This is what Armenia needs

[Thai-Samurai]

HANRAPETUTYUN PARTY CITES GEORGIA AND UKRAINE TO JUSTIFY CHANGE OF POWER
YEREVAN, OCTOBER 24, ARMENPRESS: Aram Sarkisian, the chairman of Armenia's most radical opposition Hanrapetutyun (Republic) party, told a news conference today that his party's drive to unseat the incumbent regime is not to take revenge on separate individuals, but is ' a clash of interests."
Sarkisian denounced the current foreign policy, saying the best guarantee of security is to have at leas neighborly relations with neighboring countries.
He also argued that a change of power would result in drastic economic growth, citing the examples of neighboring Georgia whose budget has increased four times since the inception of president Saakashvili's administration and also of Ukraine where criminal cases were launched in privatization deals of around 1,200 enterprises, part of which will be auctioned again and another part nationalized.

Yeah that'll show the mafia, investigations into their dirty work.

[Anonymouse]

Armenia is looking more and more of a lost cause methinks.

[TigranJamharian]

Armenia is looking more and more of a lost cause methinks.

how can your nation be a lost cause? It will come around eventually as long as we all try do whats in our power. The question is when. Id like to think the 2008 Presidential elections would be something else. I am really hoping for this referendum to pass, as if it doesnt it will be at least another year before something else is drawn up and there is no guarantee it will be anything better, it can always be changed later, but we must take anything that is a step or two ahead at this point.

[TomServo]

What will the referendum do?

[axel]

HANRAPETUTYUN PARTY CITES GEORGIA AND UKRAINE TO JUSTIFY CHANGE OF POWER
YEREVAN, OCTOBER 24, ARMENPRESS: Aram Sarkisian, the chairman of Armenia's most radical opposition Hanrapetutyun (Republic) party, told a news conference today that his party's drive to unseat the incumbent regime is not to take revenge on separate individuals, but is ' a clash of interests."
Sarkisian denounced the current foreign policy, saying the best guarantee of security is to have at leas neighborly relations with neighboring countries.
He also argued that a change of power would result in drastic economic growth, citing the examples of neighboring Georgia whose budget has increased four times since the inception of president Saakashvili's administration and also of Ukraine where criminal cases were launched in privatization deals of around 1,200 enterprises, part of which will be auctioned again and another part nationalized.

Yeah that'll show the mafia, investigations into their dirty work.

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Georgians trained in Serbia

By Gayane Movsesian

Georgia is the first post-Soviet country where the power was changed according to a scenario written abroad. That scenario was first successfully tested in Yugoslavia in 2000.

"The Georgian score was played accurately and coordinated. It was written as early as three years ago in Yugoslavia," Nikolay Kovaliov, deputy chairman of the Russian State Duma's Security Committee and former Federal Security Service (FSS) director told the Vesti Nedeli program on the Russian TV. He said that his committee has conducted a study of the Georgian events, and has come to a conclusion that "the Georgian coup was prepared according to the Belgrade example."

"What happened in Georgia was not an accident," Kovaliov said. "As far as I know, the preparation was over in early Spring of 2003."
Kovaliov said the people, who were to do it, were trained in Serbian camps, 70 km off Belgrade. "They chose promising politicians who could help to carry out the 'velvet revolution.'"

He claimed the Russian special services know for sure where these camps are located and that the Georgian opposition leaders were "frequent guests" in Serbia. "Saakashvili was in Serbia for 6 months," Kovaliov mentioned. "He had visited the camps then." The first thing they are taught there is how to take the streets. Everything began exactly from the streets.

September 2000. Yugoslavia is electing a president. Opposition Kostunica gets 48% of the votes which is a lot more than those of incumbent Milosevic. But the opposition is not satisfied. Milosevic is accused of fraud, people are urged to leave their job sites and take it to the streets. Things get to a point when people demand that the president stepped down. An interesting coincidence: the deadlines of the ultimatums to Milosevic and Shevardnadze were set to 3 p.m. local time.

At least ten thousand armed police were standing against hundreds of thousands of protesters in the streets of Tbilisi. It looked like a clash could not be avoided. But as soon as the situation escalated, the law enforcers disappeared. They left like they were ordered to do so, though Shevardnadze vowed order would be restored.

The picture was the same in Belgrade with one exception: the police there managed to use batons and tear gas, and then left. Another 100 percent coincidence: the wrist, the symbol of the Serbian nationalists, was seen also in the streets of Tbilisi. It was used by the youth organization Kmara (Enough), whose activists did not conceal they had learned the struggle methods in Yugoslavia. Is there a need to speak of the similarities of taking the Georgian parliament and the Serbian Skubshchina? Shevardnadze resigns to avoid bloodshed. Milosevic did the same in 2000.

No country claimed the responsibility for that political scenario. But one thing is remarkable. US Ambassador to Georgia Richard Miles, who is called a gravedigger of regimes, served in Azerbaijan in 1992-1993, where his activities resulted in ouster of President Elchibey and return of Heydar Aliyev.

In 1996-1999 Miles was the US Ambassador to Yugoslavia. In March, 1999 the bombings began, in October, 2000 Milosevic is ousted, and then the federation collapses. Then, the US diplomat carries out fruitful activities in Bulgaria, making the former king of that country, Simeon the prime minister of Bulgaria in May, 2001.

Kovaliov believes these events are not coincidental, as well as emerging of camps near Belgrade. "The camps started to operate in 2002," Kovaliov said. "They are funded mainly by the United States through non-governmental organizations."

As early as in May, some members of the Georgian parliament were demanding that Miles left the country, accusing him of interfering with the internal affairs of Georgia, but Shevardnadze did not dare to argue with Washington.

How would he know that the US State Department, who welcomed Miles' talks with Saakashvili, Burjanadze and Zhvania, had decided to bet on them and send the "old fox" to the archive? True, back in summer, Shevardnadze accused international organizations of assisting his opponents. It was exactly in that period that the Georgian press published reports that the Soros fund has provided $500,000 to the Kmara, which led the students' protests on the streets of Tbilisi.

