Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

[Artashes]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

There is no reason to believe demographics won't change. We need to be able to not see things in the static. Look at what is currently happening in Syria, in Iraq in recent years. Lebanon was a Christian majority country at independence in 1943. At the moment of the recognition of Israel in 1948, half of the population in the designated j3wish section (modern israel) of the Palestine Mandate were Arabs. They were simply expelled during the mayham.


All of this is some idealistic scenario that may not even occur in our lifetime. The important part is being ready when the moment is there. And do I have any reservations about the expulsion of the people currently inhabiting Moosh, Taron, and Sassoun if they chose to not be royal to an Armenian nation? the same people who raped and murdered our people who had inhabited that land for 3,000 years? The same people who took little girls and turned them into their xxxxxs? who took little boys from orphanages and forced them to subsequently serve as infantry in the Armenian-Turkish war? I absolutely do not.


There is very little left of Armenian monuments in Western Armenia that hasn't been ruined already. What is left now Turkey is more sensitive to protecting because of the international attention. The only way these monuments and churches can ever be preserved is by return of them to their rightful owner: the Armenian Church. In the moment of massive events, you won't have to worry about people going to damage monuments, they'll have bigger concerns.

How do we populate that land? Currently Mongolia with 2.9 million people controls TEN TIMES more land than our ideal Unified Armenia would (Armenia/Artsakh+Nakhichevan+Javakh+Western Armenia). So I think we would manage .

Turkey can keep it recognition and it's reparation. No nation has ever given anything up, or admitted to any crimes, or paid any reparations without being on it's knees with a gun at it's head. Armenia should absolutely look to the east. However, Armenians should never forget, and we can never stop looking for the chance to retake what is rightfully ours, regardless of how much time passes.

Although I could quote many things in the two posts above by Mher, I'll leave it at one phrase, and simply suggest reading his two above posts.

-------------- (quote) -------- regardless of how much time passes ---------

Well said.

[londontsi]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

[Mher]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

I didn't mean that literally, its a national symbol, and more importantly, many Armenians use it to represent our ethnic group.

There is no way we would be able to control the area, many of the inhabitants are Turks, Azeris, or Kurds. No Armenians there, no support in the area for the state, and no way to put Armenians there again without committing genocide.




How do you suggest we preserve our cultural monuments, churches, and areas? Invade Turkey and have Bob The Builder restore everything? Turkey will not recognize the genocide, without immense international pressure, thats obvious. They really do not have to recognize the genocide, we can have a third party with the goal of preserving historical sites, set up an organization made to save those areas. Other than that, there really is no other way to guarantee the safety of what is left of our presence in the area.



And, how do you suggest we stop them, without cooperating with them like civilized human beings?

Van has a population of around 1 million people, Kars, 300,000. Not a single one is probably an Armenian, who speaks Armenian.

The Armenian state, is the Republic and Artsakh. Thats that. We are a small, densely populated nation, with little political and military power. How, in the name of fxxk, would we be able to 'regain' control of those lands? They no longer belong to us, they were stolen from us or given away. Receiving Ararat as a reparation, just the mountain, would be a blessing. "Igdir", well, it might actually be realistic, but you would see a mass migration of the population from the new territory to Turkey or you would see a brand new and very large Turk minority in Armenia.

Armenia's future is in the East, and Ararat as a reparation is not insane, and has been a realistic proposal



I never said we should forget and let go of what was ours, having a joint Armenian-Turkish commission with a goal of preservation and restoration is a way of keeping what was once ours. It doesn't have to be because of the genocide, it could be just for the sake of preserving and recording human history.



Artashes, I am glad you are not a politician. If you were, Armenia would be in deep trouble with the UN and Human Rights Watch

There is no reason to believe demographics won't change. We need to be able to not see things in the static. Look at what is currently happening in Syria, in Iraq in recent years. Lebanon was a Christian majority country at independence in 1943. At the moment of the recognition of Israel in 1948, half of the population in the designated j3wish section (modern israel) of the Palestine Mandate were Arabs. They were simply expelled during the mayham.


All of this is some idealistic scenario that may not even occur in our lifetime. The important part is being ready when the moment is there. And do I have any reservations about the expulsion of the people currently inhabiting Moosh, Taron, and Sassoun if they chose to not be royal to an Armenian nation? the same people who raped and murdered our people who had inhabited that land for 3,000 years? The same people who took little girls and turned them into their xxxxxs? who took little boys from orphanages and forced them to subsequently serve as infantry in the Armenian-Turkish war? I absolutely do not.


There is very little left of Armenian monuments in Western Armenia that hasn't been ruined already. What is left now Turkey is more sensitive to protecting because of the international attention. The only way these monuments and churches can ever be preserved is by return of them to their rightful owner: the Armenian Church. In the moment of massive events, you won't have to worry about people going to damage monuments, they'll have bigger concerns.

How do we populate that land? Currently Mongolia with 2.9 million people controls TEN TIMES more land than our ideal Unified Armenia would (Armenia/Artsakh+Nakhichevan+Javakh+Western Armenia). So I think we would manage .

