Origins of the name Yerevan

[Shahanshah]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

Guys if you havent noticed, no one takes Turkish historians seriously, because they dont research history, they work on historical revisionism.

Turkish historians have made such outrageous claims as the Etruscans, Parthians, Sumerians, Scythians, being Turks, Napoleon being Turks, etc...

No one takes them seriously, their "academics" are amateurs really.

I might also add that this is by no means the fault of the Turkish people. They have been brainwashed by nationalism and pan Turkism since the early 1900's when that stuff really became popular in the Ottoman Empire.

The Turkish people are a victim of this historical revisionism themselves, because it makes them look ridiculous in the face of real scholarship.

I'm not trying to insult Turkey or the Turkish people, I'm just giving some background information here.

[gayane]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

The first name of Yerevan is Erebuni. It was Urartian castle which was built by Argisti I., who is Urartian king.

Some people from Hate and Supani countries were localized in Erebuni, so Hate's people is the first inhabitants in Erebuni. Hate's people were Late Hittites.

[mancusun]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

Wow - that beauty almost beats the 'Bitlis' = 'Bad Lis' name origin explanation!

Batlamyus => Bitlis , He was the founder of the city.

[sloanie08]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

In fact, Armenia was used and is still used. . Whatever we say, Turks conquered us, because they are stronger. We are just vassals.

[dizdar]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..

how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

I cant understand, A nation or a race who had never battled for a thousand year, could start a war to another race who had been battling for a thousand year and When the war was over and the minority was defeated, Some of them called this a "genocide" , because they dont know the meaning of war as they hadn't battled for a thousand year and Noone said them one can die in a war but it can't be called as a "genocide",but They dont know exactly the definition of a Genocide.

And what a disgusting world that France who gave some armenian bands France military uniforms in Adana,Urfa,Maraş once upon a time and is respoınsible for this battle, now again use armenians as in the past but different style (for 380 thousand of votes) And some armenians dont disturb to being used by France as in the past by imperialism.

and what a prejudice is this that these armenians abstracted from real world, dont know anything about the armenians who live in Turkey now,in contrast they only use of their imagination.

[Siamanto]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

...when you encounter any argumentation, regardless if they are nonsense or not, in other forums you must take for granted that there would be some people with no prior knowledge about this and they will take this as valid argumentation. That's why most I think that the majority of this arguments must not go unchallenged.

Nevertheless, I don't put to much energy and time in arguing with this kind of people (not that it requires that much efforts to prove them wrong in front of all), with letting them go unchallenged is a dangerous risk wich I don't think one should take lightly.

You have a good point, it's just sometimes their "arguments" are so absurd and ridiculous.
As long as it's not taking too much of your time or energy.

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PS. Plus that it's quite fun and entertaining to push these people to reveal the most amazing facts about the educational system in which they have been brought up in.

I see what you mean, but their mental world and mindset are so raw and primitive that their reactions are a bit plain, simplistic and predictable.

[platana]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..

Yes,but it disturb them, realities always disturb them

how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

they are the one about prejudice and grudge.They have confirmed this in France Bill.They cant put up with even just one opposite opinion. it is one of the features of diaspora.

[gmd]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

I have seen this kind of remark on other forums as well from Turks. What is the basis of this? The Turkish republic has had a history of forced assimilation of non-Turkish citizens. Kurds your largest minority were not allowed to legally speak their own language until 1991. Can you provide some valid examples of Turks loving anyone who does not aspire to be Turkish?

[RSNATION]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

This is why you don't know your own country's history: The Armenian plateau (Armenia Major including Western Armenia and present Republic of Armenia) was conquered by the Seljuks in about year 1000. But you conviniently forget is the Armenian kingdom of Cilicia which was a power to reckon on (1187 - 1375) and the smal fact that the Ottomans did not conquer the entire Armenia until late 16th century. Now, as far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) it's 2006 now, right? So 2000 - 1600 = 400.

Moreover, treating the Armenians as slaves and low class subjects is not living in "peace and safety". You're looking at "history" from the oppressor's point of view (and even that view is not close to the truth)




Interesting that you mentioned this: you're right, Armenians should be as subjective as anyone else. BUT, if you take a look at the source references stated in our text at http://www.armenica.org then you should (maybe you can't, but you should) see that we have:

"1100 references written by about 280 different authors, researcher, politicians and travellers (four of these are Armenians, while the rest represent about 20 diffenrent nationalities from 3 different continents)"

http://www.armenica.org/about.html

On the other hand when I read the Turkish version of the "history", all I find is Turkish historians and Justin McCarthy. Can you see where I'm going with this or should I explain more?