The Soros fund has also funded the opposition Rustavi-2 TV channel. The Canadian newspaper Globe and Mail claimed that Soros organizations' money was used to transport opposition members to Tbilisi, and a huge screen was placed in front of the parliament building for Shevardnadze's opponents.

More disturbing is the information that individuals from six CIS countries, including Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia and Azerbaijan, were also trained in the Serbian camps, according to Kovaliov said. These instructors participated in the Tbilisi events. Who was trained – or is trained currently – to carry out revolutionary scenarios, especially in Armenia and Azerbaijan? And what is the objective? Is it just to change the façade, or there are further-going goals?

One should not rule out a possibility that the same could have happened in Armenia during the 2003 elections, but it did not happen for several reasons.

The Armenian leadership explains the unlikelihood of the Georgian scenario in Armenia by the facts that the Armenian economy is in a better shape, the election results were announced on time, the international observers' statements did not contain phrases such as "the elections did not reflect the will of the people." The leader of the opposition National Democratic party and National Assembly member Shavarsh Kocharian says the Georgian situation will repeat in Armenia in four years, during the next parliamentary elections.

The Constitution forbids Robert Kocharian to run for the third term, and this means that the pro-government political parties will lose the person that united them in the 2003 election. There is no obvious leader in the opposition camp either, so a situation like in Georgia may emerge in Armenia, which, Shavarsh Kocharian thinks, would be very dangerous for Armenia; in such a situation both the authorities and the opposition count on the people.

Many political scientists believe no political party – be it opposition or neutral -- can speak on behalf of the people since no party has a social basis. Tiny Armenia is overloaded with political parties, or rather organizations that claim to be such. There is no ideological diversity or charismatic leaders. There is only one difference between them, some are pro-government, others oppositional, meaning the formers are ruling, the latter are trying to take their place.

http://www.yerkir.am/eng/index.php?sub=newspaper_arm&exp=world&month=12&year=2003&number=05&id=3173

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3288547.stm

[Thai-Samurai]

whats the point of that last post?

[axel]

what's the point of yours? presenting Georgia and Ukraine as examples to follow? they are not.

[Thai-Samurai]

the bold part; where the mafia was being criminally investigated.

[axel]

then you must be naive.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Actually the current Ukranian government,after the ''orange revolution'',is on the verge of collapse.

Poor Ukranians,they really thought they made something important by supporting Yushenko and his little rich xxxxx. :(

Armenia doesn't need any ''orange'' and ''rose'' revolutions.A revolution in our country would create an unnecessary instability.Revolution is the last option.Consider the fact that i am a communist as well and i say this.


What we need is democracy.That is because when a government is democratically elected ,it has the support of the people and consequently the foreign nations take you more seriously since they know they can't intervene in the country's internal affairs with their NGOs with the aim to create ''orange'' and ''rose'' revolutions whenever they disapprove your policy.

Anyway the way i see it, we need a ''Movement'' from the people.The people must organize themselves in the syndicates,create their own party and then elect it.

Of course they must do some other things as well but this is not the place to talk about it.

[Thai-Samurai]

whatever, Armenia isn't gonna be a real democracy because the mafia is richer and more powerful than the gov't.

[Կարմիր Բ]

whatever, Armenia isn't gonna be a real democracy because the mafia is richer and more powerful than the gov't.

There is no such thing as ''armenia can't be a democracy because the mafia is too strong to deal with them''.With proper organizing and with good cadres it is not difficult.

The point is what are we going to do after we kick them out.

[Thai-Samurai]

you can't just kick them out they own everything, you have to prove that they ripped the country off, and have ties w/ gov't officials. You have to sue the whole system. Then build a new democracy w/ the money that the mafia has to give back. (which they won't want to). You risk chance of being killed by the mafia, and beaten by the gov't this whole time. Then you give the jobs to smart qualified Hyanaser people instead of the idiots in office now.

[Armenian]

Armenia does not need a revolution.

All nations have a mafia of some sort. In the US, the mafia is called the Neo-cons. In Armenia its the "Nor Hayer." America is a huge nation, Americans live better, the mafia does not effect the life of the average American. Armenia is a small fledgling nation, everything the mafia does can potentially effect the life of the average citizen.

However, Armenia will decend into chaos if it follows the path Georgia and Ukraine took. These two nations are in a lot of mess right now, I would not want to be in their shoes in the near future, especially Georgia's. The status quo needs to be maintained by Armenia as of now.

There is nothing you can do to stop the mafia, they exist within all countries. The Mayor of New York city just a hundred years ago was a criminal who owned gambling casinos and xxxxxhouses.

Armenians need to be proactive, they need to get invloved, they need to make their voices heard. The mafia will someday evolve into more tolerable forms.

Anyone who preaches revolution in the country right now is a traitor that needs to get flogged in public.

[karoaper]

Armenia does not need a revolution.

All nations have a mafia of some sort. In the US, the mafia is called the Neo-cons. In Armenia its the "Nor Hayer." America is a huge nation, Americans live better, the mafia does not effect the life of the average American. Armenia is a small fledgling nation, everything the mafia does can potentially effect the life of the average citizen.

However, Armenia will decend into chaos if it follows the path Georgia and Ukraine took. These two nations are in a lot of mess right now, I would not want to be in their shoes in the near future, especially Georgia's. The status quo needs to be maintained by Armenia as of now.

There is nothing you can do to stop the mafia, they exist within all countries. The Mayor of New York city just a hundred years ago was a criminal who owned gambling casinos and xxxxxhouses.

Armenians need to be proactive, they need to get invloved, they need to make their voices heard. The mafia will someday evolve into more tolerable forms.

Anyone who preaches revolution in the country right now is a traitor that needs to get flogged in public.

what's with you a flogging? fetish of some sort?

other than that, I agree. The country is too unstable all around for total shakedown.

[Armenian]

what's with you a flogging? fetish of some sort?

You picked that one up, eh. I am impressed. :laugh:

You see, I normally use the word "flogging" in public because I can't use the word "shot" or "hanged" in public. I hope you understand, that last thing I need is for you to think that I am into some kind of a flogging fetish.