Turkey can keep it recognition and it's reparation. No nation has ever given anything up, or admitted to any crimes, or paid any reparations without being on it's knees with a gun at it's head. Armenia should absolutely look to the east. However, Armenians should never forget, and we can never stop looking for the chance to retake what is rightfully ours, regardless of how much time passes.

[Artashes]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

That's your opinion,and I find it as worthless as Mher found it.

[Chubs]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

For practically all of the past three thousand years the Armenian Highlands have been inhabited by Armenians. over two thousand years before anyone had heard of a Turk. Just because we have not had access to them for the past century, we should forget three thousand years of history? Armenians are form Ararat? the most historic cities like Sassoun, Taron, and Ani are nowhere near Ararat.

I didn't mean that literally, its a national symbol, and more importantly, many Armenians use it to represent our ethnic group.

There is no way we would be able to control the area, many of the inhabitants are Turks, Azeris, or Kurds. No Armenians there, no support in the area for the state, and no way to put Armenians there again without committing genocide.

maybe you should work on that commission while turkish soldiers take some more target practice on armenian churches, or what's left of them after they have been looted, shot at, and converted to bathrooms and stables. Forget reparation and recognition. In history of human existence, no nation or empire has willingly given up land because they felt guilty. It is the biggest insult for you or anyone to suggest that Armenians should sit down and hope the Turks agree to stop desecrating what they stole.

How do you suggest we preserve our cultural monuments, churches, and areas? Invade Turkey and have Bob The Builder restore everything? Turkey will not recognize the genocide, without immense international pressure, thats obvious. They really do not have to recognize the genocide, we can have a third party with the goal of preserving historical sites, set up an organization made to save those areas. Other than that, there really is no other way to guarantee the safety of what is left of our presence in the area.

maybe you should work on that commission while turkish soldiers take some more target practice on armenian churches, or what's left of them after they have been looted, shot at, and converted to bathrooms and stables. Forget reparation and recognition. In history of human existence, no nation or empire has willingly given up land because they felt guilty. It is the biggest insult for you or anyone to suggest that Armenians should sit down and hope the Turks agree to stop desecrating what they stole.

And, how do you suggest we stop them, without cooperating with them like civilized human beings?

Van has a population of around 1 million people, Kars, 300,000. Not a single one is probably an Armenian, who speaks Armenian.

The Armenian state, is the Republic and Artsakh. Thats that. We are a small, densely populated nation, with little political and military power. How, in the name of fxxk, would we be able to 'regain' control of those lands? They no longer belong to us, they were stolen from us or given away. Receiving Ararat as a reparation, just the mountain, would be a blessing. "Igdir", well, it might actually be realistic, but you would see a mass migration of the population from the new territory to Turkey or you would see a brand new and very large Turk minority in Armenia.

Armenia's future is in the East, and Ararat as a reparation is not insane, and has been a realistic proposal

Many Armenians demand a restoration of the Turkish-Armenian border as demarcated by former United States President Woodrow Wilson in the 1920 Treaty of Sèvres, and a hefty amount of cash reparations.[15] Some demand a land corridor between Armenia and the Black Sea in order to ensure the long-term viability of the Armenian state, while others only want the symbolic inclusion of Mount Ararat in Armenia and a formal apology by Turkey.[15] Ümit Kardaş, a retired Turkish military judge, proposes the unconditional opening of the Turkish-Armenian border, as well as an invitation by the Turkish state to all Armenians living in the diaspora to settle in their ancestral lands in Turkey.[16]

I never said we should forget and let go of what was ours, having a joint Armenian-Turkish commission with a goal of preservation and restoration is a way of keeping what was once ours. It doesn't have to be because of the genocide, it could be just for the sake of preserving and recording human history.



Artashes, I am glad you are not a politician. If you were, Armenia would be in deep trouble with the UN and Human Rights Watch

[Artashes]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

I am not on facebook but that sucks......We must hack back.

We never give up and never forget.
I like to say:
The road to Western Armenia is through the East.....if you get what I mean.

---- the road to western Armenia is through the east ---
Not the first time Eddo has said that.
I agree 100%.
Again, if I may quote Eddo ... The only time I would go to Anatolia, is to liberate our (Armenia's) stolen lands.
I agree 100%.
Your second post boy had niether substance (none) nor merit (zero).
For all to see, niether of the two posts by the witless wonder had anything at all to do with the topic of the thread or the foul things posted by the hacker.
Nothing whatsoever.
Your substitution of a character attack for an reasonable argument shows a distinct lack of both intellect and character.
------ the road to the liberation of western Armenia is through the east -----
The heartless murdering hominoids (turcee) & their thieving murderous kurd assistors (voluntary assistance) stole by murder and torture land that did not, and does not belong to them.
It is not ethnic cleansing to evict a thief or their offspring from land acquired by murdering the rightful and just occupants..
What the turc & kurd did was ethnic cleansing of the indigenous heirs of the land.
What we do when we take back --- ANY --- of our lands is called **** JUSTICE ****.
Any rightfully so.

