This is what Armenia needs

[Thai-Samurai]

HANRAPETUTYUN PARTY CITES GEORGIA AND UKRAINE TO JUSTIFY CHANGE OF POWER
YEREVAN, OCTOBER 24, ARMENPRESS: Aram Sarkisian, the chairman of Armenia's most radical opposition Hanrapetutyun (Republic) party, told a news conference today that his party's drive to unseat the incumbent regime is not to take revenge on separate individuals, but is ' a clash of interests."
Sarkisian denounced the current foreign policy, saying the best guarantee of security is to have at leas neighborly relations with neighboring countries.
He also argued that a change of power would result in drastic economic growth, citing the examples of neighboring Georgia whose budget has increased four times since the inception of president Saakashvili's administration and also of Ukraine where criminal cases were launched in privatization deals of around 1,200 enterprises, part of which will be auctioned again and another part nationalized.

Yeah that'll show the mafia, investigations into their dirty work.

[Anonymouse]

Armenia is looking more and more of a lost cause methinks.

[TJ]

Armenia is looking more and more of a lost cause methinks.

how can your nation be a lost cause? It will come around eventually as long as we all try do whats in our power. The question is when. Id like to think the 2008 Presidential elections would be something else. I am really hoping for this referendum to pass, as if it doesnt it will be at least another year before something else is drawn up and there is no guarantee it will be anything better, it can always be changed later, but we must take anything that is a step or two ahead at this point.

[TomServo]

What will the referendum do?

[axel]

HANRAPETUTYUN PARTY CITES GEORGIA AND UKRAINE TO JUSTIFY CHANGE OF POWER
YEREVAN, OCTOBER 24, ARMENPRESS: Aram Sarkisian, the chairman of Armenia's most radical opposition Hanrapetutyun (Republic) party, told a news conference today that his party's drive to unseat the incumbent regime is not to take revenge on separate individuals, but is ' a clash of interests."
Sarkisian denounced the current foreign policy, saying the best guarantee of security is to have at leas neighborly relations with neighboring countries.
He also argued that a change of power would result in drastic economic growth, citing the examples of neighboring Georgia whose budget has increased four times since the inception of president Saakashvili's administration and also of Ukraine where criminal cases were launched in privatization deals of around 1,200 enterprises, part of which will be auctioned again and another part nationalized.

Yeah that'll show the mafia, investigations into their dirty work.

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Georgians trained in Serbia

By Gayane Movsesian

Georgia is the first post-Soviet country where the power was changed according to a scenario written abroad. That scenario was first successfully tested in Yugoslavia in 2000.

"The Georgian score was played accurately and coordinated. It was written as early as three years ago in Yugoslavia," Nikolay Kovaliov, deputy chairman of the Russian State Duma's Security Committee and former Federal Security Service (FSS) director told the Vesti Nedeli program on the Russian TV. He said that his committee has conducted a study of the Georgian events, and has come to a conclusion that "the Georgian coup was prepared according to the Belgrade example."

"What happened in Georgia was not an accident," Kovaliov said. "As far as I know, the preparation was over in early Spring of 2003."
Kovaliov said the people, who were to do it, were trained in Serbian camps, 70 km off Belgrade. "They chose promising politicians who could help to carry out the 'velvet revolution.'"

He claimed the Russian special services know for sure where these camps are located and that the Georgian opposition leaders were "frequent guests" in Serbia. "Saakashvili was in Serbia for 6 months," Kovaliov mentioned. "He had visited the camps then." The first thing they are taught there is how to take the streets. Everything began exactly from the streets.

September 2000. Yugoslavia is electing a president. Opposition Kostunica gets 48% of the votes which is a lot more than those of incumbent Milosevic. But the opposition is not satisfied. Milosevic is accused of fraud, people are urged to leave their job sites and take it to the streets. Things get to a point when people demand that the president stepped down. An interesting coincidence: the deadlines of the ultimatums to Milosevic and Shevardnadze were set to 3 p.m. local time.

At least ten thousand armed police were standing against hundreds of thousands of protesters in the streets of Tbilisi. It looked like a clash could not be avoided. But as soon as the situation escalated, the law enforcers disappeared. They left like they were ordered to do so, though Shevardnadze vowed order would be restored.

The picture was the same in Belgrade with one exception: the police there managed to use batons and tear gas, and then left. Another 100 percent coincidence: the wrist, the symbol of the Serbian nationalists, was seen also in the streets of Tbilisi. It was used by the youth organization Kmara (Enough), whose activists did not conceal they had learned the struggle methods in Yugoslavia. Is there a need to speak of the similarities of taking the Georgian parliament and the Serbian Skubshchina? Shevardnadze resigns to avoid bloodshed. Milosevic did the same in 2000.

