian?:D

[xBaron Dants]

EEK! asi meg ankam bidi esem...wholy moly Armenian paner chses.

Hay hay e..yeghav verchatsav. Amennis al wholy enk, yev holy enk (sourp joghovoort enk, chi mornas :) ). Mi chghaynatsner indzi asang panerov ha!

[Che_Ka]

LOL Chei lsadz "gojag" paru ngarakrelou hamar miaseraganneru...

Bonus points sdatsar "na"n hasgnalou hamar YEV mezi-n jisht tsevov kordzadzelou hamar. ;)

[Che_Ka]

eek: che babam. na ngadetsi, na al bedk er ngadei vor toon ampoghchovin hay ches. (omg, ANY excuse to use "na" lol)

[gggpearl]

Es inchqanov haskaca aystegh bolory xosum en miayn arevmtahayeren, aysinqn Hayastanic mard chka? ete ayo, uremn uzum ei dzeznic imanal, kan yndhnarapes inch-vor hastatutyunner dzer mot, vortegh usucanum en arevelahayeren?
Baci dranic, duq erevi inch-vor varjarannerum eq sovorel arevelaheyereny, karogh eq xorhurd tal, te vor arevelahayereni dasagirqn e aveli lav, ev vorteghic kareli e ayn zerq berel?
Shnorhakalutyun!

[sSsflamesSs]

Es inchqanov haskaca aystegh bolory xosum en miayn arevmtahayeren, aysinqn Hayastanic mard chka? ete ayo, uremn uzum ei dzeznic imanal, kan yndhnarapes inch-vor hastatutyunner dzer mot, vortegh usucanum en arevelahayeren?
Baci dranic, duq erevi inch-vor varjarannerum eq sovorel arevelaheyereny, karogh eq xorhurd tal, te vor arevelahayereni dasagirqn e aveli lav, ev vorteghic kareli e ayn zerq berel?
Shnorhakalutyun!

Voch, Hayastanic mard ka. :)

Aysinqn, Hayastanum em cnvel, baic hima aprum em AMN-um.

Baic, cavoq srti, yes chem karogh grqeri harce patasxanel.

[!EEK]

Is still don't get it why we won't use "kh" for "x"...it takes quit a while to find out which pronunciation of "x" is needed in that particular word.

[gggpearl]

it is just a matter of tradition, for those who are from armenia i guess it does not make any confusion shich can be accounted for russian, besides it is the way that sound is transliterated but all this is not that important

[leana]

Es inchqanov haskaca aystegh bolory xosum en miayn arevmtahayeren, aysinqn Hayastanic mard chka? ete ayo, uremn uzum ei dzeznic imanal, kan yndhnarapes inch-vor hastatutyunner dzer mot, vortegh usucanum en arevelahayeren?
Baci dranic, duq erevi inch-vor varjarannerum eq sovorel arevelaheyereny, karogh eq xorhurd tal, te vor arevelahayereni dasagirqn e aveli lav, ev vorteghic kareli e ayn zerq berel?
Shnorhakalutyun!

Iraganutyan metch hos (syria)i metch chunenk hasdadutyunner vor arevelahayeren ge sorvetsnen. & sovorapar mer aroryan arevmdahayeren e. gerevi te arevelahayeren sorvelu miyag tseve hayasdan yertal & hon abrilne…
By the way I want to tell that the arevelahayerene shad anush guka aganchin hadgabes yerp keghatem & nurp yerevantsi yeridasart & yeridasartuhinere ge khosin.
But amene hedakerkeragane vor verchin yertalus HAYASDAN indzi esoghner yeghan te arevmdahayerene aveli nurp e & te irenk medz papak unin sorvelu .. it's really interesting

[leana]

miaseragan? gam "gojag"...

Paregam, mortsir toon as odarneroon esadznere..menk hayers martamod antser enk. pattoog mattoog shad barz paner en mezi hima.

na gay kidenk, na may (ayo Che Ka, hasgtsa "na"n).
baron dants yes pararanin metch pndretsi & chi kda gojag parin miyaseragan imasde... artyok joghovrtagan hasarag par me ne?

