Armenian Highlands: the birth place of civilization

[skhara]

"No dogs or Armenians allowed".

Karo, was this on the news somewhere. I've never heard it.

[bell-the-cat]

We Armenian have claimed for a long time that proto-Indo-European tribes originated in the geographical region called Historic Armenia.

"We Armenian"? Are you starting to use the royal "we".

OK, serious now. You wrote:

I, moreover, claim that human civilization first emerged within the same geographical region in question as well. Nonetheless, I am not trying to claim credit as an Armenian. I know full well that nations, as we know them today, did not exist back then. The Armenian nation, as we know it today, only began to form during the classical period.

All of which seems fair, but then you spoil it by adding:

However, we Armenians are the direct decendants of those ancient aboriginals of the Armenian Highlands that gave birth to human civilization and the proto-Indo-European language.

And thus descend into some nationalistic fantasy that would do Ataturk proud.

Indo-Europeans and human civilization, emerged from within Asia Minor/Caucaus. That is my point.

I beg to differ, that is not your point. Your point is:

Yet again proving that the ancient Aryans originated within the Armenian Highlands. Yes, three thousand years before Christ, that is, two thousand years before the time when Indo-European Armenians were supposed to have enter the region via Thrace - according to Euromorons, J-e-w-s and some low lives within the Armenian community.

However, of course, it is perfectly possible for both to be true, or for neither. The migratory pattern of Ayran nations would, according to some theories, make the Gordion knot appear like a mere bow-tie.

[Armenian]

"We Armenian"? Are you starting to use the royal "we".

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You just 'had' to use your flat English wit, didn't you.

OK, serious now. You wrote:

All of which seems fair, but then you spoil it by adding: And thus descend into some nationalistic fantasy that would do Ataturk proud.

No dingbat, it would give Ataturk nightmares.

If Atatuk's claims had any scholarly value, I would not attack it. On the other hand, everything I state I can back up with scientific evidence (archeological, anthropological, theological, folkloric, linguistic) from Armenian and non-Armenian sources.

For decades we have been force-fed absurd fairytales coming out of Europe and your Island, its time to put the real historic value of the Armenian Highlands back on to the international stage.

The migratory pattern of Ayran nations would, according to some theories, make the Gordion knot appear like a mere bow-tie.

The bottom line is, the oldest settlements yet found of so-called Aryans are within Asia Minor/Caucasus.

More and more linguists are now coming to the realization that the Proto-Indo-European language did indeed originate within Asia Minor/Caucasus.

More and more people are coming to the realization that the Armenian nation is native to Asia Minor and Caucasus.

Again, we are the surviving remnants of the great ancients such as Hittites, Hurrians, Urartians, the Haik and Ar-mens. If you oppose this claim of mine, then your opposition is merely based upopn your 'personal' problem with the matter and has nothing to do with the actual facts that corroborate my claims.

Again, I am not claiming personal credit, as an Armenian, for any of the great accomplishments of the proto-Armenian tribes of the ancient world, its simply your profound jealousy and 'Island' paranoia that is making you see Ataturk in me.

I tell you what catman, I will debate you word-for-word anything found within Ataturk's Sun theory and prove to you that its merely a fantasy. The so-called "Sun Theory" has no scholarly value what so ever, its simply a by-product of an insecure nation looking for belonging within the world. Concurrently, I will go over with you word-for-word, all of the proof that exists regarding my claims about the Armenian Highlands. Armenia's (the geographical location's) prehistoric cultural legacy is open for all to see, that is if they have eyes and at least half of brain.

Read my numerous posts within the thread I posted earlier with objectivity and an open mind. And stop your flat English humor.

Cheerio

[skhara]

Read my numerous posts within the thread I posted earlier with objectivity and an open mind. And stop your flat English humor.

I thought Brits are supposed to be funny.

Anyone heard this before?

Q: What is the defenition of European heaven?
A: French food, German technology, British humor.

Q: What is the definition of European hell?
A: German humor, French technology, British food.

[karoaper]

Karo, was this on the news somewhere. I've never heard it.

Not really and I don't think it was in modern times. It's something that was reported years back while I was still in Armenian. But, if you've seen Mayrik by Henri Verneuil, you'll know what I mean.

[karoaper]

I thought Brits are supposed to be funny.

Anyone heard this before?

Q: What is the defenition of European heaven?
A: French food, German technology, British humor.

Q: What is the definition of European hell?
A: German humor, French technology, British food.

Charlie Chaplin, Monty Python, etc. These are good. One thing though is if it's not silly slapstick, it's pretty dry.

[skhara]

Not really and I don't think it was in modern times. It's something that was reported years back while I was still in Armenian. But, if you've seen Mayrik by Henri Verneuil, you'll know what I mean.

No I have not seen the film, but I googled about it since you mentioned it. As I understand it is a film about an Armenian family that fled the genocide to France, correct?

[karoaper]

No I have not seen the film, but I googled about it since you mentioned it. As I understand it is a film about an Armenian family that fled the genocide to France, correct?

Great film. I've been told that the book is much better. It is about that yeah. It was the ultimate double whammy. People flee their homes as they loose their loved ones and end in a country that welcomes them, but are treated by the citizens as second class citizens.

I'd be curious to learn how the survivors were treated in Europe as compared to Greece/Cyprus and Middle East.

[bell-the-cat]

I'd be curious to learn how the survivors were treated in Europe as compared to Greece/Cyprus and Middle East.

A glance at some of the French "Maigret" detective novels from the 1940s and 50s would give you a picture of treatment in France (unless you happened to be rich). And you can bet that French police haven't changed one jot, except now it is North African immigrants they abuse and heap their contempt on, rather than Armenian immigrants.

[skhara]

People flee their homes as they loose their loved ones and end in a country that welcomes them, but are treated by the citizens as second class citizens.

Well Karo,

When I googled the film, I saw that some of the actors playing Armenians in the film were French and Spanish (something to think about).

Also, these people were fresh immigrants and likely not the only Armenian family that fled to France. In fact, at the time, I would assume that the Armenian migrants were fairly visible right?

Now think about history for a minute, and the American immigration in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Italians, Irish, Poles, and others, were discriminated against when their migrations waves were landing on the east coast. It seems that discrimination against immigrants is a pretty common phenomenon and it typically disappears when the people become integrated.

So I really can't imagine that French anything would be targetting Armenians. Armenians in France are pretty "Frenchified", integrated, and are easily pointed out only by their last names.

Look at it this way, no one is immigrating to Armenia, but what if they were, don't you think they would face discrimination from the local Armenians? Would it have anything to do with White Nationalists, or would it be a fairly typical reaction?