Armenia does not need a revolution, it just needs a well educated and a proactive population. The problems we have in Yerevan have little to do with the Mafia. Our real problems are geo-political. In short, we are in a f-ed up neighborhood under f-ed up circumstances. We have a tiny landlocked country, tiny population, no natural resources, and we are surrounded by enemies big and small.

When one takes the aforementioned facts into consideration, one realizes that our fledgling republic is doing just fine. Armenia, with all her problems, is doing better than most of the former Soviet states. However, the pro-Turk xxxrun media and government here would like you to believe that Armenia's end is just around the corner.

[karoaper]

Agreed.
Armenians love life. They love family life, they love friends, they love dancing and keffs. In summary, we're resilient because with all the difficulties, people still love life. That stubborn determination is what's defying the geopolitical conditions and sircumstances. Also, we have certainly had conditions much worse than now.

Our biggest problem though is that Armenians are leaving Armenia too fast. This is a hard topic for me to talk about, cause I left myself. I might need to be flogged maybe. But I'm still a citizen of RA and still have an apartment in Yerevan to my name and I'll be damned if I don't return later on to give back to my nation. Astvats Ta.

Our second problem is that of our own nature. Armenians do love to put down other Armenians. Rather than seeing what unites us we love picking on what separates us. This has got to go. Don't the Turks have an expression (I'm paraphrazing): "Be afraid only when Armenians are united". Armenians showed a lot of solidarity during the war. But now during relative peace, we need to show the same solidarity and more.

As far as flogging, I've lived in US long enough not to be surprized by strange fetishes. :D But, at any rate, glad you're not into that.

[deniz]

Don't the Turks have an expression (I'm paraphrazing): "Be afraid only when Armenians are united".
No, we don't. That's the first time I hear this, or an expression about Armenians here. Armenia isn't and has never been a concern to us. Turks living in Turkey don't care about Armenia or its citizens. We are not obsessed like you. The real problem is the Diaspora that keeps annoying us with "relocation" here and "relocation" there and makes a living out of Armenians' feelings. What would the Diaspora be without their so-called "relocation"?

[Fadix3]

No, we don't. That's the first time I hear this, or an expression about Armenians here. Armenia isn't and has never been a concern to us. Turks living in Turkey don't care about Armenia or its citizens. We are not obsessed like you. The real problem is the Diaspora that keeps annoying us with "relocation" here and "relocation" there and makes a living out of Armenians' feelings. What would the Diaspora be without their so-called "relocation"?

M-oron, visit the website of any Turkish organization out there, the Canadian Turkish organization, ATAA, the Australian Turkish organization, ANY Turkish government website, and let see the easiness you'll have to find any that does not xxxxxxx itself and regurgitate its own b-ull-s-hit about the Armenians.

Where on Earth, have any Armenian groupe, or Armenia to that matter, an Institute of higher studies only concentrating on 'Turkish' studies? Your sick government has founded an Institute of Armenian studies, that each year get its founds increased, and which only exist to deny the 'so-called relocation.'

I can give bunch of examples of articles, in which Armenians are equated with lower than animals, and this written by respected Turkish 'professors' that do their livings only on the hate they have for the Armenians. Your Halacoglu who leacks his own excrement, or your Ataov.

Or, what about you, in what way have you contributed in this forum, beside your smelly mouth with an abnormal bacterial infestation from the last xxxxxxx you did to your professor doctors kissing Ataturk statue each morning and would fight for having their thong on Kemals anus, had he been alive and asked to get it wiped.

Am I durty? Perhaps yes, but idiots like yourself would only understand this sort of language.

[ArmenianKid]

whatever, Armenia isn't gonna be a real democracy because the mafia is richer and more powerful than the gov't.

with enough loyal police that wont be as hard as you think. but the loyal policemen in itself is hard when the mob is trying to buy them out.

[Armenian]

I might need to be flogged maybe.

:laugh: That was cute. I'll let winoman to do the flogging - he/she will like it.

On a serious note: what you said is essentially important to Armenia's survival. You have not broken your ties and you plan on returning. I don't have a problem with Armenians leaving Armenia for economic reasons, I have a problem with Armenians <<abandoning>> Armenia. You just made a noble claim by stating that you will retun to give back to your nation. Unfortunately, I don't see too much of that attitude.

Look at the overall Armenian population within LA - its very sad. Its always petty excuses and complaints. We Armenians have still not be able to develop a healthy sense of objective nationalism, its always conditional. and this appplies to both diaspora Armenians and native Armenians.

I myself am a Spiurkahai. However, I want to move to Armenia within the next few years. Like you, I want to give to the nation, I want to be a part of the evolution of the nation. I am fully aware that I am going to encounter a lot of hostility and corruption, but that is our fatherland, we cant give up. This is a chance we have been waiting for hundreds of years. Therefore, we need to be patient.

The corrupt officials and the mafia don't represent our culture and our nation, and they sure as hell won't determine our future.

[Armenian]

No, we don't... blah... blah... blah...

Don't you have a goat to molest?

"baa-baa-baa"

Hey, I hear her now. Run Turk boy run!

[TomServo]

Hopefully they'll allow dual citizenship. Why would people be opposed to it?

[deniz]

M-oron... / Or, what about you, in what way have you contributed in this forum, beside your smelly mouth with an abnormal bacterial infestation... / Your sick government...
Does your post give me the right to insult you back? Or will I get banned if I insult you (and your government) back because I'm a Turk? That was cheap.
You still need more upgrades.
Don't you have a goat to molest?
What kind of language is that? Did I insult you? Are there any moderators on this site? If yes, where are they? Why do they allow such posts? It makes me think this forum is cheap and racist.
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I just replied to karoaper and I still insist and am behind what I said: We do not have expressions about Armenians in Turkey. Period.

[Fadix3]

Does your post give me the right to insult you back? Or will I get banned if I insult you (and your government) back because I'm a Turk? That was cheap.
You still need more upgrades.

What kind of language is that? Did I insult you? Are there any moderators on this site? If yes, where are they? Why do they allow such posts? It makes me think this forum is cheap and racist.
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I just replied to karoaper and I still insist and am behind what I said: We do not have expressions about Armenians in Turkey. Period.