[nairi]

Es inchqanov haskaca aystegh bolory xosum en miayn arevmtahayeren, aysinqn Hayastanic mard chka? ete ayo, uremn uzum ei dzeznic imanal, kan yndhnarapes inch-vor hastatutyunner dzer mot, vortegh usucanum en arevelahayeren?
Baci dranic, duq erevi inch-vor varjarannerum eq sovorel arevelaheyereny, karogh eq xorhurd tal, te vor arevelahayereni dasagirqn e aveli lav, ev vorteghic kareli e ayn zerq berel?
Shnorhakalutyun!

Sovetakan Hayastanum arevmtahayereni dasagirq ein tpum, orinak "Mayreni Lezu"-n. Libanonum yev Franciaum el kan.

Arevelahayereni el girq shat ka. Miayn Glendali grqi khanutnerum bavakanin kan. Te che hamalsaranum.

[xBaron Dants]

baron dants yes pararanin metch pndretsi & chi kda gojag parin miyaseragan imasde... artyok joghovrtagan hasarag par me ne?

ayo...poghotsayinneroo khosk. :laugh:

[Thai-Samurai]

Inchiii masin go khosakh, vorhedeveeh yes' chemgornargor oodem cher khosgerha

[!EEK]

Inchiii masin go khosakh, vorhedeveeh yes' chemgornargor oodem cher khosgerha

translation: Inchii masin ge khosseek, vorhovedev, yess chem gernargor (oodem? You mean "eating?") haskenal, tsser khosgeren

[Che_Ka]

Leana: Parev! Oorakh em vor ays nuit-in mech sgsar krelou. Hishetootsir zis for bedk e koo message-t badaskhanem!! lol Sorry! Midkes polorovin pakhav.

Payts meg pan mu g'oozei usel. Hos, Los Angeles-i mech, gan kani mu hasdadootyoonner oor grnank arevelaheyeren sorvil. Anshooshd amenen kidtsvadzn e Chamlian Azkayin Varjaran-u, oor ashagerdneru hayeren lezvi baheroon gu pajnvin yergooki - meg khoompu gu sorvi arevmdahayeren, isg muisn al arevelahayeren. Chamlianu gu kdnvi LA-i Glendale taghamasin mech, oor g'abrin yergoo parparnerou khosoghner...shad tiverov.

Arshag Dikranian Varjaranu gu kdnvi Hollywood-i mech, oor hayeroun medzamasnoutyoonu gu khosi arevelahayeren, ooremn terevs ayt tbrotsn al arevelahayeren gu sorvetsne - payts pavarar deghegootyoon choonim.

Haygagan varjarannere zad, zanazan oorish michotsnerov grnank arevelahayeren sorvil. Meg hadn e Glendale College-i tasuntatskneru. Naev, LA-i mech gan shad oorish hamalsaranner oor grnank sorvil yergoo parparneru (CSUN, UCLA, etc).

Tasakirkerou masin yes loor choonim payts...

[Che_Ka]

Vorosh chapov gu hamatsaynim. Payts yete voch parpar - ooremn inch par kodzadzenk ngarakrelou hamar ays darperoutyoonneru?

[Thai-Samurai]

translation: Inchii masin ge khosseek, vorhovedev, yess chem gernargor (oodem? You mean "eating?") haskenal, tsser khosgeren

No I beleive I said; "Inchi masin g' kosik? Vorohedev yes chem hasganum tzer asatz' " Now wasn't that better?

[IAmMadAtAC]

i think if u dont or cant speak the armenian language or in fact practice the armenian culture u have no right to say u are armenian

You say "or", what if someone meets one of those qualifications but not the other? Are they just half Armenians then? What if there are extenuating circumstances for why they can't speak Armenian?

[IAmMadAtAC]

I think you're wrong.
and a majority of East Coast Armenians prove that. (Armenians from Boston, Philadelphia, NY, etc...)
they're 3rd or 4th or even 5th generation American Armenians...they come from pure Armenian families, they're very Armenian spirited. they work hard for the Armenian cause... in different organizations... without knowing a word of Armenian.(except for "parev" with an accent :D )
I've met and made friends with a lot of em.

Thank you gaucho, that's exactly what I was getting at- me being a Philadelphia Armenian. I despise the way some Armenians like IDontCare
like to put themselves above me because they know more Armenian and therefor are "real Armenians". I will not have anyone tell me who feel more or less Armenian than me. It's possible to grow up speaking it but hate your nationality, its totally unfair to those who don't know it to classify all that don't know it is a non-real Armenian. Besides, I could look down on all of you for barely being Americans. I've had many more generations living here than most of the "real Armenians".