I love when you lay up this kind of free points...

1) Please get a map of Turkey where you can see the neighbours (any map will do).

2) Take a look at the neighbours and I'll personally pay you $100 for every "friendly" neighbours that Turkey has (excluding the Turksih cousins in Azerbaijan, since they would tend to commit perjury in this matter). There are 8 neighbours (well 7 that count):

A) Armenia: well, you know...
B) Greece: second to Armenia in the "unfriendly" scale
C) Iran: the frostly relations go back to the Ottoman empire, and are as unsincerely as they were in the 18th century
D) Cyprus: See B
E) Iraq: The issues of Kurds in northern Iraq is a reason for invasion of norhtern Iraq than anything else
F) Syria: if we disregard the other deeper historical and current political differencies, the Turkish projects of cutting the water supply of Syria by building dams on Euphrates is not what I call "loving your neighbour"
G) Georgia: the only non-Turkish country which could make me owe you $100, but even here the "friendship" with Turkey is more due to the fact that they have nowhere to turn to. Georgia does what they back in WWI when they suddenly abandoned the allies and joined the Central Power to secure German protection against the Russians and the imminent Turkish invasion.


This is far far away from the topic of this thread and I won't vaste anymore time. I suggest that you go and get a proper, non-Turkish-written history book and read your country's history and click around in the Internet and read about Turkey's relations with its neighbours.

Back to the "Origins of the name Yerevan"...

Bravo Armenica!!!!

[armenica]

Re: Origins of the name Yerevan

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..

This is why you don't know your own country's history: The Armenian plateau (Armenia Major including Western Armenia and present Republic of Armenia) was conquered by the Seljuks in about year 1000. But you conviniently forget is the Armenian kingdom of Cilicia which was a power to reckon on (1187 - 1375) and the smal fact that the Ottomans did not conquer the entire Armenia until late 16th century. Now, as far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) it's 2006 now, right? So 2000 - 1600 = 400.

Moreover, treating the Armenians as slaves and low class subjects is not living in "peace and safety". You're looking at "history" from the oppressor's point of view (and even that view is not close to the truth)

how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?

Interesting that you mentioned this: you're right, Armenians should be as subjective as anyone else. BUT, if you take a look at the source references stated in our text at http://www.armenica.org then you should (maybe you can't, but you should) see that we have:

"1100 references written by about 280 different authors, researcher, politicians and travellers (four of these are Armenians, while the rest represent about 20 diffenrent nationalities from 3 different continents)"

http://www.armenica.org/about.html

On the other hand when I read the Turkish version of the "history", all I find is Turkish historians and Justin McCarthy. Can you see where I'm going with this or should I explain more?

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

I love when you lay up this kind of free points...

1) Please get a map of Turkey where you can see the neighbours (any map will do).

2) Take a look at the neighbours and I'll personally pay you $100 for every "friendly" neighbours that Turkey has (excluding the Turksih cousins in Azerbaijan, since they would tend to commit perjury in this matter). There are 8 neighbours (well 7 that count):

A) Armenia: well, you know...
B) Greece: second to Armenia in the "unfriendly" scale
C) Iran: the frostly relations go back to the Ottoman empire, and are as unsincerely as they were in the 18th century
D) Cyprus: See B
E) Iraq: The issues of Kurds in northern Iraq is a reason for invasion of norhtern Iraq than anything else
F) Syria: if we disregard the other deeper historical and current political differencies, the Turkish projects of cutting the water supply of Syria by building dams on Euphrates is not what I call "loving your neighbour"
G) Georgia: the only non-Turkish country which could make me owe you $100, but even here the "friendship" with Turkey is more due to the fact that they have nowhere to turn to. Georgia does what they back in WWI when they suddenly abandoned the allies and joined the Central Power to secure German protection against the Russians and the imminent Turkish invasion.


This is far far away from the topic of this thread and I won't vaste anymore time. I suggest that you go and get a proper, non-Turkish-written history book and read your country's history and click around in the Internet and read about Turkey's relations with its neighbours.

Back to the "Origins of the name Yerevan"...