Go ahead, insult me back, and I'll leave the forum if you get banned. I am humble enough to do that.

As for you insulting my government. You're right, the Liberals did crap with the scandal. In cases you were not talking about Canada, but Armenia. Go ahead, insult its government for all I care, anyone should be free to insult governments, it won't affect me, and I don't like the Armenian government anyway, they still have the Soviet KGB mentality supressing the opposition, but it doesn't come near to what Aliev family does in Azerbaijan though.

[Armenian]

What kind of language is that? Did I insult you?

As you well know, the language was goatese. And you being here is an insult to me. Now, how's that Turkboy.

It makes me think this forum is cheap and racist.

This forum is for Armos not Turds. You belong in a Turkish forum. Real Armenians are racist when it comes to Turks and xxxs (I just typed three x-es because I know that the word "xxx" is in the same catagory as xxxx, xxxx and xxxx).

Therefore, I suggest you - hivand yeghnik :wave:

[TomServo]

This forum is for Armos not Turds. You belong in a Turkish forum. Real Armenians are racist when it comes to Turks and xxxs (I just typed three x-es because I know that the word "xxx" is in the same catagory as xxxx, xxxx and xxxx).
Hmm...

People of any ethnic background are welcome to post here and to give their input.

[AmerikanTurk]

As you well know, the language was goatese. And you being here is an insult to me. Now, how's that Turkboy.



This forum is for Armos not Turds. You belong in a Turkish forum. Real Armenians are racist when it comes to Turks and xxxs (I just typed three x-es because I know that the word "xxx" is in the same catagory as xxxx, xxxx and xxxx).

Therefore, I suggest you - hivand yeghnik :wave:

Woah tilt. You are saying that racism directed at Turks is a tradition of "real" Armenians. What is a "real" Armenian? Is it (a) one with completely un-diluted blood-lines? Or is it (b) anyone [regardless of ethnicity/blood-lines] who happens to be an official Armenian citizen? Or (c): does it include only the former, without regard for citizenship or residency? This is an important distinction to make, and I want to believe that it is an individual position, not a collective one. There is no denying that there are Turks who are racist against Armenians, regrettably. My question is, do you consider "being a real Armenian" to be a nationality or an ethnicity? Is a person of NON-Armenian descent who lives and works in Armenia, who pays it's taxes, who contributes to it's society, who serves in it's military, who swears allegiance to it's constitution and government, any less of an Armenian than you are?

[Don_Begian]

Real armenians are nationalists, not actually racists.
And the Turks are an enemy of our nation and our people, they stole our lands, murdered our people, oppress our current nation,... , so give me one good reason why we should "like" the Turks.

And thank God we're not the only ones. The majority of the european people is against the entrance of Turkey into EU.
Can you believe it: THere are already 2million Turks in Germany.

Of course, the arabs are a bigger problem for the european society than the Turks. The turks work more than the arabs, who are mostly streetcriminals, but yet the Turks remain Turks.
They are filty, muslim, and most of them don't respect the liberty of a human being.

Not that long ago a turk killed his own sister because she had a relationship with a christian boy, and there are more cases similar to that.

[deniz]

The turks work more than the arabs, who are mostly streetcriminals, but yet the Turks remain Turks.
Thank God we still remain Turk and we are proud of it. We do not have a problem with our identity, you should look at your own community first. You're divided like hell with many groups fighting with each other. You shouldn't compare Turkey to Belgium (which is a country I don't like), instead compare Turkey to Armenia and you'll notice the difference. I bet you couldn't live there.

[cumanicus]

Real armenians are nationalists, not actually racists.
And the Turks are an enemy of our nation and our people, they stole our lands, murdered our people, oppress our current nation,... , so give me one good reason why we should "like" the Turks.

And thank God we're not the only ones. The majority of the european people is against the entrance of Turkey into EU.
Can you believe it: THere are already 2million Turks in Germany.

Of course, the arabs are a bigger problem for the european society than the Turks. The turks work more than the arabs, who are mostly streetcriminals, but yet the Turks remain Turks.
They are filty, muslim, and most of them don't respect the liberty of a human being.

Not that long ago a turk killed his own sister because she had a relationship with a christian boy, and there are more cases similar to that.
Armenians who pretend the behaviours and words of racist Europeans are trying to show them as if they are the part of western society by this way. How a miserable situation.:)
Poor you.

[cumanicus]

Real armenians are nationalists, not actually racists.
And the Turks are an enemy of our nation and our people, they stole our lands, murdered our people, oppress our current nation,... , so give me one good reason why we should "like" the Turks.

And thank God we're not the only ones. The majority of the european people is against the entrance of Turkey into EU.
Can you believe it: THere are already 2million Turks in Germany.

Of course, the arabs are a bigger problem for the european society than the Turks. The turks work more than the arabs, who are mostly streetcriminals, but yet the Turks remain Turks.
They are filty, muslim, and most of them don't respect the liberty of a human being.

Not that long ago a turk killed his own sister because she had a relationship with a christian boy, and there are more cases similar to that.
Did you prove your "European identity" as an Armenian by this way? Did you make Europeans accept you with your dark, brunette Armenian skin when you use the same racist arguments? Do you think that Armenians seem more symphatic to Europeans now? Do you feel as if you are the member of white people now?:):):)

[Կարմիր Բ]

cumanicus you must be the fifth Turk that is saying the same pish over and over again.You are following your propaganda line like a good parrot of your state.That is why my friend, you Turks deserve your destiniy.Sheeps you were, sheeps you shall remain.

[cumanicus]

cumanicus you must be the fifth Turk that is saying the same pish over and over again.You are following your propaganda line like a good parrot of your state.That is why my friend, you Turks deserve your destiniy.Sheeps you were, sheeps you shall remain.
And you are the 20. Armenian that claim Turks follow propoganda line as a good parrot of your society. Sorry, but bad news my friend, there is no this kind of propoganda line in Turkey. These are my observations from your site. Noone in Turkey understand this situation, people don't care about Armenians or Armenia or diaspora or else. But of course it is easier to label "oh, this is propoganda line of Turkish state" since these kind of popular solutions are easier for you to understand. It seem that you live in some sort of pop culture that is funny for me. You create an interesting culture and you understand each other very well. Turks are barbar, Armenians are European, etc.:)

[Fadix3]

Yes, very prood of your nation, that is why I guess you are comparing a country who has population of 70 million, access to seas with a tiny country, which population hardly exceed 3 million, landlocked. Turkey's population and ressources should make it compare to Germany, France, UK..., it's far from it.

