Question on genetics

[arakeretzig]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Also starting around 5th and 6th century mass exodus of Armenians leaving to go to Balkans. Armenian nobility taking all of their belongings which included the population and settling in the Balkans in Byzantine Land in order to escape Arab later on Turkish invasions. These exodus and later deportations of Armenians continued well into the 17th 18th century with Iran namely Shah Abaz taking large segment of Armenian population and settling them in Iran. We became minorities in our own homeland.

Not to mention those who left and went to build cilicia. Ani was destroyed and estimated 100,000 perished. Then mongols came and destroyed it again. And how many were assimilated into the ottoman turks. Their sons were taken and made soldiers etc. It was not until russia came to south caucus in begining of 19th century that our numbers started to pick up in eastern armenia. Now we have a golden chance because of the semi-stability to pick up numbers but its being wasted.

[ayrudzi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I might have mixed it up but during the Arab invasions didn't some arab leader gather large parts of Armenian nobility for a meeting and then just execute them all.

Yes you are correct. There is an actual date and name for the event but I cant remember. That event is very interesting, because it caused all of the Armenian nobles to unite. Before the event Arabs being the shrewd manipulators that they are understood the mentality and culture of the Armenian nobles, and played them off against each other. There were cases where different Armenian nobility would join the side of the Arabs against other Armenian nobles. I think the Arabs got too xxxxy and decided to put the nail in the coffin and invited the heads of all the noble families for a meeting at a church, once they arrived they locked them in the church and burned it. Well the news got out, and the younger sons of the noble families united like they had never united before and in the amount of just couple of years had defeated the Arab armies, and driven Arab settlers who had come to settle in Armenia in numbers out. In just a couple of years after uniting All of Armenia was free of Arab rule and kingdom was established.

[Etchmiadzin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Also starting around 5th and 6th century mass exodus of Armenians leaving to go to Balkans. Armenian nobility taking all of their belongings which included the population and settling in the Balkans in Byzantine Land in order to escape Arab later on Turkish invasions. These exodus and later deportations of Armenians continued well into the 17th 18th century with Iran namely Shah Abaz taking large segment of Armenian population and settling them in Iran. We became minorities in our own homeland.

I might have mixed it up but during the arab invasions didnt some arab leader gather large parts of armenian nobility for a meeting and then just execute them all.

[ayrudzi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Roman empire and Persia using Armenia as a battlefield with large standing armies eating all the food causing starvation for 10-20 years, destroying looting anything they can.

Also starting around 5th and 6th century mass exodus of Armenians leaving to go to Balkans. Armenian nobility taking all of their belongings which included the population and settling in the Balkans in Byzantine Land in order to escape Arab later on Turkish invasions. These exodus and later deportations of Armenians continued well into the 17th 18th century with Iran namely Shah Abaz taking large segment of Armenian population and settling them in Iran. We became minorities in our own homeland.

[Etchmiadzin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You are correct we were never able to hold large holdings outside of our homeland long enough for Armenianization of non Armenians to occur. However what is interesting for me is during Tigrans time Armenian population was roughly around 5 million which is similar to what Chinas population was at the same time period. Now we are around 8-10 mil China is 2 billion. Deaths and mass exodus has caused our numbers to shrink over centuries.

Roman empire and Persia using Armenia as a battlefield with large standing armies eating all the food causing starvation for 10-20 years, destroying looting anything they can.

[ayrudzi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

And what i wrote in the other post is IF Tigrans empire would have lasted longer or any other Armenian kingdom would have lasted long the non-Armenians would have been able to be absorbed by us increasing our population which would not have made us weaker in any way. Culture is more important than dna.

You are correct we were never able to hold large holdings outside of our homeland long enough for Armenianization of non Armenians to occur. However what is interesting for me is during Tigrans time Armenian population was roughly around 5 million which is similar to what Chinas population was at the same time period. Now we are around 8-10 mil China is 2 billion. Deaths and mass exodus has caused our numbers to shrink over centuries.

[Etchmiadzin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I was referring to the Armenian homeland , the Armenian Highlands. Of course the empire which included 1/3 of Iran and Syria all the way down into Judea the populations there are not Armenian. However the Armenian Highlands is, and there are DNA studies which prove that. You mentioning Tigran being married to a Greek is irrelevant, because admixture to show up with any significance among a group of people needs to be more than cases of individuals marrying foreigners. There has to be centuries of non Armenian dna pouring into Armenians to show up in our DNA which of course is not the case.

Look at the links I and Azat posted please those are scientific facts not opinions

And what i wrote in the other post is IF Tigrans empire would have lasted longer or any other Armenian kingdom would have lasted long the non-Armenians would have been able to be absorbed by us increasing our population which would not have made us weaker in any way. Culture is more important than dna.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

.. if believing you are some ancient 100% armenian pure breed makes you feel better go ahead it makes no difference.

Has nothing to do with 100% ancient. Studies have shown we have been the same people (overall) for the last 4000 some years. There is no "pure"! Just a fact that does not indicted some superiority. Having said that, genetics and religion have a large influence in the progress and well being of our existing global model.

[ayrudzi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You see that is the problem we will never be able to build a great country in the modern world, because the Armenian mentality is poisoned . There is a huge inferiority complex in Armenians ( not all but a significant amount ). I want everyone on this forum to look at their personal experience and tell me if there hasn't been events where drunk friends and/or relatives are having political talk around a table and how it is being mentioned that we are not capable, we need bigger powers to protect us, how we are cheaters and liers, ect... These types of talks are going on while there are young Armenian children present. Now Think of the mental and spiritual damage we are causing these young ones by basically saying he as an Armenian is not capable and needs bigger powers watching over him. These types of talks are always going around among the Armenian communities throughout the world. This slave mentality needs to be eradicated before we can ever achieve to build a great country in the modern world

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

How easily us Armenians swallow the propaganda of our enemies .

Talking of enemies, notice our beloved azeris opted not to be in a genetic study. Most likely they would have got 40% Iranic, 10% Armenian, 50% Equus africanus