No country claimed the responsibility for that political scenario. But one thing is remarkable. US Ambassador to Georgia Richard Miles, who is called a gravedigger of regimes, served in Azerbaijan in 1992-1993, where his activities resulted in ouster of President Elchibey and return of Heydar Aliyev.

In 1996-1999 Miles was the US Ambassador to Yugoslavia. In March, 1999 the bombings began, in October, 2000 Milosevic is ousted, and then the federation collapses. Then, the US diplomat carries out fruitful activities in Bulgaria, making the former king of that country, Simeon the prime minister of Bulgaria in May, 2001.

Kovaliov believes these events are not coincidental, as well as emerging of camps near Belgrade. "The camps started to operate in 2002," Kovaliov said. "They are funded mainly by the United States through non-governmental organizations."

As early as in May, some members of the Georgian parliament were demanding that Miles left the country, accusing him of interfering with the internal affairs of Georgia, but Shevardnadze did not dare to argue with Washington.

How would he know that the US State Department, who welcomed Miles' talks with Saakashvili, Burjanadze and Zhvania, had decided to bet on them and send the "old fox" to the archive? True, back in summer, Shevardnadze accused international organizations of assisting his opponents. It was exactly in that period that the Georgian press published reports that the Soros fund has provided $500,000 to the Kmara, which led the students' protests on the streets of Tbilisi.

The Soros fund has also funded the opposition Rustavi-2 TV channel. The Canadian newspaper Globe and Mail claimed that Soros organizations' money was used to transport opposition members to Tbilisi, and a huge screen was placed in front of the parliament building for Shevardnadze's opponents.

More disturbing is the information that individuals from six CIS countries, including Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia and Azerbaijan, were also trained in the Serbian camps, according to Kovaliov said. These instructors participated in the Tbilisi events. Who was trained – or is trained currently – to carry out revolutionary scenarios, especially in Armenia and Azerbaijan? And what is the objective? Is it just to change the façade, or there are further-going goals?

One should not rule out a possibility that the same could have happened in Armenia during the 2003 elections, but it did not happen for several reasons.

The Armenian leadership explains the unlikelihood of the Georgian scenario in Armenia by the facts that the Armenian economy is in a better shape, the election results were announced on time, the international observers' statements did not contain phrases such as "the elections did not reflect the will of the people." The leader of the opposition National Democratic party and National Assembly member Shavarsh Kocharian says the Georgian situation will repeat in Armenia in four years, during the next parliamentary elections.

The Constitution forbids Robert Kocharian to run for the third term, and this means that the pro-government political parties will lose the person that united them in the 2003 election. There is no obvious leader in the opposition camp either, so a situation like in Georgia may emerge in Armenia, which, Shavarsh Kocharian thinks, would be very dangerous for Armenia; in such a situation both the authorities and the opposition count on the people.

Many political scientists believe no political party – be it opposition or neutral -- can speak on behalf of the people since no party has a social basis. Tiny Armenia is overloaded with political parties, or rather organizations that claim to be such. There is no ideological diversity or charismatic leaders. There is only one difference between them, some are pro-government, others oppositional, meaning the formers are ruling, the latter are trying to take their place.

http://www.yerkir.am/eng/index.php?s...ber=05&id=3173

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3288547.stm

[Thai-Samurai]

whats the point of that last post?

[axel]

what's the point of yours? presenting Georgia and Ukraine as examples to follow? they are not.

[Thai-Samurai]

the bold part; where the mafia was being criminally investigated.

[axel]

then you must be naive.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Actually the current Ukranian government,after the ''orange revolution'',is on the verge of collapse.

Poor Ukranians,they really thought they made something important by supporting Yushenko and his little rich xxxxx.

Armenia doesn't need any ''orange'' and ''rose'' revolutions.A revolution in our country would create an unnecessary instability.Revolution is the last option.Consider the fact that i am a communist as well and i say this.


What we need is democracy.That is because when a government is democratically elected ,it has the support of the people and consequently the foreign nations take you more seriously since they know they can't intervene in the country's internal affairs with their NGOs with the aim to create ''orange'' and ''rose'' revolutions whenever they disapprove your policy.

Anyway the way i see it, we need a ''Movement'' from the people.The people must organize themselves in the syndicates,create their own party and then elect it.

Of course they must do some other things as well but this is not the place to talk about it.