[Fadix3]

And you are the 20. Armenian that claim Turks follow propoganda line as a good parrot of your society. Sorry, but bad news my friend, there is no this kind of propoganda line in Turkey. These are my observations from your site. Noone in Turkey understand this situation, people don't care about Armenians or Armenia or diaspora or else. But of course it is easier to label "oh, this is propoganda line of Turkish state" since these kind of popular solutions are easier for you to understand. It seem that you live in some sort of pop culture that is funny for me. You create an interesting culture and you understand each other very well. Turks are barbar, Armenians are European, etc.:)

Repasting never answered answer.

M-oron, visit the website of any Turkish organization out there, the Canadian Turkish organization, ATAA, the Australian Turkish organization, ANY Turkish government website, and let see the easiness you'll have to find any that does not xxxxxxx itself and regurgitate its own b-ull-s-hit about the Armenians.

Where on Earth, have any Armenian groupe, or Armenia to that matter, an Institute of higher studies only concentrating on 'Turkish' studies? Your sick government has founded an Institute of Armenian studies, that each year get its founds increased, and which only exist to deny the 'so-called relocation.'

I can give bunch of examples of articles, in which Armenians are equated with lower than animals, and this written by respected Turkish 'professors' that do their livings only on the hate they have for the Armenians. Your Halacoglu who leacks his own excrement, or your Ataov.

Or, what about you, in what way have you contributed in this forum, beside your smelly mouth with an abnormal bacterial infestation from the last xxxxxxx you did to your professor doctors kissing Ataturk statue each morning and would fight for having their thong on Kemals anus, had he been alive and asked to get it wiped.

Am I durty? Perhaps yes, but idiots like yourself would only understand this sort of language.

[cumanicus]

Fadix, you posts full of swears and insults only show you more a childish freak, no one respect you if you behave like this little boy. Try to behave like a mature person and stop reading hundreds of conspiracy books about Turks and get a life. Go out, watch a movie, find a girlfriend, girls don't like freaks.:)

[Armenian]

Noone in Turkey understand this situation, people don't care about Armenians or Armenia or diaspora or else.
No One??? Hah. :laugh: I can show you over a dozen turds just within this forum that seem to "care" about what we Armenians think about your pimitive, filthy, backward, Asiatic squatters. Moreover, what does this say about you, my goat molesting turd? Do you "care" or are you just here to be annoying?

Turks are barbar, Armenians are European, etc.:)
This is the smartest thing you turds have said within this fourm as of yet. :)

However, we Armenians are simply Armenian. We are not European, we are not Middle Eastern and we are not Asiatic - unlike you. Nonetheless, we Armenians are an oassis of western culture within a region that has become a cesspool of Turkic Islam.

[cumanicus]

No One??? Hah. :laugh: I can show you over a dozen turds just within this forum that seem to "care" about what we Armenians think about your pimitive, filthy, backward, Asiatic squatters. Moreover, what does this say about you, my goat molesting turd? Do you "care" or are you just here to be annoying?


This is the smartest thing you turds have said within this fourm as of yet. :)

However, we Armenians are simply Armenian. We are not European, we are not Middle Eastern and we are not Asiatic - unlike you. Nonetheless, we Armenians are an oassis of western culture within a region that has become a cesspool of Turkic Islam.
Who are you, another freak?
Seriously,what is this obsession about Turks? Any historic event can explain this obsession, you guys are really behave like freaks.

[Armenian]

What the puck are there more turds within this forum than Armenians?

I have asked this question countless others times. I yet have to get an answer.

In the past, I thought weirdos such as Winoman attracted these turkic types, but there has to be more to it than just that.

[Fadix3]

Fadix, you posts full of swears and insults only show you more a childish freak, no one respect you if you behave like this little boy. Try to behave like a mature person and stop reading hundreds of conspiracy books about Turks and get a life. Go out, watch a movie, find a girlfriend, girls don't like freaks.:)

The last time I've cheched, you were the one in an Armenian forum. I'll make a wish the minute I read something of substance writen by you.

[Armenian]

Who are you, another freak?
Seriously,what is this obsession about Turks? Any historic event can explain this obsession, you guys are really behave like freaks.

OK, let me try this again:

Can you get the f*** out of here?

Can you siktir?

Can you gna kunvir?

Can you get lost?

Can you go to hell?

We spit on your faces you say its raining :laugh:

You are like a bunch of shameless little street bastards. We Armenians have nothing to discuss with filthy primitive squatters from Anatolia. Please get lost.

You primitive filth are like guests from hell.

We dont like you.

Leave, just leave.

[cumanicus]

OK, let me try this again:

Can you get the f*** out of here?

Can you siktir?

Can you gna kunvir?

Can you get lost?

Can you go to hell?

We spit on your faces you say its raining :laugh:

You are like a bunch of shameless little street bastards. We Armenians have nothing to discuss with filthy primitive squatters from Anatolia. Please get lost.

You primitive filth are like guests from hell.

We dont like you.

Leave, just leave.
Freak.:) :wave:

[Armenian]

Freak.:) :wave:

Thank you, now siktir :wave:

[skhara]

people don't care about Armenians or Armenia or diaspora or else

So what are you and the dozens of your compatriots that drop by here? Hypocrites? ;)

[AmerikanTurk]

Freak.:) :wave:

Have iqs in here suddenly dropped? Why is it necessary for these Armenians to resort to diarrhea-of-the-mouth whenever they are challenged with an opposing view-point? I am offended by just about every post in this thread, many of which should be removed by the moderator. Meanwhile, the Turks here are showing a great deal of restraint and class by not responding in kind, or at least not to the level of obsene vulgarity set forth by certain Armenian members. Please, if you want to propagate hate towards Turks or others, go to a NAZI or KKK forum. Most Turks are not here to antagonize or harrass Armenians, yet all Turks are painted with the same brush without exception. The smart Turks here know that the ones who foam at the mouth are the exceptions to the rest of the peace-loving Armenians here. Correct me if I am mistaken, because there is a deafening silence, when you should be reigning in the resident hate mongering racists.

