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    Bournoutian Tells the Great (and Not So Great) History of Tigran Metz
    By Andy Turpin

    BELMONT, Mass. (A.W.)-On May 5, historian George Bournoutian spoke at the
    National Association for Armenian Studies and Research (NAASR) about his
    most recent translation into English of Armenian historian Hakob H.
    Manandyan's (1873-1952) work Tigranes II and Rome.

    Manandyan's work is regarded as the first serious attempt to examine the 1st
    century B.C. monarch, without appealing to patriotic sentiments and with a
    grounding in Greek and Roman sources.

    NAASR director of programs and publications Marc A. Mamigonian introduced
    Bournoutian, saying, "He has spoken all over for us and logged many, many
    miles on NAASR's behalf. He is always interesting and entertaining as all of
    you will find out."

    Bournoutian began by giving context to Manandyan and his pioneering work in
    writing Armenian history during the Stalinist Soviet period behind the Iron
    Curtain. He explained that Manandyan's efforts were rare, since "Stalin did
    not like any nationalisms for Soviet minorities."

    Of Tigran the Great (also referred to as Tigranes II or, in Armenian,
    "Tigran Metz") Bournoutian said, "We Armenians only have one 'Great' and
    that's Tigran. Most of our dynasties were weak." He continued, "The
    Tigranian period was the greatest height of Armenian history."

    Of his translation and additional footnotes to Manandyan's work, he added,
    "My notes reflect the scholarship of 2007."

    Bournoutian continued, "Tigran Metz has only been studied in a very cursory
    fashion by those European scholars interested in the history of Rome and
    Pontus."

    "All of the European scholars relied heavily on highly inaccurate Roman
    sources that painted Tigran as a caricatured monster." Of the dubious and
    exaggerated nature of Roman sources, Bournoutian cited that the xxxish
    historian Flavius Josephus once said, "Even eyewitness accounts have
    tendencies to play up Roman victories."

    And always in Roman annals, and later the European works that pedestaled
    them, there was a total disregard for Greek, Pontic, and Armenian sources.
    Bournoutian said of these biases and derogations, "[The Romans] called the
    Eastern peoples 'dogs' in their fidelity. And Europeans viewed the whole
    area as a war between east and west."

    Of today's research, Bournoutian stated, "Most historians say that had the
    Greek and Armenians been allowed by Rome and Byzantium to build strong
    cities, it would not have allowed for later the conquests of the Arabs, the
    Mongols, and certainly not the Turks."

    With great enthusiasm Bournoutian told of the Parthian Persian empire at the
    time of Tigran and the role it played in shaping Armenian history. He
    stated, "Both cultures had common gods. Zoroastrianism was big. Hellenism
    and Hellenistic gods were big."

    He explained of the Armenian royal crown that Tigran brought into prominence
    and wore on his coinage during his reign, "It's unique. It looks different
    from all other crowns and is called the 'Armenian Tiara.'"

    Of the culture that pervaded during Tigran's reign, Bournoutian made very
    clear to myth-bust nationalist assumptions by stating, "Court was always in
    Greek-the language at that time was Greek!"

    However, he explained, what made Tigran unique was that "he minted his own
    coins with no Hellenistic goddesses on them-unheard of for that period."

    Of extreme importance to understanding the mentality and life of Tigran
    Metz, Bournoutian explained that as a teen Tigran became a royal hostage of
    the Persian court. He detailed that being a "royal" hostage is very
    different in treatment from simply being a hostage. Tigran was trained in
    Persian military techniques and education his whole adult life. The nobility
    hostage system was a comparatively civil institution in every empire of the
    period and ultimately its civility was its downfall. Noble hostages became
    so well versed in their enemy's tactics that inevitably it was almost always
    a former hostage that heralded the downfall of that horde by commanding
    armies against them with insider knowledge.

    Such was the case with Julius Caesar destroying the pirates of Cilicia that
    had held him; the downfall of Attila the Hun; and the defeat of the Ottoman
    forces by Vlad "Dracula" Tepes outside the Romanian city of Targoviste in
    1462.