Read the title of this thread.
Go to the hacked Facebook site and read (all) the comments about Armenians posted. Comments such as ... The pleasure of murdering Armenians and torturing them & the willingness to do it again, etc, etc, ...
Now read post #2.
Not one word of disgust for the hacker or the commentary of the foul hominoid, (but) instead, one sees post #2.

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Armenians of Glendale California , have no intention of (conquering) LOL California.
Non of us would say that to our American compatriots.
That is not our intention, and never was.
We help strength America by hard , honest, industrious work.
Glendale is one of the most peaceful communities of its size in the country. In large part because of the honest and friendly large Armenian presence.

[Mher]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

Armenians need to stop it with the Western Armenia BS, no more Armenians live there. Are you planning on waiting another 100 years for the toorks to recognize their crimes, and then demand those lands back? With the intent to ethnically cleanse the people living there, and colonize it again? Im pretty sure Thats absurd, borders and kingdoms change, the only part of Armenia we should we recieve as reparations is Ararat, where our people are from. Western Armenia is gone, be realistic. If they do recognize it, then we set up a joint commission with them for the preservation of ancient sites and rename the provinces.

wait for them to recognize it? if they recognize it? joint commission? the only part we should receive is ararat where our people are from?

maybe you should work on that commission while turkish soldiers take some more target practice on armenian churches, or what's left of them after they have been looted, shot at, and converted to bathrooms and stables. Forget reparation and recognition. In history of human existence, no nation or empire has willingly given up land because they felt guilty. It is the biggest insult for you or anyone to suggest that Armenians should sit down and hope the Turks agree to stop desecrating what they stole.

For practically all of the past three thousand years the Armenian Highlands have been inhabited by Armenians. over two thousand years before anyone had heard of a Turk. Just because we have not had access to them for the past century, we should forget three thousand years of history? Armenians are form Ararat? the most historic cities like Sassoun, Taron, and Ani are nowhere near Ararat.

No doubt our focus should be to the East, because that is more realistic relative to our national strength at the moment, but that doesn't require forgetting or giving up on what is ours. dynamics change rapidly, and nations rise and fall. It is in no way unrealistic to believe that in our lifetime the correct variable may line up to allow Armenia to regain control of what is our most important lands.

30 years ago the Kurds were nationless, oppressed everywhere, and the only war they were fighting was against each other. Now they have their own country in Iraq, and will most likely have the same in Syria. Turkey isn't far behind.

Read this thread
http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....estern-Armenia

[Chubs]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

----- armeniaians need to stop with their "bs" |||| not bs, that's your opinion.
----- BECAUSE, *** no more Armenians live their *** your right about no more Armenians live their. They were murdered & tortured a mere 100 years ago there.
Removing the murdering thieves & their offspring from stolen lands is not ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is what happened to the Armenians & others who traditionally lived there before they were murdered & tortured. You've got that 180 degrees backward. In fact that is a verbatim turc argument.
Criminals have no legal claim or right to stolen property.


100% agree on both accounts.
(1) we never give up (and) never forget.
(2) thump the eastern turcees, free the Talish & Udis, punch a border to Russia, take back Nakijivan, then the road to the west.

Please tell me, you are fxxxing trolling.

That post is too ridiculous to be real, please. lmao. Obvious troll is obvious

[Artashes]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

Read the title of this thread.
Go to the hacked Facebook site and read (all) the comments about Armenians posted. Comments such as ... The pleasure of murdering Armenians and torturing them & the willingness to do it again, etc, etc, ...
Now read post #2.
Not one word of disgust for the hacker or the commentary of the foul hominoid, (but) instead, one sees post #2.

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Armenians of Glendale California , have no intention of (conquering) LOL California.
Non of us would say that to our American compatriots.
That is not our intention, and never was.
We help strength America by hard , honest, industrious work.
Glendale is one of the most peaceful communities of its size in the country. In large part because of the honest and friendly large Armenian presence.

[Artashes]

Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

Armenians need to stop it with the Western Armenia BS, no more Armenians live there. Are you planning on waiting another 100 years for the toorks to recognize their crimes, and then demand those lands back? With the intent to ethnically cleanse the people living there, and colonize it again? Im pretty sure Thats absurd, borders and kingdoms change, the only part of Armenia we should we recieve as reparations is Ararat, where our people are from. Western Armenia is gone, be realistic. If they do recognize it, then we set up a joint commission with them for the preservation of ancient sites and rename the provinces.

----- armeniaians need to stop with their "bs" |||| not bs, that's your opinion.
----- BECAUSE, *** no more Armenians live their *** your right about no more Armenians live their. They were murdered & tortured a mere 100 years ago there.
Removing the murdering thieves & their offspring from stolen lands is not ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is what happened to the Armenians & others who traditionally lived there before they were murdered & tortured. You've got that 180 degrees backward. In fact that is a verbatim turc argument.
Criminals have no legal claim or right to stolen property.

I am not on facebook but that sucks......We must hack back.

We never give up and never forget.
I like to say:
The road to Western Armenia is through the East.....if you get what I mean.

100% agree on both accounts.
(1) we never give up (and) never forget.
(2) thump the eastern turcees, free the Talish & Udis, punch a border to Russia, take back Nakijivan, then the road to the west.