[karoaper]

Have iqs in here suddenly dropped? Why is it necessary for these Armenians to resort to diarrhea-of-the-mouth whenever they are challenged with an opposing view-point? I am offended by just about every post in this thread, many of which should be removed by the moderator. Meanwhile, the Turks here are showing a great deal of restraint and class by not responding in kind, or at least not to the level of obsene vulgarity set forth by certain Armenian members. Please, if you want to propagate hate towards Turks or others, go to a NAZI or KKK forum. Most Turks are not here to antagonize or harrass Armenians, yet all Turks are painted with the same brush without exception. The smart Turks here know that the ones who foam at the mouth are the exceptions to the rest of the peace-loving Armenians here. Correct me if I am mistaken, because there is a deafening silence, when you should be reigning in the resident hate mongering racists.

Let me try to explain something to you. The second a turk logs on to this forum, he/she is already hanging by a thread. That's the way it is whether you like or not. This is because the majority of turks come here to share their opinion with us and the majority of us have very little patience for turkish opinion. This is also because most of us feel a repulsion from turks and turkey. That is not racism because (as I see it), racism is based on superficial factors, such as race. Our repulsion from turks is based on undenyable history.

If you can name 100 Armenians who have somehow harmed Turkey or Turks, we can name hundred thousand turks who have treated Armenians worse than most animals treat each other. Conversely, if we can name 10 turks (which I highly doubt) who have somehow benefited Armenian culture, art, science and/or Armenia in general, you can come up with hundres if not thousands of Armenians. I'm not talking about regular folks who along with other minorities made life in Turkey possible, I'm talking about famous doctors, scientists, artists, architects, etc. So, that's the story, we the Armenians have given and given to Turks (a big mistake as it turns out) and you the Turks have not only taken and taken but also showed your appreciation in form of massacre, theft and deportations. In addition to that even today Turkey is Armenia's enemy or is at least acting like one.

Ok, so I hope the big picture is coming out. Turks on this forum are a source of huge irritation and headache for us. Not all I must add. I liked that your didn't show up and start sharing your opinion. Maybe cause you don't have any or maybe you have enough sense to realize the stupidity of doing so. But all others are here to argue about something, whether it's about the Genocide or Armenia's "unhealthy" fascination with Turkey or some other bullxxxx. Little do they know that we'd rather hear the opinions of piss-drunk escimos than the opinions of turks just fresh off the propaganda train.

Finally, let me also tell you that if an Armenian got on this forum today and said that he'd like nothing more than to dump a nuclear bomb on Istanbul and Ankara, I would find it very un-Armenian to correct him or chastise him in public or in front of a Turk. OUR ALLEGIANCE IS WITH ARMENIANS. NOTHING AN ARMENIAN SAYS TO TURKS (AND VERY LITTLE HE DOES) WILL EVER MAKE ME TURN MY BACK ON HIM. There was a time when some of us were duped by Turks and in fact chose Turks over Armenians. As history proves we paid dearly for such mistakes.

[Thai-Samurai]

no come on guys, let's all have like adult discussions, let's talk about things. I don't want to hear any name calling, let's all be like cool with each other.

[KIlLLA]

I Think We Should Sponsor System Of Adown For Armenian Thug Life Dawg!!!
Hypnotize Nigga!!1!1

[cumanicus]

no come on guys, let's all have like adult discussions, let's talk about things. I don't want to hear any name calling, let's all be like cool with each other.
You can not demand to make a discussion like adults since Armenians are the ones who feel free to insult Turks. When Fadix and others sweared to me several times you keep silent and now suddenly you realized the importance of an adult discussion?

[cumanicus]

So what are you and the dozens of your compatriots that drop by here? Hypocrites? ;)
Come on Skhara, you know that this is not true. Turks are not obsessed with Armenians. And there is no another nation that is obsessed with another nation like you. And this really show you like freaks.
When a Turk surf at internet and findf this site it seems very interesting of course for us, take yourself to my position. You find a website of a nation and all members of this nation are continuously talking about Armenians, how veil, how bad, etc. they are. Don't you find it childish and funny and don't you write a reply? At my first post I was angry with Turks here because they do not apologise from the genocide. But then, your hatred freaks even started to attack to me and now I understand Turks here(by the way there are only 3-4 Turks in the forum)
You are not mature people to be able to discuss anything and it is very sad to observethat a nation is turning to a group of people that are mentally ill.

[Thai-Samurai]

oh come on, this is not turning into the adult discussion I had in mind, come on guys, let's all discuss like adults like. It takes two to tango and one to eat apple pie, so let's grow up a little.

[TomServo]

I Think We Should Sponsor System Of Adown For Armenian Thug Life Dawg!!!
Hypnotize Nigga!!1!1
You will be assimilated.

[TomServo]

I think Armenia needs more rainbows and bunnies. Less corruption would be good.

[TomServo]

Seriously though, when my friend was in Armenia, he told me that when his family saw some cop harassing a kid for some money he just made by selling something, they confronted the cop and made him give it back to the kid.

Haha, I remember when I was there, a cop pulled our taxi over and our driver said to the officer, "They're diasporans." And the cop just let us go.

[skhara]

You are not mature people to be able to discuss anything and it is very sad to observethat a nation is turning to a group of people that are mentally ill.

Armenians are in a position to critisize Armenians, you are not. Not on this forum. You'll get nothing but a hostile reaction when you do it here. If we are "mentally ill", our "mental illness" didn't just fall out of the sky. Moreover, it isn't even relevant.


At my first post I was angry with Turks here because they do not apologise from the genocide.

I don't know about others, but it would make 0 difference to me. There is a repetative question that I asked you on several different points throughout. One that you have no idea how to answer.