    Bournoutian said of Tigran that when he was finally released from Persia as
    a hostage and free to be king in Armenia, "He was 45 years old. He had
    conceded 70 valleys in what is today Azerbaijan to Parthia to allow him to
    go home."

    Of what that geographical home actually was, Bournoutian said of Armenia's
    capital Tigranagert, "Diyarbekir [in present-day Turkey] is not Tigranagert.
    The site is actually at Silvan, very close to Diyarbekir."

    Armenia's stability relied heavily on royal alliances and, as with all royal
    politics, intrigue and deception was rampant. To secure his borders, Tigran,
    Bournoutian detailed, "married the daughter of the king of Pontus to cover
    his flank from the west."

    He also explained to quash false perceptions of Tigran as a one-woman family
    man that "Tigran was not Christian. He had a harem. He killed four of his
    boys-but with reasons, not because he was crazy."

    Tigran executed his eldest son for rebeling against Armenia and siding with
    Tigran's enemies in a bid for the crown. A younger, handicapped son was
    executed after he stole the crown from Tigran's head on a hunting trip and
    road to the capital proclaiming himself king as a lark. To save face, Tigran
    called for his death.

    Bournoutian explained, "You can't blame his eldest son though. He was
    restless. In a time when people didn't live past their 50s, Tigran was 75
    years old and refused to give up the crown. That's the problem with some of
    us, we don't know when to quit." Tigran reigned for another 10 years, until
    he was 85.

    Of Tigran's policies as a ruler, Bournoutian stated, "He brought new
    populations to Tigranagert, especially Greeks. Not just Greek-speaking
    peoples but real Greeks."

    He continued, "He needed non-Armenians in his kingdom because populations
    were not big in cities at that time. It would not do if someone inevitably
    invaded his capital and was able to take the king and all the Armenian
    people under control."

    Of Tigran's faults, Bournoutian noted that he married into the Pontic
    kingdom but did not back his wife's family when they were threatened by
    Rome. He said, "Rome could not tolerate a strong Armenia united with a
    strong Pontus. But Tigran's big mistake was that he tried to remain
    neutral."

    In the end, the famous Roman general Pompey used deceitful tactics to gain
    senate support to destroy Armenia and wage a long guerilla-war in Pontus on
    the pretense that Tigran had placed 15,000 Armenian soldiers on the Pontic
    border in a covert war alliance with the Greeks against Rome.

    In fact, those 15,000 Armenians were mercenaries for Pontus, unknown to and
    not commanded by Tigran. Bournoutian compared Pompey's trick to the tactics
    used by the Bush administration to gain approval to invade Iraq, but chided
    that had Tigran supported Pontus initially he would not have made himself
    vulnerable.

    Bournoutian ended by saying of Tigran's true character in history, "He was
    an emperor of his time, a strong king. But we cannot make him something he
    was not" through nationalism.

    A very mixed audience reaction followed Bournoutian's lecture. Many
    history-oriented members expressed overwhelming thanks to Bournoutian for
    his clear portrait, while others were more shaken. One attendee chimed that
    Tigran "must not even have been Armenian." Bournoutian assauged the crowd by
    explaining, "We've intermaried before! We've undergone the Greek Orthodox
    mass over the centuries, too. This does not mean these people were bad
    Armenians. It was a different time from today. Culture mixes. Art mixes."

    Another member asked Bournoutian to explain why at an earlier point he did
    not regard the early Urartian confederation as totally Armenian. Bournoutian
    answered, "Urartu was not an Armenian dynasty. It was not a kingdom, it was
    a confederation. And though it was in Armenia, there are almost no traces of
    the Armenian language," only Sumerian-Akkadian cunieform.

    Asked why such gaps exist in Urartian scholarship, Bournoutian stated
    plainly, "There are no jobs. We complain about there being no scholars, but
    we have no jobs to give them."


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    Re: Bournoutian Tells the Great (and Not So Great) History of Tigran Metz

    good read. Thank you.

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      Re: Bournoutian Tells the Great (and Not So Great) History of Tigran Metz

      Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
      Bournoutian Tells the Great (and Not So Great) History of Tigran Metz
      By Andy Turpin

      He also explained to quash false perceptions of Tigran as a one-woman family
      man that "Tigran was not Christian. He had a harem. He killed four of his
      boys-but with reasons, not because he was crazy."