What's the relevance?

And to add, I don't whish any harm, illness, destruction on you. That has no relevance to me. When it comes to Turks I have a general indifference, and my concern is my own and how my own have to defend themselves against threats (all different kinds of threats). And how can you laugh at and poke fun of what I wrote above, when you have no way of getting inside my head, and have no way of seeing what I see and what I saw?

[cumanicus]

Armenians are in a position to critisize Armenians, you are not. Not on this forum. You'll get nothing but a hostile reaction when you do it here. If we are "mentally ill", our "mental illness" didn't just fall out of the sky. Moreover, it isn't even relevant.



I don't know about others, but it would make 0 difference to me. There is a repetative question that I asked you on several different points throughout. One that you have no idea how to answer.

What's the relevance?

And to add, I don't whish any harm, illness, destruction on you. That has no relevance to me. When it comes to Turks I have a general indifference, and my concern is my own and how my own have to defend themselves against threats (all different kinds of threats). And how can you laugh at and poke fun of what I wrote above, when you have no way of getting inside my head, and have no way of seeing what I see and what I saw?
I know that when I say the reality as a Turk, people will be reactionary. I don't expect any other behaviour from you. But just think about this pathological Turkish obsession issue when you are alone. ;)

[skhara]

Is this directed at me? I have much deeper thoughts when I'm alone.

[karoaper]

Is this directed at me? I have much deeper thoughts when I'm alone.

Why are you still awake man? Go to sleep.

[skhara]

Why are you still awake man? Go to sleep.

I'm still thinking. :)

Actually, I'm getting ready to go to work -- Got up early and now just killing time :).

[karoaper]

I'm still thinking. :)

Actually, I'm getting ready to go to work -- Got up early and now just killing time :).

Thinking about what? How to be less obsessed with Turks. Oh, I've tried to fight this unhealthy and sick obsession, but I failed miserably. Thankfully, cumanicus and others are here to help me work out my problems. :laugh:

I just saw a dream where Ataturk was chasing me on a wild turkey. I hope cumanicus can tell me what it means.

[Fadix3]

Have iqs in here suddenly dropped? Why is it necessary for these Armenians to resort to diarrhea-of-the-mouth whenever they are challenged with an opposing view-point? I am offended by just about every post in this thread, many of which should be removed by the moderator. Meanwhile, the Turks here are showing a great deal of restraint and class by not responding in kind, or at least not to the level of obsene vulgarity set forth by certain Armenian members. Please, if you want to propagate hate towards Turks or others, go to a NAZI or KKK forum. Most Turks are not here to antagonize or harrass Armenians, yet all Turks are painted with the same brush without exception. The smart Turks here know that the ones who foam at the mouth are the exceptions to the rest of the peace-loving Armenians here. Correct me if I am mistaken, because there is a deafening silence, when you should be reigning in the resident hate mongering racists.

I won't justify any hate message in anyway here. But the next time you will be trying to play the neutral judge, display some real judgement. Your boddy, which post you have answered, is one example of individual resorting to character assassination to answer 'a point of view.'

What do you expect by comming on an Armenian board, which the average age of people is probably between pre-maturity, and hardly above the adult age, if not playing with those you percieve being as mature as you are?

[skhara]

Thinking about what?

Sometimes the deepest thought one can have is nothing. Complete blankness.


I just saw a dream where Ataturk was chasing me on a wild turkey.

:laugh:


we'd rather hear the opinions of piss-drunk escimos than the opinions of turks just fresh off the

I definetly like hearing the opinions of piss-drunk eskimos, for the simple fact that I like hearing piss-drunk eskimos. :)

[AmerikanTurk]

I won't justify any hate message in anyway here. But the next time you will be trying to play the neutral judge, display some real judgement. Your boddy, which post you have answered, is one example of individual resorting to character assassination to answer 'a point of view.'

What do you expect by comming on an Armenian board, which the average age of people is probably between pre-maturity, and hardly above the adult age, if not playing with those you percieve being as mature as you are?

Thanks for weighing in. Speaking only for myself, I am not here in order to insult Armenians or to be insulted by Armenians. Many of you are antagonistic no matter what, there's no denying this. It's easy to hate and to attack everything that is unfamiliar to us, be it a culture, an ethnicity, a nationality, a history, or an anonymous contributor here. What we are hearing in one form or another, over and over and over again, is this: "WE HATE YOU- ADMIT GENOCIDE AND APOLOGIZE- (WE WILL STILL HATE YOU)"

Why would any Turk even TRY to care about your views? Needless to say, this mantra isn't the correct way to win the hearts and minds of any Turks who have the potential of taking a genuine interest in your side of the story. But then again, the Armenian lobby is really intended to convince everyone OTHER THAN Turks to recognize genocide.

The "Your enemy is my enemy" thinking runs rampant among all of Turkey's neighbors, rallying everyone to your cause adds more fuel to the fire. Blinding flash of the obvious.

Look, I am shooting from the hip here, just making personal observations from my own personal point of view. If I am going to be corrected, let's at least please stop insulting every living Turk because of the words of just one.

[cumanicus]

Dispora Armenians do not have a problem to communicate with Turks. It seems that they made Turkish hatred a national hobby and this became their national identity. They deel themselves as "morally superior" and they want to feel themselves as if they are part of the white westerners. And the combination of these two makes them a racist society.
It seems that there is no way to communicate with them in any way if you are a Turk.
This "Turks are asiatic barbarians and they genocided us, admit the genocide and go away we don't want to hear anything else" thing is turned into a national religion for them. If there is no Turkish notion in their lives they are afraid to assimilate and dissapear. This seem the reason why they boost the same stereotypic and racist arguments. I wonder what would happen if Turkey recognise the genocide.

[Fadix3]

Thanks for weighing in. Speaking only for myself, I am not here in order to insult Armenians or to be insulted by Armenians. Many of you are antagonistic no matter what, there's no denying this. It's easy to hate and to attack everything that is unfamiliar to us, be it a culture, an ethnicity, a nationality, a history, or an anonymous contributor here. What we are hearing in one form or another, over and over and over again, is this: "WE HATE YOU- ADMIT GENOCIDE AND APOLOGIZE- (WE WILL STILL HATE YOU)"

Why would any Turk even TRY to care about your views? Needless to say, this mantra isn't the correct way to win the hearts and minds of any Turks who have the potential of taking a genuine interest in your side of the story. But then again, the Armenian lobby is really intended to convince everyone OTHER THAN Turks to recognize genocide.

The "Your enemy is my enemy" thinking runs rampant among all of Turkey's neighbors, rallying everyone to your cause adds more fuel to the fire. Blinding flash of the obvious.

Look, I am shooting from the hip here, just making personal observations from my own personal point of view. If I am going to be corrected, let's at least please stop insulting every living Turk because of the words of just one.

My point was that the average age of the contributors of this forum is not that high. People come here to have some good time, and some racists can rant as much as they want by slandering who ever they want without being bothered by consequences.

This forum is not maintained by an organization or compagny that want to keep its reputation, it's some sort of Armenian virtual club where teens or young adults discuss about matters.

It is not true that there is no way to communicate with them if you are a Turk, let just say that there is a direct relation with your ability to communicate with them with the level of Turkishness you expose.

If you come in a forum, and talk about personal issues, people will forget your ethnicity, since you will come here as a person and not a Turk.

[cumanicus]

It is not true that there is no way to communicate with them if you are a Turk, let just say that there is a direct relation with your ability to communicate with them with the level of Turkishness you expose.

If you come in a forum, and talk about personal issues, people will forget your ethnicity, since you will come here as a person and not a Turk.
Fadix, you really try, but can not achieve to be a non-racist.:)

[TomServo]

What the puck are there more turds within this forum than Armenians?

I have asked this question countless others times. I yet have to get an answer.

In the past, I thought weirdos such as Winoman attracted these turkic types, but there has to be more to it than just that.
Then leave. You can post on Stormfront and the Nationalist Forum. :laugh:

[cumanicus]

There are only 3 Turks in the forum. Armenian, why don't you try to behave more wisely, this aggression show you like a bad person.:)

[Fadix3]

Fadix, you really try, but can not achieve to be a non-racist.:)

Salak, never tired with your character assassination? In this very same board I spent dozens of hours of my time in the past to support the thesis that there is no different races in the human species. I have two papers written about the non-applicability of the race concept.

Maybe, yes maybe, you should start thinking about your participation on this board, as well as considering that maybe, and again, maybe, I treat you the way I treat you because you are a m-oron an idiot and a s-uker and not because you are a Turk.

[winoman]

Yes Fadix - so true - I'm not calling this guy a lame brained idiot because he is Turkish - and you know as well as I that we have both encountered highly intelligent and in many cases highly informed Turks who can discuss issues decently and rationally - even if we disagree etc - but this guy is certaintly just an idiot and a troll. (BTW - I have argued similarly in this forum regarding the racial issues and have come out against the [Armenian] racsists here numerous times. Heh - I'm a "darkie" and proud of it - why shouldn't I be - anyway all this Ayran BS is equally as repulsive as all of this Turks are the greatest BS - etc

[cumanicus]

Is the best thing that wino thing and you only swearing?
Or does the reality hurts you that much?
You two are really interesting guys, I really just want to know how old are you.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Is the best thing that wino thing and you only swearing?
Or does the reality hurts you that much?
You two are really interesting guys, I really just want to know how old are you.

karakitap aren't you tired of repeating the same pish over and over again?

Everytime that i come here the only thing that i see from the vast majority of Turks is the same thing.

1st) They come in the beginning by acting as if they are good guys and they ''feeling our pain'' etc etc
2nd)They tell us to forget the past and move on etc etc
3rd) The true Turkish face is coming out accompanied by their gentle insults.

The fact is that you live in a fascist state that is shooting its own very citizens.Keepings them on purpose illiterate in order to have them under control.

Once again i saw on TV the infamous ''turkish hospitality'' in
Diyarbakir this time, when the police was beating once again the people, after murdering a turkish citizen the previous day.

Teachers beating the children in Istanbul yesterday.

Beating the Swiss football players because they kicked you out from the world cup.

So first go and fix your xxxx. Then tell your insignificant opinions to others.

Ultranationalist morons you were and ultrantionalist morons you shall remain.

[cumanicus]

karakitap aren't you tired of repeating the same pish over and over again?

Everytime that i come here the only thing that i see from the vast majority of Turks is the same thing.

1st) They come in the beginning by acting as if they are good guys and they ''feeling our pain'' etc etc
2nd)They tell us to forget the past and move on etc etc
3rd) The true Turkish face is coming out accompanied by their gentle insults.

The fact is that you live in a fascist state that is shooting its own very citizens.Keepings them on purpose illiterate in order to have them under control.

Once again i saw on TV the infamous ''turkish hospitality'' in
Diyarbakir this time, when the police was beating once again the people, after murdering a turkish citizen the previous day.

Teachers beating the children in Istanbul yesterday.

Beating the Swiss football players because they kicked you out from the world cup.

So first go and fix your xxxx. Then tell your insignificant opinions to others.

Ultranationalist morons you were and ultrantionalist morons you shall remain.
Karakitap :confused:
Why are you so ambitious to critisize our country instead of focusing to your country? Armenia is the state that is ruling with a facsist regime. You have a facsist government, you have no democracy, mafia is ruling your state, people are suffering from hunger, your women come to Istanbul for prostitution, you are unable to produce any thing, no economy, nothing. Let me give you an advice. Stop monitoring Turks, Turkey, stop your stupid obsession and try to focus to YOUR country instead of ours. I know that we, Turks are the most important thing of your miserable lives but try to recover and find yourself another hobby. :)

[cumanicus]

If you post messages about Turks INSTEAD OF Armenians, of course Turks will come and answer. If this is an Armenian forum, then talk about Armenians not about Turks. Because you seem so miserable in this way.

[Կարմիր Բ]

If you post messages about Turks INSTEAD OF Armenians, of course Turks will come and answer. If this is an Armenian forum, then talk about Armenians not about Turks. Because you seem so miserable in this way.


You should follow your own advices from time to time.