      Tigran executed his eldest son for rebeling against Armenia and siding with
      Tigran's enemies in a bid for the crown. A younger, handicapped son was
      executed after he stole the crown from Tigran's head on a hunting trip and
      road to the capital proclaiming himself king as a lark. To save face, Tigran
      called for his death.
      I know some of you guys think Artak Movsissian is biased, but I believe his explanations are more logical than all these rotten fabricated beliefs. I love his weekly program on Հ1 and I warmly recommend every Armenian to watch it.

      One of his programs was dedicated to Tigran the Great and he convincingly rejected these killings of his sons especially the ridiculous hunting incident is pure hateful Roman fiction, totally impossible. What the hell was the crown doing on Tigran's head when he was hunting? Come on George, give me a fucking break!

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        Re: Bournoutian Tells the Great (and Not So Great) History of Tigran Metz

        Originally posted by Hellektor View Post
        I know some of you guys think Artak Movsissian is biased, but I believe his explanations are more logical than all these rotten fabricated beliefs.
        Armenian historians are considered to be "biased" only when they promote the Armenian line. As long as Armenian historians are self-hating (pompous asswipes like George Burnoutian and Richard Hovanisian) and willing to tow the foreign line about us Armenians, they are respected by psychotic assclowns in our diaspora - like the psychobabbling he/she, Siamanto

        I remember this Burnoutian character proudly predicting the collapse of the Armenian republic back in 1997-1998. He is also one of them idiots that insist Armenians originated in the Balkans and that the Urartian federation of kings were not Armenian.

        Toilet paper is worth more that the crap Burnoutian and Hovanisian produce.

        Artak is a fine historian. I have had the pleasure of seeing several of his documentaries.
        Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

        Նժդեհ


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          Re: Bournoutian Tells the Great (and Not So Great) History of Tigran Metz

          Originally posted by Armenian View Post
          Armenian historians are considered to be "biased" only when they promote the Armenian line.
          Agree 100%+.

          Has ANYBODY EVER heard a bad thing said against the blood drinking, man-eating, mass-murdering, genocidal savages like Tughril, Alp-Arslan, Chingiz, Teimur, etc. from any Turks, Jews or Anglos for that matter?

          They make glorifying movies about a murderous wolf in the shape of man Chingiz who exterminated half of the day's population of the civilized world and are short of getting Oscars from Jewcademy, yet we have ONE great king in our history and we have to smear him!

          It's so that history despises the term "IF", but we cannot resist the temptation to think for a minute if we had three or four Tigrans in decisive moments of our history, Turkey would never have existed today and Armenia would stretch from the Caspian to the Black Sea to the Mediterranean with a population of 30 million, a Switzerland + Japan in the middle of Asia. Alas and alack...

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            Re: Bournoutian Tells the Great (and Not So Great) History of Tigran Metz

            I really want to know why he thinks he's telling something new, if you're a little intrested in history of the clasical era you would know all he tells. What the xxxx has monogamy have to do with christianity, it's a roman greek thing. So if he as a historian doesn't know this why should the rest be true. And as Hellektor asked why was Tigranes wearing his crown when he was hunting, as you would know he would be hunting with his bow and arrow as most nobles of Persia and Armenia did in those days not with dogs or something. So if he was hunting in woods he would be on foot so why was he wearing a crown on foot while he was shooting with his arrows. Doesn't make sence does it. If me as an amature lover of history can find mistakes in his works I can't wait to see what real historians will do to him.

            Hellektor I love the history show on H1 it's great I watch when I can?

            And I've got a question as a history lover, what you have agaist gjengis? He was a great men who did things no men before him has done. He destroyed nations more powerfull than his own. Defeated the mightiest empire of his time and as a general he was superbe he took the mongolian hordes and formed them in too a real army and a nation. You have to give respect to a man who has done so much. I know he had no mercy but you don't become a legend with mercy. I wish we Armenians would learn a thing or two from him.

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